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I have a legitimate question.

lol. The only reason why this is even front page is because your party is losing their minds over deporting an illegal gang banger who beat his wife. He’s the new George Floyd.

The tarrif issue was a did so now they are trying to create the next crisis for their rubes to latch on to

Unlike your boy Traitor Joe Trump is able to walk and Chew gum at the same time.
Real American patriots are concerned with dictatorial actions by the Trump Administration, depriving a man who never was even charged with a crime of his due process rights, and then pretending that they are powerless to undo what they knowingly did. It's not hard to understand.
 
Don't play dumb. One call from Trump and this guy is in the US in 12 hours....to be adjudicated properly and undoubtedly deported.
Deport him from his home country? Trump facilitated his return. He can’t kidnap him. Next the Libs will try him for human trafficking.
This is silly. You have an issue (tariffs) where you might stand a chance. You’re smart enough to not hitch your wagon to this 80/20 or 90/10 issue.
 
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Real American patriots are concerned with dictatorial actions by the Trump Administration, depriving a man who never was even charged with a crime of his due process rights, and then pretending that they are powerless to undo what they knowingly did. It's not hard to understand.
Real Americans. Lol. Too funny.
 
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The immigration court in 2019 had an order protecting him from being deported to El Salvador. Trump violated that order AND the order from the district court in 2025 temporarily restraining him from being deported (civil) to a life sentence in prison (criminal) without due process.

What order did Biden ignore regarding student loans? I’m only aware of him complying every time they were challenged and tweaking the programs to fit within the orders of the courts. You know, how the system is supposed to work.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between forgiving student loans as a matter of policy and shutting on the constitution while locking up people in foreign prisons without ANY due process. The first is a minor inconvenience to tax payers while the latter is a danger to us all. And he’s already talking about using the foreign prisons to hold US “criminals” where without due process, everyone can be labeled a criminal.
Trump didn't violate the 2019 order. That order applied the law to the facts at that time. The facts have changed. For example, he's no longer a minor.

Trump, like Biden, saw his opening and took it. Trump claims it was a administrative SNAFU. it's Trump's turn to play Game of Thrones.

Were Garcia a citizen, he'd need a hearing. Were he being criminally prosecuted, he'd need a hearing. This is all political gamesmanship. One judge says one thing and you just need to fish for a court that will say another thing. Ever watch those judge appointment hearings where they ask nominees to answer a direct question? Those tell us all we need to know about the caliber and character of our judges. Ketanji Brown Jackson could not define the word "woman", and we're supposed to care about an El Salvadoran's gang banger status?

He's MS-13.... He's not MS-13. He's a male.
He's female. It all depends on what the meaning of is is. It's all fun and games until you're on the losing end.

They'll all keep on playing with fire until they burn it all down.

 
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Deport him from his home country? Trump facilitated his return. He can’t kidnap him. Next the Libs will try him for human trafficking.
This is silly. You have an issue (tariffs) where you might stand a chance. You’re smart enough to not hitch your wagon to this 80/20 or 90/10 issue.
It's a matter of principle, which is why the Trump cult doesn't get it. This guy was under a court order not to be deported to El Salvador and now he is there in a maximum security prison despite never having been charged with a crime. I understand he's not a good guy but that is immaterial. If Trump wanted him deported he could easily have done it legally using existing process.
 
To the MAGA cult it probably is. The Constitution and Rule of Law mean absolutely nothing to them. It's more important to own the libtards and piss them off for sport.
77 million and growing. A cult is 10000 people with blue hair and nose rings who love grooming kids and chopping off their dicks and support ms13 gang members
 
While I generally agree with you I also agree with the thought below

Well, the US Constitution is for defining the structure and the limits of authority granted to our national government. And our rights don't come just from the Constitution. Rights to life, liberty and property are given by our Creator and are unalienable.

So, since Trump did not take Garcia's life, his property, or his liberty, (well, two out of three ain't bad - depending on how you spin it) Garcia's rights were not violated.

At worst, a bad immigration court decision was violated. Oh, the horror. 😲
 
It's a matter of principle, which is why the Trump cult doesn't get it. This guy was under a court order not to be deported to El Salvador and now he is there in a maximum security prison despite never having been charged with a crime. I understand he's not a good guy but that is immaterial. If Trump wanted him deported he could easily have done it legally using existing process.
It’s a matter of principle? And why are you the arbiter of it? Why do you pick and choose when to be principled?
 
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Well, the US Constitution is for defining the structure and the limits of authority granted to our national government. And our rights don't come just from the Constitution. Rights to life, liberty and property are given by our Creator and are unalienable.

So, since Trump did not take Garcia's life, his property, or his liberty, (well, two out of three ain't bad - depending on how you spin it) Garcia's rights were not violated.

At worst, a bad immigration court decision was violated. Oh, the horror. 😲
We liberated him to El Salvador Blame them for taking away his freedom 😎
 
It's a matter of principle, which is why the Trump cult doesn't get it. This guy was under a court order not to be deported to El Salvador and now he is there in a maximum security prison despite never having been charged with a crime. I understand he's not a good guy but that is immaterial. If Trump wanted him deported he could easily have done it legally using existing process.
The court order was in 2019 and it was obeyed. Garcia was not deported at that time.

It's 2025. Trump gave him a free plane ticket back to his homeland and the El Salvadoran prison system gave him free room and board. The peaceful transition of power and residency. It's marvelous in our eyes. Christ is King. ✝️ 🇷🇺
 
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The court order was in 2019 and it was obeyed. Garcia was not deported at that time.

It's 2025. Trump gave him a free plane ticket back to his homeland and the El Salvadoran prison system gave him free room and board. The peaceful transition of power and residency. It's marvelous in our eyes. Christ is King. ✝️ 🇷🇺
That’s not true. In 2019, an immigration judge granted Garcia “withholding of removal” status, a form of protection that barred his deportation to El Salvador due to the high risk of persecution by gangs there. This protection did not have an expiration date and remained in effect as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. There is no public record indicating that this order was ever rescinded or expired.

This is where due process should have come into play. If Trump had just followed the rules and went through the court, this guy would never have been deported to El Salvador… and they admitted to this to SCOTUS.
 
Trump didn't violate the 2019 order. That order applied the law to the facts at that time. The facts have changed. For example, he's no longer a minor.

Trump, like Biden, saw his opening and took it. Trump claims it was a administrative SNAFU. it's Trump's turn to play Game of Thrones.

Were Garcia a citizen, he'd need a hearing. Were he being criminally prosecuted, he'd need a hearing. This is all political gamesmanship. One judge says one thing and you just need to fish for a court that will say another thing. Ever watch those judge appointment hearings where they ask nominees to answer a direct question? Those tell us all we need to know about the caliber and character of our judges. Ketanji Brown Jackson could not define the word "woman", and we're supposed to care about an El Salvadoran's gang banger status?

He's MS-13.... He's not MS-13. He's a male.
He's female. It all depends on what the meaning of is is. It's all fun and games until you're on the losing end.

They'll all keep on playing with fire until they burn it all down.

None of that is true. The court ordered his status change in 2019. They never changed it. Due process applies to illegal aliens as much as it applies to citizens. SCOTUS restated that in one of their recent opinions.

The guy is in a ****ing prison. How do you incarcerate someone from a civil proceeding? He’s being treated as a criminal without due process.

I get it, you guys will support Trump with whatever he does. But don’t ever come here with your originalist/constitutionalist/libertarian bullshit ever again. You believe in the sanctity of the constitution as much as Trump does. And you believe in states rights as much as Trump does. And you’d burn the country down in order to get yours. The ends justifies the means.
 
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That’s not true. In 2019, an immigration judge granted Garcia “withholding of removal” status, a form of protection that barred his deportation to El Salvador due to the high risk of persecution by gangs there. This protection did not have an expiration date and remained in effect as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. There is no public record indicating that this order was ever rescinded or expired.

This is where due process should have come into play. If Trump had just followed the rules and went through the court, this guy would never have been deported to El Salvador… and they admitted to this to SCOTUS.

FWIW, there indeed was an order and Trump should have been more savvy in handling this particular case.

I just finally located the 2019 order granting the withholding of removal. I am going to look at it more thoroughly, but I don't see any language supporting your claim:

"...as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. "

The more I research this, the more I hate Biden and the Democrat Party for causing this clusterf*ck. He's never getting asylum and his family found a loop hole in the law so they can stay and get free stuff. Why would any American be happy about this?

This reminds me of Deuteronomy 28

"But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee"
 
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None of that is true. The court ordered his status change in 2019. They never changed it. Due process applies to illegal aliens as much as it applies to citizens. SCOTUS restated that in one of their recent opinions.

The guy is in a ****ing prison. How do you incarcerate someone from a civil proceeding? He’s being treated as a criminal without due process.

I get it, you guys will support Trump with whatever he does. But don’t ever come here with your originalist/constitutionalist/libertarian bullshit ever again. You believe in the sanctity of the constitution as much as Trump does. And you believe in states rights as much as Trump does. And you’d burn the country down in order to get yours. The ends justifies the means.
I want all these illegal immigrants gone. I'd support Kamala if she did it. States have rights. It says so in that constitution you like to reference.

If this is our future, burn it down.

#Live free or die
#Enforce amendments 9 and 10
 
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FWIW, there indeed was an order and Trump should have been more savvy in handling this particular case.

I just finally located the 2019 order granting the withholding of removal. I am going to look at it more thoroughly, but I don't see any language supporting your claim:

"...as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. "

The more I research this, the more I hate Biden and the Democrat Party for causing this clusterf*ck. He's never getting asylum and his family found a loop hole in the law so they can stay and get free stuff. Why would any American be happy about this?

This reminds me of Deuteronomy 28

"But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee"
BPKY for Lair Hall of Fame!
 
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I want all these illegal immigrants gone. I'd support Kamala if she did it. States have rights. It says so in that constitution you like to reference.

If this is our future, burn it down.

#Live free or die
#Enforce amendments 9 and 10
At least you admit you will endure whatever it takes to get these illegals out of the country…. even if it means you sacrifice living in a constitutional republic. That sentiment is common with that of Germans in pre-Nazi Germany.

You would rather suspend the constitution and let Trump roll the military through our cities for the sake of expediency than do this the proper, constitutional way over a decade or two.

And FWIW, Biden had a bipartisan plan for immigration. The GOP killed it.
 
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At least you admit you will endure whatever it takes to get these illegals out of the country…. even if it means you sacrifice living in a constitutional republic. That sentiment is common with that of Germans in pre-Nazi Germany.

You would rather suspend the constitution and let Trump roll the military through our cities for the sake of expediency than do this the proper, constitutional way over a decade or two.

And FWIW, Biden had a bipartisan plan for immigration. The GOP killed it.
Nice try. That's not what I said, but whatever.

Tell us more about this bipartisan plan than was piggybacked on a Ukraine funding bill.

And by all means, keep dying on Garcia hill.

Roll Trump roll! 😄
 
The court order was in 2019 and it was obeyed. Garcia was not deported at that time.

It's 2025. Trump gave him a free plane ticket back to his homeland and the El Salvadoran prison system gave him free room and board. The peaceful transition of power and residency. It's marvelous in our eyes. Christ is King. ✝️ 🇷🇺
Nice trolling. Kudos.
 
He was given his due process in 2019 when the court rejected his claim for asylum. He was immediately eligible for deportation. ICE chose not to act then but that did not take away their ability to do so at any time. The only mistake was violating the order not to send him to El Salvador. If he does get back to the ISA, he will be here about 2 minutes before he gets deported somewhere else.

So yea, that was the mistake. He wasn't allowed to be deported to El Salvador. Say whatever you want about the case, but that was the judge's ruling. I don't have any issue with deporting an illegal alien, even if they have no criminal history. But I just want judge's orders followed. Bring him back and deport him somewhere else but therein lies the problem? What country is going to take him in? The answer is none and its why he didn't get deported before. The US doesn't want him. He isnt allowed to go to El Salvador so he's essentially stuck in the US unless another country takes him.
 
It’s a matter of principle? And why are you the arbiter of it? Why do you pick and choose when to be principled?
In the US we provide due process as a vital part of our Representative Democracy and Constitutional Republic. It is a core principle of who and what we are....or at least used to be before Trump made all of that a quaint reminder of who we used to be before his assault on our institutions and our long held ideals and character.
 
What order did Biden ignore regarding student loans? I’m only aware of him complying every time they were challenged and tweaking the programs to fit within the orders of the courts. You know, how the system is supposed to work.

That bloody tyrant Biden! He wanted oligarchs to pay for the student loans of the middle class. What a terrible dictator!
 
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Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. This is all stupidity and the Dems are useful idiots. They don’t have to be outraged over this. They don’t have to side with thugs. There doesn’t have to be a line of private jets lined up in DC ready to fly congressmen to El Salvador. If you’re wondering why this has taken tariffs off the front page, don’t point at Trump. Point at the far left dolts in media and the DNC. This is an 80/20 issue. The economy isn’t.

Smart people understand that this guy was probably no saint. However, defying a court order and effectively sentencing him to life in prison without no criminal records and no due process is scary as shit. It's outrageous. Bring him back and find another country to deport him to.
 
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FWIW, there indeed was an order and Trump should have been more savvy in handling this particular case.

I just finally located the 2019 order granting the withholding of removal. I am going to look at it more thoroughly, but I don't see any language supporting your claim:

"...as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. "

The more I research this, the more I hate Biden and the Democrat Party for causing this clusterf*ck. He's never getting asylum and his family found a loop hole in the law so they can stay and get free stuff. Why would any American be happy about this?

This reminds me of Deuteronomy 28

"But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee"
Which of the Commandments has Trump adhered to? Just wondering?
 
Smart people understand that this guy was probably no saint. However, defying a court order and effectively sentencing him to life in prison without no criminal records and no due process is scary as shit. It's outrageous. Bring him back and find another country to deport him to.
If he's even alive. I bet he's dead.
 
1) I agree that the level of due process varies, but there was NO due process here. ICE took on the roll of judge and jury. And instead of treating it as a civil matter (deportation), they sent this man to prison (criminal) for life with no evidence, no trial, no justice. And they did it in spite of an existing court order protecting him from deportation (civil) to El Salvador in general.

2) The Dems didn’t have their “turn”. The Biden administration didn’t do anything that violated the constitution, and if ANY court told them they had they would reverse their action. The legal system lacks legitimacy only because the Trump administration is intentionally undermining it. That is super dangerous.
I repeat. His due process occurred in 2019 when he was denied asylum and immediately eligible for deportation.
 
FWIW, there indeed was an order and Trump should have been more savvy in handling this particular case.

I just finally located the 2019 order granting the withholding of removal. I am going to look at it more thoroughly, but I don't see any language supporting your claim:

"...as long as the conditions justifying it persisted. "

The more I research this, the more I hate Biden and the Democrat Party for causing this clusterf*ck. He's never getting asylum and his family found a loop hole in the law so they can stay and get free stuff. Why would any American be happy about this?

This reminds me of Deuteronomy 28

"But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee"
Check the document carefully. I looked at it yesterday. There seems to be an anomaly. The discussion about torture is all about El Salvador. But the Conclusion on page 13 states "Guatemala".

 
I repeat. His due process occurred in 2019 when he was denied asylum and immediately eligible for deportation.
Due process isn’t a single event. To change the status from the prior court’s order, another hearing should have been held where he would be given another opportunity to be heard based on his conduct over the past 6 years and the government could have presented their evidence under oath.

I don’t know if you’re intentionally being obtuse or if you just don’t understand the concept. I am happy to give a more detailed explanation of an illegal alien’s due process rights under the constitution of the US.

However, to state it simply: if we no longer provide due process to illegal aliens residing within the US, everyone (including US citizens) is at risk of being deported without being given their day in court. You could be “administratively errored” into an El Salvadoran prison and never heard from again if you piss off some asshole ICE agent making $100,000 a year. That is a dangerous precedent to set for an administration already shitting all over the constitution.
 
I repeat. His due process occurred in 2019 when he was denied asylum and immediately eligible for deportation.

He was immediately eligible for deportation, just NOT to El Salvador. That's the point. If the judge said he can be deported to El Salvador, then I am a million percent fine with that. He said no El Salvador so the US had to find a different country to take him. That was too hard so they said eff the rule of law, we are just going to defy the court order and call it an administrative error.
 
So yea, that was the mistake. He wasn't allowed to be deported to El Salvador. Say whatever you want about the case, but that was the judge's ruling. I don't have any issue with deporting an illegal alien, even if they have no criminal history. But I just want judge's orders followed. Bring him back and deport him somewhere else but therein lies the problem? What country is going to take him in? The answer is none and its why he didn't get deported before. The US doesn't want him. He isnt allowed to go to El Salvador so he's essentially stuck in the US unless another country takes him.
Hondorus and Nicaragua both said rhey would take him...and.....wait for it......throw him in jail.
 
Due process isn’t a single event. To change the status from the prior court’s order, another hearing should have been held where he would be given another opportunity to be heard based on his conduct over the past 6 years and the government could have presented their evidence under oath.

I don’t know if you’re intentionally being obtuse or if you just don’t understand the concept. I am happy to give a more detailed explanation of an illegal alien’s due process rights under the constitution of the US.

However, to state it simply: if we no longer provide due process to illegal aliens residing within the US, everyone (including US citizens) is at risk of being deported without being given their day in court. You could be “administratively errored” into an El Salvadoran prison and never heard from again if you piss off some asshole ICE agent making $100,000 a year. That is a dangerous precedent to set for an administration already shitting all over the constitution.
Nope. The court made its determination in 2019. ICE chose not to act then for whatever reason. But it doesn't matter. The court order stands until changed and it never was. ICE chose to move on it this year.
 
He was immediately eligible for deportation, just NOT to El Salvador. That's the point. If the judge said he can be deported to El Salvador, then I am a million percent fine with that. He said no El Salvador so the US had to find a different country to take him. That was too hard so they said eff the rule of law, we are just going to defy the court order and call it an administrative error.
I said that. Why are you trying to argue with something I agree with?
 
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