That's all I hear psu fans saying in regards to Osu staying ahead of them in the rankings. Yet disregard September 10th like it meant nothing. "We are a different team". Really? What makes you think we wouldn't put another 42 on you? We did the same against Clemson? Are you saying you have a better defense now than Clemson? They did expose our secondary do they think they'd put 50-60 on us because I think not based on the offense I saw against osu. Now they say next year will be a cakewalk just like they said this past year would be. The arrogance never ends and they wonder why people love to see them lose, not just Pitt fans. Whatever it takes to win with them...... but that's what got them in trouble in the first place.End of rant, H2P.
Head to Heads should matter....
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So is Wisky, that lost to Michigan & Ohio State, so is Pitt the last 2 games? Yet. PSU struggles with Rutgers 9-0 at Rutgers Mistakes by Half. behind in Indiana until Indiana makes mistakes in the last minutes? So is USC since losing to Bama, Standford, and Utah? So is OU that got beat by Houston and OSU, or WVU that lost just 2 Big Games by Blow outs, It goes on and on....?
I am happy Penn state, WVU and Penn state are winning more than the last 5 years, and all in New Conferences now, but I still see 3 all pretty even right now, with the edge to Pitt that is playing better than both WVU & PSU too the last 2 games?
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I love how some PSU fans discount that loss because it was early in the season and dont figure in it was also our first game in a new offense. For them, it was their 2nd. We didnt use our offense vs Nova. Also, Conner was nowhere near 100% and ran all over them. Now, he'd go for 200+
We bested their best win and beat them head to head. We have 2 more losses but if they went to Stillwater, Chapel Hill, and Miami, they weren't winning those games either. Maybe they could beat VT at home but they did need a minor miracle to beat Minny at home so who knows.
Pitt is better this year and we'll be better next year despite their preseason Top 5 ranking.
They got totally out coached in that game. narduzzi and Canada held back and because there was no film on jet sweeps psu had no defense against q running wild. I can't imagine what a healthy conner and a confident Peterman would do against the little lions.
Only at Penn State do people brag like they won when they actually lose... twice in 17 yrs now...
I think it is pretty simple. They have 2 losses and we have 4. If we switched our tough ooc game at okst with their home gimme against temple we both have 3 losses. We r pretty even overall but i in no way can take them seriously as a top 10 team with that schedule.
We beat their butts on September 10th and would beat them even worse now. Instead of bitching they should be apologizing for the jayvee schedule they have played.
Long time PSU (not JoePa) fan here. I think there are many PSU fans that think we should be ranked ahead of OSU because of head-to-head, but I am not one of them. Looking at a body of work there is no doubt that OSU is the better team.
That being said, looking at the body of work, I don't think you can logically say anything more than this about Pitt and PSU this year - Pitt won the head-to-head, but they are close. There is simply to evidence to back up claims that Pitt's played a MUCH better schedule. Check any of the "rankings" you want (Sagarin, ESPN, etc) as they are all pretty similar. Pitt has beaten 3 teams in the top 50 - Clemson, PSU and Ga Tech. PSU has beaten 4 - OSU, Iowa, Temple and Minnesota. Similar #s if you count teams beaten that are or will be bowl-eligible.
There obviously are talking heads, coaches, etc, that have ranked PSU in the top 10 at this point of the season - all they all morons who have no clue about college football? I don't think so. Are they all knowing and right on the money? Again, I don't think so.
What I see here is a lot of what I have seen for many years as a PSU fan (who, by the way, grew up as a fan but actually attended Pitt for grad school). That is, a not insignificant part of a fan base that seems to take as much pleasure from a PSU loss as they do from a Pitt win. I have never understood that mentality.
That being said, looking at the body of work, I don't think you can logically say anything more than this about Pitt and PSU this year - Pitt won the head-to-head, but they are close. There is simply to evidence to back up claims that Pitt's played a MUCH better schedule. Check any of the "rankings" you want (Sagarin, ESPN, etc) as they are all pretty similar. Pitt has beaten 3 teams in the top 50 - Clemson, PSU and Ga Tech. PSU has beaten 4 - OSU, Iowa, Temple and Minnesota. Similar #s if you count teams beaten that are or will be bowl-eligible.
There obviously are talking heads, coaches, etc, that have ranked PSU in the top 10 at this point of the season - all they all morons who have no clue about college football? I don't think so. Are they all knowing and right on the money? Again, I don't think so.
What I see here is a lot of what I have seen for many years as a PSU fan (who, by the way, grew up as a fan but actually attended Pitt for grad school). That is, a not insignificant part of a fan base that seems to take as much pleasure from a PSU loss as they do from a Pitt win. I have never understood that mentality.
Are you dismissing the 4 (OkSt, UNC, VT, and Miami) other games against top 25 Sagarin teams, which Pitt lost to, but PSU didn't have to play? And why top 50? What about top 25? Top 30? Pitt played 6 top 25 teams. PSU played only 2 top 25 and 4 top 30.
The difference isnt just who they played but where they played. Ped st played two tough road games and lost both. They played every other tough game at home. Pitt played at ok st, unc, miami, clemson.
I am not dismissing Pitt's losses to ranked opponents, just not giving them a lot of weight because I'm not sure how good it makes you to lose to good teams. By that logic, are the lower half SEC teams good because they lost to Alabama?
Are you certain Pitt would have beaten Iowa, Temple and Minnesota this year? I don't think you can say that they would have beaten all 3 for sure, just like I can't say that had PSU played Miami, OK St, Va Tech and UNC that we would have lost to all 4 for sure. By discrediting PSU you are lowering the value of one of Pitt's 2 "big" wins.
Anyone that continues to use Ped St, to me, is a moron. Do you honestly believe that there were so many acts of child sexual abuse on campus, with so many students/staff/faculty/administrators/etc aware but turning their heads, as to justify the school nickname being "Ped St?" Do you know anyone who graduated from PSU? Did they commit child sexual abuse? My brother graduated from PSU and never saw or heard of any such acts in his time there. He is also still extremely proud of his alma mater. What if your child were to get a full academic scholarship to PSU? Would you refuse to send them there because of PSU's "reputation"? It really makes (what I hope is a small portion of) the Pitt fan base seem like idiots resorting to that level of insult.
Are you certain Pitt would have beaten Iowa, Temple and Minnesota this year? I don't think you can say that they would have beaten all 3 for sure, just like I can't say that had PSU played Miami, OK St, Va Tech and UNC that we would have lost to all 4 for sure. By discrediting PSU you are lowering the value of one of Pitt's 2 "big" wins.
Anyone that continues to use Ped St, to me, is a moron. Do you honestly believe that there were so many acts of child sexual abuse on campus, with so many students/staff/faculty/administrators/etc aware but turning their heads, as to justify the school nickname being "Ped St?" Do you know anyone who graduated from PSU? Did they commit child sexual abuse? My brother graduated from PSU and never saw or heard of any such acts in his time there. He is also still extremely proud of his alma mater. What if your child were to get a full academic scholarship to PSU? Would you refuse to send them there because of PSU's "reputation"? It really makes (what I hope is a small portion of) the Pitt fan base seem like idiots resorting to that level of insult.
Losing to North Carolina on the road by 1 point is not the same as Tennessee losing to Bama by 29 at home!
Wake me up when UPS beats a good team on the road!
Wake me up when UPS beats a good team on the road!
I was about to say the same thing kudos.
One thing that isn't even up for debate is PITT IS BETTER THAN PENN STATE THIS YEAR
We proved it on the field and our schedule is better on every site you can find.
The College Football Playoff Committee does not take margin of victory into account.
There is clearly no point arguing with someone living in the ancient past like you - check the date on those 9 National Championships. How many were in the era of the face mask?
For sure, Pitt beat Penn State head-to-head. Whether or not their body of work is better remains in the hands of AP voters, coaches and the CFP committee. We'll see where both end up with respect to bowl games.
Question to you - if OSU beats Michigan and PSU beats Mich St and Wisky in the Big Ten Championship, who should go to the CFP? OSU or PSU?
Ahhhh the nit wits angry side will always come out. Yes why talk ancient past, when recently you me school was in a horrible child rape scandal and hire morons embattled with their own scandals at vandy and fsu
Saw a headline on Yahoo about Pitt wishing they could play PSU again this year.
Yeah... Obviously an autocorrect error. But since Pitt is also ranked ahead of ped state on virtually all rankings this year that's another reason you should hang your head around these here parts
But hey! Good retort since you can't debate football
We will play again again next September. Until then we have bragging rights as is evidenced by your hanging on a PITT board when you claim to be on such a tear!
Well you would to if you have a decent schedule. Jokepa was notorious for scheduling cupcakes... Oh and allowing child rape
Yes! Brilliant illiterate people couldn't spell profane words right? Nice ped state education you have their sport
But wait, aren't you saying PSU is no good - so that win really doesn't count for anything, right?
You clearly are having trouble reading. Did NOT attend PSU, grew up a fan in eastern PA. Did attend Pitt. Actually a fan of both.
Beating Rutgers carries NO weight in my book! What great road win did UPS have this season?
Fans on both sides tend to spew things that fit their narrative. Maybe I can be a bit guilty of that at times, I try to look at things objectively but I am biased after all.
Took a peek over at BWI out of boredom just to see what it was like - low and behold I saw things such as "Clemson is overrated", "Pitt barely beat Marshall and Georgia Tech", and some bragging about Big Ten teams' all-time records against Pitt.
Took a peek over at BWI out of boredom just to see what it was like - low and behold I saw things such as "Clemson is overrated", "Pitt barely beat Marshall and Georgia Tech", and some bragging about Big Ten teams' all-time records against Pitt.
Beating Rutgers carries NO weight in my book! What great road win did UPS have this season?
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Beating Villanova and Marshall carry no weight, by the same argument.
Per your criteria, PSU has no great road wins. Pitt has one, and beat PSU head to head. I can see it now - Pitt should really be #2 (since they beat Clemson) and possibly #1. They really are the best team in college football. Thanks for enlightening me.
It's all going to play itself out for the Nits. If they lose to MSU, they will take a huge tumble in the polls. If the win, then they are going to get a chance to play some pretty decent competition either in a bowl game or the B1G Championship game (depending on what Michigan does)
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Looking at Sagarin, we have the 14th toughest schedule in college football, you guys are at 35. You've had a good season. When I look at your schedule, I think you guys outperformed your expectations by one game (the OSU game). Your road schedule, however, is laughable outside of us and Michigan.
To your first question about the number who knew or suspected, the answer is "Yes". You have with absolute certainty earned your rep as "Ped St". I do know a few persons who graduated from PSU Main, though not really friends. I seriously doubt that they were guilty of sexual abuse against children. No one has ever stated that Penn State administrators, team members or students joined in Jerry's crimes.
It is the inaction of those, and they are legion, who knew and did nothing that condemns you to permanent status as "Ped St"
Did the students and community riot when the crimes were exposed and demand justice for the victims? No, You rioted when the football coach was fired and gathered to pray to his bronze idol.
That the present administration, students and community would honor this man at halftime of a game this year demonstrates that there is no remorse and no change in the football above all else attitude at "Ped St."
The question is not what you would do if you child were offered a PSU scholarship, but what if your child was raped by Jerry and everyone turned their back and looked away.
Calling people who do not agree with your confused reasoning "morons" or "idiots" is very mature and always conclusively proves your point.
You are only talking about wins, but you are trying to defend Penn State's schedule. There is no way you can say Penn State's schedule is better. Pitt has played the #2 team in the Big 12, the #2 team in the BIG East, and the #1 team in the ACC, that is three top 10 teams of which they beat two of them and took the third into overtime. Two of those three were away games. You can compare the BIG and ACC all you want but the proof is in the records and the ACC has two more teams with winning records than the BIG and more bowl eligible teams while also compiling a 3-1 record against the BIG.
The problem is the Penn State arrogance. When they have to act like arrogant hypocrites, they need to be reminded of who they are. And yes, I wouldn't want my child to go there. And don't act like you are above everyone, your pathetic fan base does the same thing.
They are just as relevant as PoSU's titles. You do realize you won your last on in the 1980's, ten years after Pitt won their last. That means you are as relevant as lowly Pitt. Maybe you should win one this century!
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
This ranking has PSU with the 13th toughest schedule and Pitt 16th. You've had a good season. When I look at your schedule, you outperformed expectations by one game (Clemson). Your road schedule is better than PSU's; however, you lost all those road games, save Clemson. If PSU had played a better road schedule how would they have performed? Can't say - crystal ball is out for repairs.
If relevance is only measured in national championships, then yes, PSU has been as relevant as Pitt for the last 40 years. I think it is not a stretch to say that by any other criteria PSU has been slightly more relevant than Pitt since the 1980s.
