The next Penn State coach will be Schiano. He wants it badly and is familiar to PSU alums and directors.
Franklin exposed; impact for Pitt
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I thought last year Hackenberg was going to be hurt in a game and be out for the season, but he throws the ball away so fast he often misses the big hits and he is tough to bring down! However, if the Penn State OL does not improve and the Coaches Game Plans continue to stink like last year, Hack will be blinded like Pearl Harbor and join Conner on the sidelines? Yet, I fully expect Franklin & Staff have enough time to change and improve this Team with Buffalo, Rutgers, SDSU and Army coming up at Home! We shall see if big improvements happen from 1st to 5th Games? In the meantime I highlighted my concerns and important aspect within the Article for all fans to see about Franklin & Staff?
PSU's problem: Do Franklin, Donovan, Hand know how to use Hackenberg?
There's plenty of blame to go around for Penn State's humiliating offensive performance in Saturday's 10-sack, 27-10 loss to Temple. There's also one very important question. Does James Franklin's offense, led by coordinator John Donovan, have any idea how to use Christian Hackenberg? Any football coach in the country would salivate over having a quarterback who's skilled enough to be considered a potential No. 1 overall NFL draft pick. But when you have such a quarterback and you as coaches devise an all-around system that cannot even function, gets embarrassed and jeopardizes the kid's health, then it's a serious, serious problem.
Let's tackle this issue from all sides, because -- like with anything in life -- the answers lie more in the gray area than anything concrete black or white.
* The offensive line looks awful again: OK, so stop using it as an excuse and find a way to make it salvageable. (MY SOLUTION GO WITH FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES DUMP THE OLDER GUYS PLAY FOR TOMORROW & LATER THIS YEAR) A football team that cannot protect its quarterback will struggle. That's a given. But where exactly does the problem lie for PSU? Maybe the kids just aren't very good football players. Fine. But that's not the end of the story.
Herb Hand is supposed to be a great offensive line coach. If he is, then prove it by coming up with some kind of blocking scheme that can mask the deficiencies of the players. A gimmick scheme, a bizarre scheme, a revolutionary scheme, something. You mean to tell me that four returning starters at a Big Ten program, plus a 300-pound JUCO transfer, are going to give up 10 sacks, and it's ALL their fault because they're just not very good? No way. Any offensive line coach who sees his unit get flat out destroyed -- even giving up sacks when Temple only rushed two guys -- deserves his share of criticism. If Hand's players just aren't good enough, then hey, tough. It's his job to make them look better than they are. (NOPE, PLAY THE YOUNGER GUYS THAT WILL BECOME GOOD) He needs to take a hard look in the mirror and wonder if he's thinking outside the box enough to get the job done with the hand -- no pun intended -- that he's been dealt.
* Penn State's playcalling Saturday was about as simple and unsophisticated as it gets: This falls directly on Donovan. (LAST YEAR TOO!) Maybe his hands are tied so much by the poor offensive line that he truly can't do any better than he's done so far in 14 games. (EXCUSE)
Or maybe Donovan is in way over his head. The answer might be somewhere in the middle.(FRANKLIN HAS TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THIS YEAR!) This is where the symbiosis of the poor offensive line and playcalling, plus Hackenberg's limited mobility as a pocket passer, need to be lumped in together as one massive problem.
If Franklin and Hand and Donovan all know the O-line is not very good, and that they don't have a quarterback who can scramble to make more plays, then they must collectively come up with a system that overcomes the problem.
The biggest bill of goods that this coaching staff has sold us on was last year when Franklin was hired and he wouldn't even discuss what kind of offensive system he wanted to run. He would adapt his system, he said, to the personnel and run what it takes to win. (TELLING RECRUITS THEY COULD START AT PSU TOO MIGHT BE THE BIGGER BILL OF GOOD AND BULLSHIP TOO, THIS IS WHY I SUGGEST HE STARTS THE YOUNGER GUYS NOW?)
Has anyone seen anything like that at all? Look, maybe if these coaches had a mobile quarterback running this system, they could keep doing what they're doing and things would be OK. They did succeed at Vanderbilt, so they do have a track record.(WELL, IF HACK GOES DOWN THEY MAY HAVE A MOBILE QB PLAY THAT WAY TO RUN TOO?) But what else did they have at Vanderbilt? They had a quarterback in Austyn Carta-Samuels who, while not a great runner, did have excellent footwork and was a good scrambler who could extend plays. Go and google "Austyn Carta-Samuels flips TD pass to Jordan Matthews" and watch the 10-second video clip. (HACK IS NOT THE PROBLEM AND IS MOBILE BUT THE PLAYS STINK FOR HIM!)
Go ahead. Go do it right now and then come back. (It's linked at the right.) Does anyone have faith that Hackenberg could pull off that kind of play when his protection breaks down? (For those who didn't go watch the video, the Vandy QB was dead to rights in the backfield, showed great footwork to escape the immediate pressure, sprinted to his left about 20 yards while outrunning defenders and did a backhand flip to his star receiver in the end zone.) (THERE IS NO PROTECTION IT IS BREAKING SOWN ALMOST EVERY PLAY??? JUST LIKE LAST YEAR)
* Let's face it, maybe Hackenberg isn't as good as so many people believe: This is the point that surely will draw the most debate. (O'BRIEN PROVED OTHERWISE IN HIS FIRST YEAR???)
To the pro-Hack crowd, he gets the benefit of the doubt in every situation because he just doesn't have time to throw.
OK, so what about when he did have time Saturday and he overthrew DaeSean Hamilton for a sure TD? If he completes that 44-yard pass early in the second quarter, PSU would have gone up 17-0, and that might have been the ballgame. (INCONSISTENT BLOCKING LEADS TO INCONSISTENT PASSING)
That's the kind of misfire, facing no pressure, that continues to bug me about Hackenberg. I'm no NFL draft expert, but I can tell you that if you're going to be a starting quarterback in The League who's worthy of a first-round pick, then you'd better be connecting on that throw just about every time. Hackenberg frequently holds onto the ball far too long instead of dumping it off. That's a fundamental mistake. (MAYBE SOME PLAY CALLING WITH AN OPEN WR OR SLOT OR RB COULD HELP ON A SHORT PASS THAT MUST BE PASSED QUICKLY??)
His footwork in the pocket is not great under pressure. He can't seem to avoid the rush and sometimes actually maneuvers himself into more harm, which shows a general lack of pocket awareness. The bottom line with Hackenberg is he's not the kind of quarterback who can succeed behind a bad offensive line. He's mobile to a degree, but not enough to extend plays on his own and make something out of nothing. (FEW EVER CAN, ARCHIE MANNING WAS TERRIFIC BUT NEVER HAD A GOOD OL??)
If something isn't there while he's in the pocket, then Penn State usually gets a whole lot of nothing out of the play. Everyone knows Hackenberg came to PSU to play for Bill O'Brien in an NFL offense. Based on the eye test -- and despite what Franklin said last year that his system isn't much different from O'Brien's -- this is not the kind of system that will prepare Hack for the NFL. (HUH??? FINALLY COACHING MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM MORE THAN HACK??)
That's a big problem for him and his future. (FRANKLIN & STAFF AND PENN STATE TOO???) We're talking tens of millions of dollars here, folks. That's what's at stake for Christian Hackenberg in the draft.
If these Penn State coaches can't find a way to operate putting him in the best possible situation, then they will have done him a grave injustice. Speaking of which, why in the world was Hackenberg still on the field late in Saturday's game when it was obvious the Lions weren't going to win? Continuing to put a kid who had already been sacked eight times in harm's way and letting him get dropped two more times was blatantly unfair and irresponsible.
Even if he doesn't have a good year, and if his NFL stock drops, Hackenberg very well may come to the conclusion that he has to leave college early simply to get away from Franklin's offensive system. (I SAID IT ABOVE BEFORE I READ IT HERE??)
That would be a damning indictment on the entire operation. Just like Saturday's debacle.YEP!
Cory Giger is the host of "Sports Central" weekdays from 4 to 6 p.m. on ESPN Radio 1430 WVAM.
There's plenty of blame to go around for Penn State's humiliating offensive performance in Saturday's 10-sack, 27-10 loss to Temple. There's also one very important question. Does James Franklin's offense, led by coordinator John Donovan, have any idea how to use Christian Hackenberg? Any football coach in the country would salivate over having a quarterback who's skilled enough to be considered a potential No. 1 overall NFL draft pick. But when you have such a quarterback and you as coaches devise an all-around system that cannot even function, gets embarrassed and jeopardizes the kid's health, then it's a serious, serious problem.
Let's tackle this issue from all sides, because -- like with anything in life -- the answers lie more in the gray area than anything concrete black or white.
* The offensive line looks awful again: OK, so stop using it as an excuse and find a way to make it salvageable. (MY SOLUTION GO WITH FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES DUMP THE OLDER GUYS PLAY FOR TOMORROW & LATER THIS YEAR) A football team that cannot protect its quarterback will struggle. That's a given. But where exactly does the problem lie for PSU? Maybe the kids just aren't very good football players. Fine. But that's not the end of the story.
Herb Hand is supposed to be a great offensive line coach. If he is, then prove it by coming up with some kind of blocking scheme that can mask the deficiencies of the players. A gimmick scheme, a bizarre scheme, a revolutionary scheme, something. You mean to tell me that four returning starters at a Big Ten program, plus a 300-pound JUCO transfer, are going to give up 10 sacks, and it's ALL their fault because they're just not very good? No way. Any offensive line coach who sees his unit get flat out destroyed -- even giving up sacks when Temple only rushed two guys -- deserves his share of criticism. If Hand's players just aren't good enough, then hey, tough. It's his job to make them look better than they are. (NOPE, PLAY THE YOUNGER GUYS THAT WILL BECOME GOOD) He needs to take a hard look in the mirror and wonder if he's thinking outside the box enough to get the job done with the hand -- no pun intended -- that he's been dealt.
* Penn State's playcalling Saturday was about as simple and unsophisticated as it gets: This falls directly on Donovan. (LAST YEAR TOO!) Maybe his hands are tied so much by the poor offensive line that he truly can't do any better than he's done so far in 14 games. (EXCUSE)
Or maybe Donovan is in way over his head. The answer might be somewhere in the middle.(FRANKLIN HAS TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THIS YEAR!) This is where the symbiosis of the poor offensive line and playcalling, plus Hackenberg's limited mobility as a pocket passer, need to be lumped in together as one massive problem.
If Franklin and Hand and Donovan all know the O-line is not very good, and that they don't have a quarterback who can scramble to make more plays, then they must collectively come up with a system that overcomes the problem.
The biggest bill of goods that this coaching staff has sold us on was last year when Franklin was hired and he wouldn't even discuss what kind of offensive system he wanted to run. He would adapt his system, he said, to the personnel and run what it takes to win. (TELLING RECRUITS THEY COULD START AT PSU TOO MIGHT BE THE BIGGER BILL OF GOOD AND BULLSHIP TOO, THIS IS WHY I SUGGEST HE STARTS THE YOUNGER GUYS NOW?)Has anyone seen anything like that at all? Look, maybe if these coaches had a mobile quarterback running this system, they could keep doing what they're doing and things would be OK. They did succeed at Vanderbilt, so they do have a track record.(WELL, IF HACK GOES DOWN THEY MAY HAVE A MOBILE QB PLAY THAT WAY TO RUN TOO?) But what else did they have at Vanderbilt? They had a quarterback in Austyn Carta-Samuels who, while not a great runner, did have excellent footwork and was a good scrambler who could extend plays. Go and google "Austyn Carta-Samuels flips TD pass to Jordan Matthews" and watch the 10-second video clip. (HACK IS NOT THE PROBLEM AND IS MOBILE BUT THE PLAYS STINK FOR HIM!)
Go ahead. Go do it right now and then come back. (It's linked at the right.) Does anyone have faith that Hackenberg could pull off that kind of play when his protection breaks down? (For those who didn't go watch the video, the Vandy QB was dead to rights in the backfield, showed great footwork to escape the immediate pressure, sprinted to his left about 20 yards while outrunning defenders and did a backhand flip to his star receiver in the end zone.) (THERE IS NO PROTECTION IT IS BREAKING SOWN ALMOST EVERY PLAY??? JUST LIKE LAST YEAR)
* Let's face it, maybe Hackenberg isn't as good as so many people believe: This is the point that surely will draw the most debate. (O'BRIEN PROVED OTHERWISE IN HIS FIRST YEAR???)
To the pro-Hack crowd, he gets the benefit of the doubt in every situation because he just doesn't have time to throw.
OK, so what about when he did have time Saturday and he overthrew DaeSean Hamilton for a sure TD? If he completes that 44-yard pass early in the second quarter, PSU would have gone up 17-0, and that might have been the ballgame. (INCONSISTENT BLOCKING LEADS TO INCONSISTENT PASSING)
That's the kind of misfire, facing no pressure, that continues to bug me about Hackenberg. I'm no NFL draft expert, but I can tell you that if you're going to be a starting quarterback in The League who's worthy of a first-round pick, then you'd better be connecting on that throw just about every time. Hackenberg frequently holds onto the ball far too long instead of dumping it off. That's a fundamental mistake. (MAYBE SOME PLAY CALLING WITH AN OPEN WR OR SLOT OR RB COULD HELP ON A SHORT PASS THAT MUST BE PASSED QUICKLY??)
His footwork in the pocket is not great under pressure. He can't seem to avoid the rush and sometimes actually maneuvers himself into more harm, which shows a general lack of pocket awareness. The bottom line with Hackenberg is he's not the kind of quarterback who can succeed behind a bad offensive line. He's mobile to a degree, but not enough to extend plays on his own and make something out of nothing. (FEW EVER CAN, ARCHIE MANNING WAS TERRIFIC BUT NEVER HAD A GOOD OL??)
If something isn't there while he's in the pocket, then Penn State usually gets a whole lot of nothing out of the play. Everyone knows Hackenberg came to PSU to play for Bill O'Brien in an NFL offense. Based on the eye test -- and despite what Franklin said last year that his system isn't much different from O'Brien's -- this is not the kind of system that will prepare Hack for the NFL. (HUH??? FINALLY COACHING MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM MORE THAN HACK??)
That's a big problem for him and his future. (FRANKLIN & STAFF AND PENN STATE TOO???) We're talking tens of millions of dollars here, folks. That's what's at stake for Christian Hackenberg in the draft.
If these Penn State coaches can't find a way to operate putting him in the best possible situation, then they will have done him a grave injustice. Speaking of which, why in the world was Hackenberg still on the field late in Saturday's game when it was obvious the Lions weren't going to win? Continuing to put a kid who had already been sacked eight times in harm's way and letting him get dropped two more times was blatantly unfair and irresponsible.
Even if he doesn't have a good year, and if his NFL stock drops, Hackenberg very well may come to the conclusion that he has to leave college early simply to get away from Franklin's offensive system. (I SAID IT ABOVE BEFORE I READ IT HERE??)
That would be a damning indictment on the entire operation. Just like Saturday's debacle.YEP!
Cory Giger is the host of "Sports Central" weekdays from 4 to 6 p.m. on ESPN Radio 1430 WVAM.
PSU's problem: Do Franklin, Donovan, Hand know how to use Hackenberg?
There's plenty of blame to go around for Penn State's humiliating offensive performance in Saturday's 10-sack, 27-10 loss to Temple. There's also one very important question. Does James Franklin's offense, led by coordinator John Donovan, have any idea how to use Christian Hackenberg? Any football coach in the country would salivate over having a quarterback who's skilled enough to be considered a potential No. 1 overall NFL draft pick. But when you have such a quarterback and you as coaches devise an all-around system that cannot even function, gets embarrassed and jeopardizes the kid's health, then it's a serious, serious problem.
Let's tackle this issue from all sides, because -- like with anything in life -- the answers lie more in the gray area than anything concrete black or white.
* The offensive line looks awful again: OK, so stop using it as an excuse and find a way to make it salvageable. (MY SOLUTION GO WITH FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES DUMP THE OLDER GUYS PLAY FOR TOMORROW & LATER THIS YEAR) A football team that cannot protect its quarterback will struggle. That's a given. But where exactly does the problem lie for PSU? Maybe the kids just aren't very good football players. Fine. But that's not the end of the story.
Herb Hand is supposed to be a great offensive line coach. If he is, then prove it by coming up with some kind of blocking scheme that can mask the deficiencies of the players. A gimmick scheme, a bizarre scheme, a revolutionary scheme, something. You mean to tell me that four returning starters at a Big Ten program, plus a 300-pound JUCO transfer, are going to give up 10 sacks, and it's ALL their fault because they're just not very good? No way. Any offensive line coach who sees his unit get flat out destroyed -- even giving up sacks when Temple only rushed two guys -- deserves his share of criticism. If Hand's players just aren't good enough, then hey, tough. It's his job to make them look better than they are. (NOPE, PLAY THE YOUNGER GUYS THAT WILL BECOME GOOD) He needs to take a hard look in the mirror and wonder if he's thinking outside the box enough to get the job done with the hand -- no pun intended -- that he's been dealt.
* Penn State's playcalling Saturday was about as simple and unsophisticated as it gets: This falls directly on Donovan. (LAST YEAR TOO!) Maybe his hands are tied so much by the poor offensive line that he truly can't do any better than he's done so far in 14 games. (EXCUSE)
Or maybe Donovan is in way over his head. The answer might be somewhere in the middle.(FRANKLIN HAS TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THIS YEAR!) This is where the symbiosis of the poor offensive line and playcalling, plus Hackenberg's limited mobility as a pocket passer, need to be lumped in together as one massive problem.
If Franklin and Hand and Donovan all know the O-line is not very good, and that they don't have a quarterback who can scramble to make more plays, then they must collectively come up with a system that overcomes the problem.
Has anyone seen anything like that at all? Look, maybe if these coaches had a mobile quarterback running this system, they could keep doing what they're doing and things would be OK. They did succeed at Vanderbilt, so they do have a track record.(WELL, IF HACK GOES DOWN THEY MAY HAVE A MOBILE QB PLAY THAT WAY TO RUN TOO?) But what else did they have at Vanderbilt? They had a quarterback in Austyn Carta-Samuels who, while not a great runner, did have excellent footwork and was a good scrambler who could extend plays. Go and google "Austyn Carta-Samuels flips TD pass to Jordan Matthews" and watch the 10-second video clip. (HACK IS NOT THE PROBLEM AND IS MOBILE BUT THE PLAYS STINK FOR HIM!)
Go ahead. Go do it right now and then come back. (It's linked at the right.) Does anyone have faith that Hackenberg could pull off that kind of play when his protection breaks down? (For those who didn't go watch the video, the Vandy QB was dead to rights in the backfield, showed great footwork to escape the immediate pressure, sprinted to his left about 20 yards while outrunning defenders and did a backhand flip to his star receiver in the end zone.) (THERE IS NO PROTECTION IT IS BREAKING SOWN ALMOST EVERY PLAY??? JUST LIKE LAST YEAR)
* Let's face it, maybe Hackenberg isn't as good as so many people believe: This is the point that surely will draw the most debate. (O'BRIEN PROVED OTHERWISE IN HIS FIRST YEAR???)
To the pro-Hack crowd, he gets the benefit of the doubt in every situation because he just doesn't have time to throw.
OK, so what about when he did have time Saturday and he overthrew DaeSean Hamilton for a sure TD? If he completes that 44-yard pass early in the second quarter, PSU would have gone up 17-0, and that might have been the ballgame. (INCONSISTENT BLOCKING LEADS TO INCONSISTENT PASSING)
That's the kind of misfire, facing no pressure, that continues to bug me about Hackenberg. I'm no NFL draft expert, but I can tell you that if you're going to be a starting quarterback in The League who's worthy of a first-round pick, then you'd better be connecting on that throw just about every time. Hackenberg frequently holds onto the ball far too long instead of dumping it off. That's a fundamental mistake. (MAYBE SOME PLAY CALLING WITH AN OPEN WR OR SLOT OR RB COULD HELP ON A SHORT PASS THAT MUST BE PASSED QUICKLY??)
His footwork in the pocket is not great under pressure. He can't seem to avoid the rush and sometimes actually maneuvers himself into more harm, which shows a general lack of pocket awareness. The bottom line with Hackenberg is he's not the kind of quarterback who can succeed behind a bad offensive line. He's mobile to a degree, but not enough to extend plays on his own and make something out of nothing. (FEW EVER CAN, ARCHIE MANNING WAS TERRIFIC BUT NEVER HAD A GOOD OL??)
If something isn't there while he's in the pocket, then Penn State usually gets a whole lot of nothing out of the play. Everyone knows Hackenberg came to PSU to play for Bill O'Brien in an NFL offense. Based on the eye test -- and despite what Franklin said last year that his system isn't much different from O'Brien's -- this is not the kind of system that will prepare Hack for the NFL. (HUH??? FINALLY COACHING MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM MORE THAN HACK??)
That's a big problem for him and his future. (FRANKLIN & STAFF AND PENN STATE TOO???) We're talking tens of millions of dollars here, folks. That's what's at stake for Christian Hackenberg in the draft.
If these Penn State coaches can't find a way to operate putting him in the best possible situation, then they will have done him a grave injustice. Speaking of which, why in the world was Hackenberg still on the field late in Saturday's game when it was obvious the Lions weren't going to win? Continuing to put a kid who had already been sacked eight times in harm's way and letting him get dropped two more times was blatantly unfair and irresponsible.
Even if he doesn't have a good year, and if his NFL stock drops, Hackenberg very well may come to the conclusion that he has to leave college early simply to get away from Franklin's offensive system. (I SAID IT ABOVE BEFORE I READ IT HERE??)
That would be a damning indictment on the entire operation. Just like Saturday's debacle.YEP!
Cory Giger is the host of "Sports Central" weekdays from 4 to 6 p.m. on ESPN Radio 1430 WVAM.
Weirdest part is that they made a point to talk the line up last week.
This is the honest truth ....... my pre-season prediction was 9-3, with the team struggling at the start but picking up steam quickly as the season rolled downhill. Losses to Temple, Ohio State and Northwestern, but a huge victory at Michigan State in the finale.
(I was VERY high on Temple in the pre-season: that is a legitimately GOOD Owls team, they have a top-20 nationally defense, and they will beat Cincinnati this upcoming weekend and contend year-round for the AAC Championship).
Now, technically my PSU prediction is still possible. PSU is 0-1, as I expected. Given that I am batting 100% thus far
I guess I'll keep to the prediction. But I can't honestly say that anything I saw on Saturday really gives me confidence in that prediction. Saturday vs. Buffalo will be an interesting datapoint.
I really enjoyed these highlights of the psu-temple game. I really love the "almost" TD pass that future Cleveland Browns QB "Hack" throws.
I'm sure that there have been...but I can't think of another college QB who got so much hype who accomplished so little. Fine, his line isn't good. But the guy took 10 sacks against Temple and could have thrown the ball away in many of those. Looked like Sunseri at his worst.
What were the tweets by the former players? Thanks
That's Nate D. Smith. We've been using his middle initial because there's another Nate Smith on the roster, but he will now forever be known as DomiNate (the State) Smith.
I'm guessing that if he starts winning soon, the love affair will commence and it all will all be wonderful again. But if there are more "Temple-type" games that follow, The Cult won't take too kindly to it.
Looking at their schedule, it's so weak that even this putrid team will win enough to be bowl eligible. Their next games are against Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego State, Army, and Indiana - and they're all at home! (How do they get a schedule like that???)
Then they have back-to-back away games @ Ohio State and Maryland; back home versus Illinois; @ Northwestern; back home versus Michigan; then they wrap-up their regular season @ their "designated rival" Michigan State. Right now, it looks like they're gonna go "bowling", no matter how bad it gets.
raleigh -- Good post, but maybe shouldn't use phraseology like "Franklin exposed" when referring to things related to Penn State.... Just sayin'
Go Pitt.
wow that is a really weak schedule!!! omgI'm guessing that if he starts winning soon, the love affair will commence and it all will all be wonderful again. But if there are more "Temple-type" games that follow, The Cult won't take too kindly to it.
Looking at their schedule, it's so weak that even this putrid team will win enough to be bowl eligible. Their next games are against Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego State, Army, and Indiana - and they're all at home! (How do they get a schedule like that???)
Then they have back-to-back away games @ Ohio State and Maryland; back home versus Illinois; @ Northwestern; back home versus Michigan; then they wrap-up their regular season @ their "designated rival" Michigan State. Right now, it looks like they're gonna go "bowling", no matter how bad it gets.
I betI'm guessing that if he starts winning soon, the love affair will commence and it all will all be wonderful again. But if there are more "Temple-type" games that follow, The Cult won't take too kindly to it.
Looking at their schedule, it's so weak that even this putrid team will win enough to be bowl eligible. Their next games are against Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego State, Army, and Indiana - and they're all at home! (How do they get a schedule like that???)
Then they have back-to-back away games @ Ohio State and Maryland; back home versus Illinois; @ Northwestern; back home versus Michigan; then they wrap-up their regular season @ their "designated rival" Michigan State. Right now, it looks like they're gonna go "bowling", no matter how bad it gets.
I believe you, honest assessment and season just started. Hard to see MSU Prediction, they are loaded this year!This is the honest truth ....... my pre-season prediction was 9-3, with the team struggling at the start but picking up steam quickly as the season rolled downhill. Losses to Temple, Ohio State and Northwestern, but a huge victory at Michigan State in the finale.
(I was VERY high on Temple in the pre-season: that is a legitimately GOOD Owls team, they have a top-20 nationally defense, and they will beat Cincinnati this upcoming weekend and contend year-round for the AAC Championship).
Now, technically my PSU prediction is still possible. PSU is 0-1, as I expected. Given that I am batting 100% thus far
Good Luck!
Loved this from CFT: "Offensive coordinator John Donovan is already under a microscope in Happy Valley, with Franklin saying his coordinator is being evaluated along with everything else within the program. Penn State’s playcalling was suspect last fall and it got off to another rough start in 2015."
James from State College also said that the team lost confidence after the first sack. WTH? Solid coaching James.
James from State College also said that the team lost confidence after the first sack. WTH? Solid coaching James.
So we all should know what that means: that their Athletic Department will shake the piggy bank a little harder, and they'll over-pay a lot to poach some well known, proven assistants - provided that they have hot-looking wives, of course...
Did he say that? If he did, I thought he was supposed to be such a great motivator?
I saw an interview where he basically said they couldn't protect the QB, so what could they do (regarding adjusting at halftime)?
Maybe not call the same plays over and over again?!
I honestly have no idea. I would think somewhere between 4 and 7 wins for this year. Nit fans (and no, I'm not one.) should just enjoy their tailgates, and put away all expectations until 2017 or 2018. It isn't going to get much better until then.
He has a DAMN GOOD track record. If you have Vandy friends, then they are smart enough to know that NOBODY will take them further than James Franklin did. Never. It can't be done at Vanderbilt.
Wow. I want to work for PSU. Zero accountability, a cult that never criticizes, and no expectations.
They were smart enough to realize HE would never take them any further.
I was thinking the same thing. This taking responsibility thing is garbage. I am going to start refusing to be blamed for anything ever. I can still get paid for that right?
LMAO! So is Derek Mason going to take them further?
NOBODY can take Vandy further. Nobody ever has in the modern era. It won't be done in our lifetime. Take that to the bank. It is impossible to have any sustained success at Vanderbilt. Its also impossible to win at a high level. It will never be done.
Dude. Just. Stop.
It's amazing. Any time someone pokes fun at your boy Franklin, you come flying here to defend him.
Yes, he won some games at Vanderbilt, with Bobby Johnson's players. Whom, BTW did win 7 games there (including the bowl) 2 years prior, so perhaps the cupboard was't quite as bare there as one would think.
But college football is filled with coaches successful at a lower place, only to fail when promoted to a bigger job. Pretty sure you weren't rushing to defend Brady Hoke.
All Franklin has proven so far is that he can run his mouth, conjure tears, rarely beat a respectable team, and lose to teams like Illinois and Temple. Maybe things will change but for now I'm going to enjoy the trainwreck. You're not going to convince anyone here otherwise.
It's amazing. Any time someone pokes fun at your boy Franklin, you come flying here to defend him.
Yes, he won some games at Vanderbilt, with Bobby Johnson's players. Whom, BTW did win 7 games there (including the bowl) 2 years prior, so perhaps the cupboard was't quite as bare there as one would think.
But college football is filled with coaches successful at a lower place, only to fail when promoted to a bigger job. Pretty sure you weren't rushing to defend Brady Hoke.
All Franklin has proven so far is that he can run his mouth, conjure tears, rarely beat a respectable team, and lose to teams like Illinois and Temple. Maybe things will change but for now I'm going to enjoy the trainwreck. You're not going to convince anyone here otherwise.
Actually, Vanderbilt won a TOTAL of 4 games the two seasons before Franklin's arrival. Bobby Johnson was 2-10 in his last year, then Robbie Caldwell went 2-10 in his only season as HC in 2010.
He is also proving he can recruit reasonably well in the face of one of college football's biggest scandals. That is no small feat.
He is also proving he can recruit reasonably well in the face of one of college football's biggest scandals. That is no small feat.
Must be some rich PSU fans because I've heard so many say they had Temple as a loss. Guess that's why I don't bet on games.
I forget but what is franklin s record against teams with winning records?
Something like 3-7....3-8.....its not good....
Smoke and Mirrors....a fabrication of his own ego and running mouth....
Smoke and Mirrors....a fabrication of his own ego and running mouth....
A scandal that the local media did it's best to ignore? And then glossed over with feel good stories about Thon and other nonsense? A scandal that resulted in no television ban? Wow, that really made life difficult for your guy Franklin, nitter.
Why is the nitter allowed to post on here?
I am glad temple won. But with Pitt barely squeeking past YSU, I think Pitt fans need to worry about their own schedule.
I would also suspect like many others, If Jimmy Franks loses national recruits, it will be tough sledding for Pitt to recruit.
Even with St Penn Bann from bowls & scholarship restrictions, they still recruited better than Pitt.
It is troubling that Nardawg has yet to hit YTown, NJ or south Fla for any recruits. these typically have been very fertile grounds for Pitt.
I would also suspect like many others, If Jimmy Franks loses national recruits, it will be tough sledding for Pitt to recruit.
Even with St Penn Bann from bowls & scholarship restrictions, they still recruited better than Pitt.
It is troubling that Nardawg has yet to hit YTown, NJ or south Fla for any recruits. these typically have been very fertile grounds for Pitt.
I am putting you on ignore. Anyone who condones Franklin’s story about the rapes that happened at Vandy + saying he hires assistant coaches AFTER he checks out their WAGs cannot be taken seriously.
Hey there, not so fast...
If he is good enough for St Penn, Maybe he fits the "cult"ure up there in Nitter Nitter Neverland!
The YSU game is over and just another Ohio Team waiting for Pitt without Conner now, but Pitt's Old Boyd is back! Pitt Players will pick it up now they know losing Conner will make them play even better.
The Temple game is over and Franklin just wants everyone to forget even his Players. But that is like forgetting one just got mugged and doing nothing about it? We shall see if that kind of psychology works for Penn State Players bouncing back with a big win against mighty Buffalo???? Any miscalculation there will result in much booing in Beaver Stadium! The Paterno's will be booing in any case until Jay is hired!
The latest rumor is Spanier dresses like a clown to attend games incognito? Schultz is a Security Guard guarding the Cows at Farms next to the Stadium! Curley stays home and walks his dog during games. As Trustees, Barron and Barbour all have personal security guards that now have been assign to Franklin & Staff after the Temple game. The Penn State Brownshirts that wear Blueshirts are out for blood and guards are checking every Dumpster looking for PnnyLiar!
Meanwhile, WVU Fans are just wild, wonderful and happy preparing for the Liberty game, a few are just waking up on the roof of the Stadium Box not knowing hoe they got there?
Time to bury the memories of last week now known as the Fast Frankie's Shuffle, and prepare for the upcoming games that should be fun to watch on how much all 3 Teams improve from their first to second games?
The Temple game is over and Franklin just wants everyone to forget even his Players. But that is like forgetting one just got mugged and doing nothing about it? We shall see if that kind of psychology works for Penn State Players bouncing back with a big win against mighty Buffalo???? Any miscalculation there will result in much booing in Beaver Stadium! The Paterno's will be booing in any case until Jay is hired!
The latest rumor is Spanier dresses like a clown to attend games incognito? Schultz is a Security Guard guarding the Cows at Farms next to the Stadium! Curley stays home and walks his dog during games. As Trustees, Barron and Barbour all have personal security guards that now have been assign to Franklin & Staff after the Temple game. The Penn State Brownshirts that wear Blueshirts are out for blood and guards are checking every Dumpster looking for PnnyLiar!
Meanwhile, WVU Fans are just wild, wonderful and happy preparing for the Liberty game, a few are just waking up on the roof of the Stadium Box not knowing hoe they got there?
Time to bury the memories of last week now known as the Fast Frankie's Shuffle, and prepare for the upcoming games that should be fun to watch on how much all 3 Teams improve from their first to second games?
I truly cant imagine the mindset of someone making a Pitt profile and being a PSU fan and writing positive PSU posts and negative Pitt posts constantly. I think there has to be severe mental issues going on there.
That being said... Pitt is looking better and better all the time. 412 proud is a good tagline, and these local recruits are rightfully buying into it. The joker over there is showing he is nothing and our guy is real coach that gets real players to the NFL... just like Pitt has ALWAYS been known to do.
That being said... Pitt is looking better and better all the time. 412 proud is a good tagline, and these local recruits are rightfully buying into it. The joker over there is showing he is nothing and our guy is real coach that gets real players to the NFL... just like Pitt has ALWAYS been known to do.
The best thing Pitt can hope for is that he continues to recruit national type players and continues to underperform with those players. LIke I said earlier, if his recruiting drops to the next proverbial level down, he is going to come knocking on a lot of wpial players, players that want to go to psu but don't have the offer so are looking at us. I know that sucks to say, I don't like saying it but we have been and will be the beneficiary of some recruits that we wouldn't have gotten had psu offered.
It's almost like a watered down version of tosu We want them to recruit great because that leaves the 2nd tier ohio kids looking at us (hopefully). Same kind of goes for psu. Plus, that fan base wants immediate results. They continue to put up games like last week, maybe this guy gets bought out and they have to start from scratch. Wishful thinking but you never know.
It's almost like a watered down version of tosu We want them to recruit great because that leaves the 2nd tier ohio kids looking at us (hopefully). Same kind of goes for psu. Plus, that fan base wants immediate results. They continue to put up games like last week, maybe this guy gets bought out and they have to start from scratch. Wishful thinking but you never know.
One thing's for certain: if his record at Vandy is an accurate barometer of the Big Mouth's coaching abilities, then consider this. At UPS:
*he'll be playing a much easier schedule than he played at Vandy;
*he'll have more fan support than he ever had at Vandy;
*he'll have a bigger recruiting budget than he ever had at Vandy.
If he's not knocking on the door of a national title by 2017 (his 4th year at UPS, when he'll have his recruits on-board), then he's not the coach that his supporters think that he is.
*he'll be playing a much easier schedule than he played at Vandy;
*he'll have more fan support than he ever had at Vandy;
*he'll have a bigger recruiting budget than he ever had at Vandy.
If he's not knocking on the door of a national title by 2017 (his 4th year at UPS, when he'll have his recruits on-board), then he's not the coach that his supporters think that he is.
Yes, James from State College won the battle of recruiting stars last February. And then he ran five kids out in front of his dead lock, first round QB on Saturday that looked confused and terrified of Temple's defense.
PSU always gets good recruits. So what?
Forgot about Robbie Caldwell.
But for the scandal, it's been forgotten, or at least seriously downplayed. And I seem to remember Bill O'Brien's recruiting being fine.
OP here. My original post was about the impact of the tide turning downward for Franklin right now. Its not just the bad Temple loss. There are things happening that recruits are noticing and taking very seriously, and I have to think this will take the glow off of his recruiting sales pitch and ultimately, his recruiting success.
PSU fans are saying en masse that he is all talk and can't coach, that his offensive scheme is poor, that he is ruining a promising future NFL QB.
And most importantly, his ex-players were taking shots at him generally. They said that the best players are not playing because of politics, and Smith said that what was displayed in the Temple game is the reason he left. That is not good at all for recruiting.
At the same time, ex-Pitt players are raving about Narduzzi. AD's comments were unbelievably positive about PN personally and where he is taking the program. Its the 2017 and 2018 recruits who are taking all this in and forming opinions about the type of coach and program they want to play for.
BTW, Narduzzi is aiming higher with his 2017 targets, offering several 5-star guys, trying to compete with best. He has the time build relationships over time with these younger guys, and isn't playing catch up, as he is with the 2016 guys. Sanders was essentially already committed to PSU before Narduzzi got to know him. Had he been here a year earlier, Sanders decision may have been different (and may still change).
PSU fans are saying en masse that he is all talk and can't coach, that his offensive scheme is poor, that he is ruining a promising future NFL QB.
And most importantly, his ex-players were taking shots at him generally. They said that the best players are not playing because of politics, and Smith said that what was displayed in the Temple game is the reason he left. That is not good at all for recruiting.
At the same time, ex-Pitt players are raving about Narduzzi. AD's comments were unbelievably positive about PN personally and where he is taking the program. Its the 2017 and 2018 recruits who are taking all this in and forming opinions about the type of coach and program they want to play for.
BTW, Narduzzi is aiming higher with his 2017 targets, offering several 5-star guys, trying to compete with best. He has the time build relationships over time with these younger guys, and isn't playing catch up, as he is with the 2016 guys. Sanders was essentially already committed to PSU before Narduzzi got to know him. Had he been here a year earlier, Sanders decision may have been different (and may still change).
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