I have a legitimate question.
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How many times do I have to tell you that I already stated that? Why do all of you want to argue something I agree with?
How though? Would he be given a trial? If so, I am fine with deporting him there. But to send him to Honduras or Nicaragua where he will be sentenced to life in prison without a criminal record is just something I have a huge problem with. That said, I am much more supportive of deporting him to Honduras or Nicaragua for immediate jailing on arrival than sending to El Salvador, where a judge barred him from being sent.
Why do you say things that aren't true?
I don't care about this man in the slightest. I care that he gets due process.
Just as I would for you. It's a dangerous precedent and slippery slope we're walking. I'd appreciate if you didn't use hyperbole and say things you know aren't true.
Thou shalt drive out the wokeness that would lead children to confuse their gender and thereby decrease my anger towards the nation.
The gospel of Mar-a-Lago 6:9
Interesting. He entered this country unlawfully and will never qualify for asylum.
He deserves to be deported as there is no reason to remain, other than he might be in some potential future danger.
Effectively, the judge denied his request for asylum yet still granted him asylum. And he never accounted for this confusion in his order. These are the kind of judges we are saddled with. They are a burden and not a blessing.
One moment more spent worrying about this foreigner's bad karma is a waste of time and tax money. There's no slope here.
It’s so clear. Always has been since the start of the lockdowns. You’re a freedom lover or you ain’t.
The slope is they defied a judge's orders with the end result being life in prison for a man with no criminal record. He shouldn't have been in the US and I don't know if he was MS13 or not but he has no record and the judge said no El Salvador. You cannot just defy a judge's ruling especially when someone's life is at stake. Trump has openly talked about sending American citizen criminals to El Salvador. The slope is steeper than you think. Have you read about the 1930s and 1940s in Italy and Germany? It starts somewhere. Does it get all the way there? No. But let's not start.
Hes El Salvadoran. He was scared of gangs. El Salvador doesn’t have gangs like we do. The alleged trafficker and known wife beater can go back.
My grandpas fought in WW2. Yinz didn’t.
U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...
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I’m not sympathetic. We just got hit with 20 million illegals intended to vote for globalization.U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...www.yahoo.com
“Based on her inspection of his birth certificate and Social Security card, Riggans said she found no probable cause for the charge.” Yea but what was the cause. Juan obviously committed a crime.
And his Mom committed another felony with a fakeU.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...www.yahoo.com
Honestly. Why are you defending evil?U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...www.yahoo.com
They got their due process. Maybe you should try and understand what that term means?
The parallels are obvious, yes. But you do realize that the left in those countries were destabilizing society just like the left is doing here right now, right? If you want to play the history game, that's fine.
Don't invite an invasion and then complain about the reaction. Read the room. Nobody who doesn't have green hair and over 20 piercings is buying the Dems as champions of democracy any longer. Their act is stale.
It will be an exciting midterm.
He’s here illegally. He’s a gang member. He used that as an excuse to not be deported because he feared retribution from a rival gang. What other due process does he deserve. ?
You should petition to have him come live with you since you care so much about criminal gang members
What they fail to realize is he used the excuse that a rival gang in El Salvador would kill him if he was deported back to His home country. So he’s MS13 when it’s convenient and he’s not MS13 when it’s not.
What’s not accurate?
That he’s here illegally ?
That he’s MS13?
That he beat his wife ?
The Truth About Kilmar Abrego Garcia
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not just a “Maryland father” caught up in a bureaucratic mess. He is a criminal alien who entered our country illegally in 2011. That’s a federal crime under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, punishable by fines or up to six months in prison for a first offense. And his case didn’t end with one illegal entry.
He is a documented MS-13 gang member, a group rightly labeled “barbaric” by the Department of Homeland Security for its involvement in rape, child trafficking, and brutal murders. In El Salvador alone, MS-13 and its rival gangs were responsible for 20,000 murders in just three years (Crisis Group). ICE labeled Abrego Garcia a “verified” gang member and opposed his bond based on police reports that tied him directly to gang activity. El Salvador’s own president stated that Abrego Garcia is wanted there for human trafficking.
This is not a man we should be defending as some misunderstood immigrant. He’s had multiple hearings in U.S. immigration courts over more than a decade. In fact, he lost at least three separate deportation cases. He is, by every legal definition, removable from the United States.
Here’s where it gets complicated: in 2020, Immigration Judge David M. Jones granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador, citing the risk of persecution by Barrio 18—a rival gang. This gang no longer exists That meant he couldn’t be deported specifically to El Salvador, but it didn’t erase the deportation order. It simply restricted the destination.
ICE, however, deported him to El Salvador anyway on March 15, 2025, which the Trump administration later acknowledged as an “administrative error.” That act violated the court order, and on April 4, 2025, Judge Paula Xinis ruled that it was illegal under U.S. law, ordering his return on the grounds that he would face “irreparable harm” in El Salvador’s infamous CECOT prison.
That’s the due process failure—not what’s happening in El Salvador now. Once he was removed, jurisdiction transferred to their government.
This raises a broader question: Should the United States dictate to El Salvador what they do with their own citizens—especially one they claim is an MS-13 gang leader wanted for trafficking? Their president is leading a national crackdown on violent gangs, with over 80,000 gang arrests since 2022, many without formal charges. That may not reflect our due process standards, but it’s not our system to control.
Some say it’s wrong to detain someone without charges. Fair point—but that’s El Salvador’s call, not ours. The only due process violation on our end was ICE deporting him to a country he was protected from. That doesn’t make him a martyr. It makes ICE negligent—but it doesn’t absolve Abrego Garcia of his criminal past or gang ties.
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not just a “Maryland father” caught up in a bureaucratic mess. He is a criminal alien who entered our country illegally in 2011. That’s a federal crime under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, punishable by fines or up to six months in prison for a first offense. And his case didn’t end with one illegal entry.
He is a documented MS-13 gang member, a group rightly labeled “barbaric” by the Department of Homeland Security for its involvement in rape, child trafficking, and brutal murders. In El Salvador alone, MS-13 and its rival gangs were responsible for 20,000 murders in just three years (Crisis Group). ICE labeled Abrego Garcia a “verified” gang member and opposed his bond based on police reports that tied him directly to gang activity. El Salvador’s own president stated that Abrego Garcia is wanted there for human trafficking.
This is not a man we should be defending as some misunderstood immigrant. He’s had multiple hearings in U.S. immigration courts over more than a decade. In fact, he lost at least three separate deportation cases. He is, by every legal definition, removable from the United States.
Here’s where it gets complicated: in 2020, Immigration Judge David M. Jones granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador, citing the risk of persecution by Barrio 18—a rival gang. This gang no longer exists That meant he couldn’t be deported specifically to El Salvador, but it didn’t erase the deportation order. It simply restricted the destination.
ICE, however, deported him to El Salvador anyway on March 15, 2025, which the Trump administration later acknowledged as an “administrative error.” That act violated the court order, and on April 4, 2025, Judge Paula Xinis ruled that it was illegal under U.S. law, ordering his return on the grounds that he would face “irreparable harm” in El Salvador’s infamous CECOT prison.
That’s the due process failure—not what’s happening in El Salvador now. Once he was removed, jurisdiction transferred to their government.
This raises a broader question: Should the United States dictate to El Salvador what they do with their own citizens—especially one they claim is an MS-13 gang leader wanted for trafficking? Their president is leading a national crackdown on violent gangs, with over 80,000 gang arrests since 2022, many without formal charges. That may not reflect our due process standards, but it’s not our system to control.
Some say it’s wrong to detain someone without charges. Fair point—but that’s El Salvador’s call, not ours. The only due process violation on our end was ICE deporting him to a country he was protected from. That doesn’t make him a martyr. It makes ICE negligent—but it doesn’t absolve Abrego Garcia of his criminal past or gang ties.
They detained an American citizen. And shady is defending it:
Thanks goodness he was released this morning.
Hillary got one thing right in 2016, you MAGA are a bunch of unprincipled, deplorables.
The ends justifies the means now, and I just hope you’ve over played your hand.
Yeah, he should have been dumped in Guatemala or somewhere else than El Salvador. That's you're best shot at claiming lack of due process. Your hyperbole and virtue signaling has been noted. Here's a cookie. 🍪
His family had a popusa business which the gang wanted to extort. If this was the big threat, why didn't he file for asylum?
SMF and bobfree posted a few legit facts, but their narrative is myopic IMO. The judicial branch examined a case 5 years ago. It barred relocation to El Salvador. The judge only addressed a snapshot in time without any consideration of the larger situation.
The Executive Branch has much greater issues to deal with but they did miss on a technicality here. Suddenly this one off event is the cause celebre du jour for the leftists. Like you said, wonder what they will come up with next.
Our national house is on fire and they are arguing about the color of the wall paper.
Popusa business too? Where am i supposed to go without avacados and coffee.. gotta cut my funding for Tiger blood.
