Majors left to go home. Sherrill left because Bozik was a faming, meddling idiot like Pedersen. Neither guy left because of money and John Majors has said on any number occasions he wishes he hadn't left. Sorry but neither departure fits your " it's the fans fault" agenda.
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Beside the blue bloods (Kentucky, Kansas) and even marginally appealing programs like (byu, nc state etc. here is a list of schools that have a higher ranked commit than we do for next season.....
Teams that have higher ranked commits than we do for next season. Umass (2), Nebraska (2), New Mexico, Harvard (2), San Diego state, Vanderbilt, providence, Xavier (2), butler (2), fla state(2),Yale, ok state, northwestern (2) Nevada (2), unlv, Utah state, seton hall, Arizona state (2), Mississippi state (4), usc, Georgia (2)south Florida, Stanford, South Carolina, penn state (2), Alabama, Oregon state, Cincinnati, Memphis, vcu, Minnesota, auburn (2), this doesn't count another 30 teams that you would expect. That's really awful
Some quick takeaways.
I bet you would find beside a couple schools we have better attendance, better financial commitment from our admin, and a higher paid coach. If you look at our recruiting classes the last 2-3 years it's easy to see why we are in the position we are in. And while I like kithcart we just have zero Momentum on the recruiting trail right now.
Teams that have higher ranked commits than we do for next season. Umass (2), Nebraska (2), New Mexico, Harvard (2), San Diego state, Vanderbilt, providence, Xavier (2), butler (2), fla state(2),Yale, ok state, northwestern (2) Nevada (2), unlv, Utah state, seton hall, Arizona state (2), Mississippi state (4), usc, Georgia (2)south Florida, Stanford, South Carolina, penn state (2), Alabama, Oregon state, Cincinnati, Memphis, vcu, Minnesota, auburn (2), this doesn't count another 30 teams that you would expect. That's really awful
Some quick takeaways.
I bet you would find beside a couple schools we have better attendance, better financial commitment from our admin, and a higher paid coach. If you look at our recruiting classes the last 2-3 years it's easy to see why we are in the position we are in. And while I like kithcart we just have zero Momentum on the recruiting trail right now.
I'll stop being a broken record on Pitt's financial issues when people stop being a broken record with "why can't we be like Louisville?", "why can't we sustain anything?", "why doesn't anybody want to come here?" and pretend like the answer isn't money.
Louisville not having to pay out any of their revenue for scholarships due to their endowment is a massive, massive, MASSIVE advantage over Pitt.
Dixon's $1.4MM base salary isn't attracting anybody to come here, either.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if within 2-3 years that's the case. We beat big time programs for recruits this year. Jamie should go talk to Duz, might learn something. You just don't know your history. You're a child of the 90's and your inferiority complex is based on your experiences.
No doubt more money a program has makes fixing their mistakes a lot easier and faster. However, you need to win over and over again. If you want to get to that place.
Not the other way around.
That is 100% a pro sports mentality.
There's no draft in college sports to distribute talent.
Wins follow money in college sports. Plain and simple.
So please tell me all these programs that have stunk for 30 years. Who still have a ton of fans that go to games and pay big money to help their programs compete against the bigboys????????
I think that is overly simplistic. Of course good coaches and players trump all. But we have managed to keep Jamie (for better or worse for some) so I am not sure where this money or lack of is directly responsible for the downfall of the program? I just am not putting it together. Unless you are talking about paying players or such, then I am inclined to agree. But that is against NCAA rules.
I not going to keep going back and forth.
However, the only SEC teams who have stunk for long periods of time when talking about football is Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Their attendance is not better than Pitt's.
Doce Taqueria. Just had lunch there a couple of weeks ago. It is good...but I like the old school, stand up joints like in front of Las Palmas in Bloomfield or Edgar's in the Strip. I like mine served authentically. Great meat of your choice, onions and cilantro, squeeze of lime. I don't want mine all gringo'd up with cheese and lettuce or slaw or sour cream, etc... Now I do think putting a salsa on them is acceptable.
Doce Taqueria was neat, enjoyed it. But like those stands around Pittsburgh better.
No. No matter what, in football specifically and especially, the lack of fan support, the infrastructure that so many teams enjoy by being the defacto Pro football franchise in their regions will always limit our ceiling. Always.
That's true....and that will always be a limiter on to what our programs can do. But let's face it, in this day and age, coaches are always mobile. Always. Whether it is Pitt, Notre Dame, Florida, USC or even GREENBOW ALABAMA!
Wow Souf, you just lost a lot of credibility claiming that reason for why Majors and Sherrill left. 100% Wrong in both cases.
I actually agree, but I would argue that our margin of error is very small, compared to the "big boys", just like we are seeing in hoops now. A few mistakes sends you right back down.
Sherrill left to become the highest paid coach in college football. Fact.
Majors left to lead his home program which was a bigger name than Pitt, fact.
South Carolina is a good example.
Hell so was Alabama pre saban.
Ole miss, miss state, Tennessee has been in turmoil.
When you have money and boosters you have a chance to get it right.
It's why Michigan can dump Brady hoke and richrod and lure harbaugh.
Nice try Souf, now you are evening twisting your own words. You made a blanket statement that they left for more money at a bigger program.
So change your wording now on Majors to add the real reason why he left.
And if you think Sherrill leaving was all about money, no reason to debate with you.
Well for staters you need a first class coach. Without that, you have no chance.
Not sure how you define that. We just hired a career assistant to run the FB program. He could turn out to be good, time will tell.
Pitt really has a much better chance to be a consistent top 25 Fb team than a Bb team due to the local talent base to recruit from. They can't even get 40,000 to Fb games unless it's a great opponent and then they have historically lost those games which kills the momentum of the program to attract fans . The bb team now can't fill the Pete. Who comes first the chicken ( fans ) or the egg ( $$$$ ). If they spend money they don't have will they make it up down the road or not ? Or do they keep taking ACC money and hope to have competitive teams every now and then. It's not up to anyone except the chancellor and his cronies . Their new to this ,but we'll know the answer in a few years. It will either get better or it won't . Maybe they'll surprise us ,let's hope.
Did he or did he not leave and become the highest paid coach in college football?
I don't have to twist my wOrds or meaning.. They are mine.
What's up with you and Steven Adams? Are you related to him? The dude averaged 7 and 6. He was Gary McGhee. That's it. I liked McGhee. I liked Adams. I wished we had a guy like McGhee or Adams but on the college level, both were just "good" college centers, nothing special.
Adams is doing good in the NBA. Good for him. At Pitt, he wasnt anything special.
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