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Franklin exposed; impact for Pitt

paulbl99, So what if they had beaten Temple? What does it really matter in the big scheme of things. PSU sucks this year and they will be a horrible team to watch regardless if they win 4 or 8.
He should take his returning starters and players moving up in class and field a team no worse than last yr (actually better) if he is as good as his yapping BigMouth would indicate.

It really isn't that hard
 
LMAO! So is Derek Mason going to take them further?

NOBODY can take Vandy further. Nobody ever has in the modern era. It won't be done in our lifetime. Take that to the bank. It is impossible to have any sustained success at Vanderbilt. Its also impossible to win at a high level. It will never be done.
5 years ago, EVERYONE said Duke would never be competitive. How is Vandy worse than Duke??? Duke is more of a hoops school.....Vandy not nearly so much. Vandy is in the toughest FB conference, but that doesn't mean you can't expect a great academics school to compete....see Stanford.
 
5 years ago, EVERYONE said Duke would never be competitive. How is Vandy worse than Duke??? Duke is more of a hoops school.....Vandy not nearly so much. Vandy is in the toughest FB conference, but that doesn't mean you can't expect a great academics school to compete....see Stanford.
These are trying times for Nit apologists....
 
Loaded Italian, Those records are AWESOME for Vanderbilt. Obviously you don't know much about Vanderbilt's football futility. They don't win games against teams with LOSING records. 6 wins at Vandy is a great year.

...And of course some of them hate on Franklin. He was the best thing they ever had and he left them.

How do you like Nashville, btw?
He did leave them with a rape scandal. But I reckon, in some circles, that's not such a big deal.
 
He should take his returning starters and players moving up in class and field a team no worse than last yr (actually better) if he is as good as his yapping BigMouth would indicate.

It really isn't that hard


Correct. The issue is how badly they got manhandled by Temple. They beat them last year, and it is not like their line is filled with freshman or they have a new coaching staff. They start:

RsSo, RsSo, RsJr, Jr, Sr
2nd year players: 0
3rd year players: 2
4th year players: 1
5th year players: 1

They are all in at least their 3rd year in college. They have a Juco, who is in his first year at PSU, but 3rd year in college, so I didn't count him.

Pitt starts:

RsFr, RsSo, RsJr, Jr, RsSr
2nd year players: 1
3rd year players: 3
4th year players: 0
5th year players: 1

Any Pitt fan (or fan of any team) would be pissed beyond belief if they had a line with some experience that gave up 10 sacks in a game and got manhandled by a team they beat handily the year before. The other issue is absolutely no adjustments during the game with play calling or protection for the QB.
 
TempleBAPittMPA, No. It is what it is and I don't care one way or the other. However, I am a huge fan of James Franklin and he isn't the guy that should be shouldering the blame for the Nits current sad state of affairs.

Who in the hell identifies as being "a huge fan of James Franklin".....???? Seriously?

He is despised at Vandy and not horribly loved currently at PSU.....

You must be one of those down the rabbit hole entirely Nit fans....
 
Who in the hell identifies as being "a huge fan of James Franklin".....???? Seriously?

He is despised at Vandy and not horribly loved currently at PSU.....

You must be one of those down the rabbit hole entirely Nit fans....


BINGO!!!!
 
Who in the hell identifies as being "a huge fan of James Franklin".....???? Seriously?

He is despised at Vandy and not horribly loved currently at PSU.....

You must be one of those down the rabbit hole entirely Nit fans....

I thought the same thing when I read that. Maybe the weirdest statement I have ever seen on a message board.
 
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TD is a Nitter plain and simple. He accidentally outed himself a while back, but continues with his charade. Very weird.
 
Who in the hell identifies as being "a huge fan of James Franklin".....???? Seriously?

He is despised at Vandy and not horribly loved currently at PSU.....

You must be one of those down the rabbit hole entirely Nit fans....
TD is and always has been a troll.
 
Pittzap, Do you think more experience automatically translates to better production or becoming a better player? Because it doesn't.

Troll? Here's the funny thing... This board was lit up 2 or 3 years ago when PSU was struggling to recruit Offensive Lineman and Dorian Johnson flipped to Pitt. People were mentioning this in several posts and scoffing about who was going to be blocking for Hackenberg and how he was going to struggle without an OL. Well, that's pretty much exactly the way it played out and now you want to ridicule Franklin? That doesn't make sense.
 
Who in the hell identifies as being "a huge fan of James Franklin".....???? Seriously?

He is despised at Vandy and not horribly loved currently at PSU.....

You must be one of those down the rabbit hole entirely Nit fans....

If someone that is a Vandy fan hates James Franklin, then they have real problems. Did you see Franklin in Omaha wearing his Black & Gold for the College World Series?
 
If someone that is a Vandy fan hates James Franklin, then they have real problems. Did you see Franklin in Omaha wearing his Black & Gold for the College World Series?
Why do you fight so hard to defend Franklin? Even if you know the guy personally, your passionate pleas for him are a bit ... well creepy is not the word... at least weird.
 
Anyone fighting hard to defend the dominatrix has real problems. He has shown his lack of integrity by his actions in the Vandy rape case and his comments about checking out subordinate’s wives or girlfriends before hiring them to see if they are hot. Who says that?
 
Pittzap, Do you think more experience automatically translates to better production or becoming a better player? Because it doesn't.

Troll? Here's the funny thing... This board was lit up 2 or 3 years ago when PSU was struggling to recruit Offensive Lineman and Dorian Johnson flipped to Pitt. People were mentioning this in several posts and scoffing about who was going to be blocking for Hackenberg and how he was going to struggle without an OL. Well, that's pretty much exactly the way it played out and now you want to ridicule Franklin? That doesn't make sense.


It should, if the coaches are any good. Players should get better every year. It appears that it worked for Temple.
 
It should, if the coaches are any good. Players should get better every year. It appears that it worked for Temple.
Pittzap is not just correct but dead on on point, the very best coaches in College Football History and the NFL to a lesser extent only because it has far more competitive parity for the Super Bowl Winner tougher to win, actually improves and turns their Players into Better Teams.

It is not just seen over the 2 or 3 years, it is often seen in the same the year between Game 1 and Game 13! The Greatest Coaches usually start out turning the Program around and that does take 2 to 3 years, but the very Best can show it is happening within the first year.

Pop Warner, Rockne, Leahy, Sutherland, Paterno, Beamer, Dantonio, Petrino, Meyers, Miles, Johnson, Snyder, Mora, Patterson, Briles, all immediately show an impact on improving their Players from their First game but clearly are better by the end of that same year. Some stumble in learning their First Head Coaching Year but that usually with not just their Players but choosing Staffers depending on putting it all together.

Yet, you can see the improvements little by little and sometimes big time the next year as their systems of coaching not only develops among the players production of executions in games, but among the many Assistant coaches that later go on to become Great Coaches too!

These type of coaches just know how to improve each Player one by one on Offense, Defense and Special Teams and even more importunately know how to select the Players they coach to become leaders on each unit that in turn improve and work together with other Players until they all become a Team together. no matter if injuries, mistakes, or adversity happen they overcome such obstacles.

Now some Coaches will have Programs that have certain advantages to succeed over others and certainly over how College football chaneged from 1900 to 1940, and then 1940 to 1960, and again 1960s to 1980s, and 1990s to 2000s, to Today. As Innovations, Rules, Roster Scholarship Limits, Schedules, Conferences, Resources, Chancellors and Athletic Directors impact upon each university.

Yet, the very Best Head Coaches show they can improve their Players in their first year and it may not always translate into Winning Seasons, but you can see the improvements that very year. Johnny Majors, Barry Alvarez, Kirk Ferentz, Brian Kelly, Urnan Meyers, Dantonio, Saban, Miles, CoachRod, all showed they first choose great Assistant Coache sthat help them turn around the Players, then the Teams and then the Programs back to winning 10+ Games.


This is why Holgrosen, Franklin, and Narduzzi deserve to be evaluated in their 3rd and 4th years, but usually one can see improvements within the first game they take over and the last game they play in their first year. Then the second year becomes even a more clearer picture and the third year they are winning 8 or 9 games, and may have a setback, but in the 4th year they take off as all their recruits become players that bought in, listen, and play under how the Coaches teach them?

Programs also can be effected by outside influences such as bad Athletic Director or College President but even Great Coaches overcome that too, and will move or be forced to leave on when that happens!

Great Coaches choose great staffers who help recruit players and then teaches those players to be bettwr and form a teams hard to beat and this is seen in the first year even if Wins are not always there, but the games are far closer than expected as they become a complete Teams!

When Schedules are changed to help them win with easier Teams, it sometimes allows them the time to build the Program but you still see good coaching when they play against better Teams even when losing to them.

 
Franklin is an arrogant jackass. How can you respect him??? He is a piece of garbage. I guess they accept scumbags like him up there.
 
I'm shocked you said it. I know all about Dorsett's recruitment.
What's your point? It was 40 years ago. Nothing that Pitt has ever done can compare to what the Nits have done.

Where do we start? Well, Sandusky is the obvious thing.

We can even reference their hiring referees who have a strong connection to the team. How many games did they win just from that?

Failing to report on-campus crime, leading their students to think that they're safer than they actually were?

I could go on, but the bottom line is that Happy Valley had been nothing more than a rat's nest wrapped-up in gold paper, with Biggie Rat himself calling the shots.
 
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