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Interesting Boeheim interview. Worth a read.

Idc how the stalling thing looks, the guy was a lazy ass. I agree with everything else though. If we don't want people to say things like that we should've hired a coach that was an upgrade, not an obviously humongous downgrade.
 
This is classic Boeheim:

"That group of people, if there really is a group like that, probably are unemployed or idiots, never went to school. Or they're really, really smart lawyers and doctors that think they know everything and really, in reality, probably know what they're doing and know nothing else. "

Either unemployed idiots or really, really smart and successful. Got it.
 
I’m sure there will be lots of reaction to this. He takes a shot at Pitt. But worth a read.

https://articles.syracuse.com/orang...employed_or_idi.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Hmmmm... Generally he speaks the truth. However the general point gets diminished coming from a condensing, whiny cheater.

Hey Jimmy, since you want to be honest about other schools programs, let's talk about yours.

If it wasn't for the fact that you do cheat, you wouldn't have captured the ONLY championship you did win. What's that, 1 championship in 35 years????

You had some of the best talent of any school this side of North Carolina and Duke ever had, and you still couldn't win more.... You suck.
 
Nothin wrong with any of that. He is 100% correct. Bennett is a very good coach and so is Jamie. Ultimately, Barnes made a bad decision in making it so easy for Jamie to leave. The one issue with both of them is that they generally focus on defense first and defense doesn't win titles in college basketball. Those types of teams will always get beat by he team who plays carefree.
 
Thanks for posting. Boeheim is probably particularly sensitive about putting so much priority on tournament performance because of his own experience. Until Carmelo and company won that championship, he was under a lot of pressure, even losing a 2-15 game.
I really don't know what Pitt fans would believe is acceptable. Getting to the elite 8 each year isn't going to happen. Here is just hoping our next coach can win.
 
To me, the most interesting part of Boeheim's rant, as it relates to Pitt was his rip on the admin's decision to fight Stallings' buyout. I say interesting because it contradicts the narrative on this board that the coaching fraternity doesn't notice and doesn't care. Most folks on the board know I've supported Stallings, but despite that support, I've generally been in the camp that says fighting the buyout doesn't matter. I think it's bad form, but I figured it was a non-issue. Seeing Boeheim raise it suggests something very different.

My takeaway: Coaches know the Pitt admin didn't appreciate what it had, and coaches know that Pitt's trying to screw Stallings for doing nothing more than every other coach does.

What does that mean? Not sure, but we'll probably find out this week.
 
Nothin wrong with any of that. He is 100% correct. Bennett is a very good coach and so is Jamie. Ultimately, Barnes made a bad decision in making it so easy for Jamie to leave. The one issue with both of them is that they generally focus on defense first and defense doesn't win titles in college basketball. Those types of teams will always get beat by he team who plays carefree.
He’s not 100% correct. Pitt is not reneging because their coach yelled at his players.
 
He’s not 100% correct. Pitt is not reneging because their coach yelled at his players.

I know for an absolute fact that that's the only thing they had (yelling at his players) when they announced his firing and that they're now conducting a witch hunt, trying to find things for the supposed file that they said they had.
 
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I know for an absolute fact that that's the only thing they had (yelling at his players) when they announced his firing and that they're now conducting a witch hunt, trying to find things for the supposed file that they said they had.

Meh, that Stallings yelling at players thing is a load of crap.

CSU dumped Larry Eustachy for basically yelling at his players, and he was a proven winner.

If a bum like Stallings was yelling at his players to some extreme level they would’ve used that to can him earlier.
 
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Meh, that Stallings yelling at players thing is a load of crap.

CSU dumped Larry Eustachy for basically yelling at his players, and he was a proven winner.

If a bum like Stallings was yelling at his players to some extreme level they would’ve used that to can him earlier.

That's precisely my point. They know it's not enough, and they're digging for other stuff to try to bolster their "for cause" argument. I've been planning to post about said witch hunt but have been enjoying Madness too much to take the time. Will try to do so tomorrow to shed some light on it
 
Look... this is so easy. Stallings didn’t give a shit, he was like the high priced free agent that was paid and quit, his team played terrible. His coaching wasn’t good at all and he lost bad. It wasn’t like he lost close games this guy got beat by 25+ by 30+ by 50+. His team scored 7 pts in a half. Let’s be real he was an awful HC for the fans, for the team maybe they loved him, but for the fans and for the results he was terrible.

Coach Boeheim is right we ran Dixon out of town for no reason. Mistake. Let’s moce past it. Hire a new coach and support him. No one could support Stallings bc he was an enormous asshole. Rant finished.
 
I know for an absolute fact that that's the only thing they had (yelling at his players) when they announced his firing and that they're now conducting a witch hunt, trying to find things for the supposed file that they said they had.
He's on video yelling at fans in the stands at Louisville. And his narrative that he was "defending his players" is provably false. The KY fans were heckling HIM over past losses to KY whike coaching Vandy.That's in tape too. And got national publicity on Sports Center and the Washington Post.

Whether that is enough, along with backing out of unofficial visits to watch his son play baseball, is for the courts to determine.

But, your "absolute fact" statement is wrong.
 
There's probably a group of 5 people that really know what they have on Stallings.

As for Jimmy, that's about as self serving a rant I've ever read. Tournament losses don't matter, coaches need to get their money, and another scumbag coach is really the salt of the earth.
 
Nothin wrong with any of that. He is 100% correct. Bennett is a very good coach and so is Jamie. Ultimately, Barnes made a bad decision in making it so easy for Jamie to leave. The one issue with both of them is that they generally focus on defense first and defense doesn't win titles in college basketball. Those types of teams will always get beat by he team who plays carefree.
You can be a great defensive team and win, you just need elite talent. Howland never won a title, but he did go to three straight final fours at UCLA. Those teams were basically Pitt with NBA prospects. I agree with your general premise, but I think it's more talent than system.
 
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He's on video yelling at fans in the stands at Louisville. And his narrative that he was "defending his players" is provably false. The KY fans were heckling HIM over past losses to KY whike coaching Vandy.That's in tape too. And got national publicity on Sports Center and the Washington Post.

Whether that is enough, along with backing out of unofficial visits to watch his son play baseball, is for the courts to determine.

But, your "absolute fact" statement is wrong.
You don’t know everything that was said during the entire game . If they didn’t suspend him for it obviously isn’t cause for firing him .
The players support for him kills most other issues .
He just was a bad hire that’s on Pitt not him .
 
You don’t know everything that was said during the entire game . If they didn’t suspend him for it obviously isn’t cause for firing him .
The players support for him kills most other issues .
He just was a bad hire that’s on Pitt not him .

I don’t know what went on or is going on. But in the context of his contract, support from the players means NOTHING. Zero.
 
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He's on video yelling at fans in the stands at Louisville. And his narrative that he was "defending his players" is provably false. The KY fans were heckling HIM over past losses to KY whike coaching Vandy.That's in tape too. And got national publicity on Sports Center and the Washington Post.

Whether that is enough, along with backing out of unofficial visits to watch his son play baseball, is for the courts to determine.

But, your "absolute fact" statement is wrong.

Nothing you just said contradicts what I wrote. Nothing. I said all they have is yelling. You then talked about how they have yelling.

And backing out of unofficial visits? Seriously? C'mon. That's a joke.

They're looking for real things. They're investigating. Turning over rocks. Interviewing staff and players. Trying to find dirt. Because they know yelling and the silliness being discussed on this board (backing out of unofficial visits and napping in a gym) will get laughed out of court or arbitration. They were hoping KS would flinch, and he hasn't so now they have to push forward with the "cause" idea. But they don't have what they need for cause, so they're looking for it.
 
Sleeping at high school games and cancelling paid recruiting trips = no dinero Kevin.

I'm not defending Stallings. I really don't care if Pitt pays him or not. But the posters on this board and fans in general buying into this nonsense are just silly. I've looked at that picture and am still trying to figure out what's going on there. The picture was taken in the gym at John Carroll University here in Ohio, you can see the name right on the chairs. But it looks like it might be high school players in the picture, or potentially AAU. Who cares? He was there with his assistant coach. He may have seen what he needed to see at that point and not needed to see more. He may have already offered the kid he was watching and was just there to make an appearance. Who knows? And who the f*&^%$ really cares?

In the midst of an FBI investigation of players getting paid $100,000, Pitt's going to have a difficult time making a case for cause because KS was Rip Van Winkle in a gym or changed his recruiting schedule. He can recruit who he wants when he wants. He's the coach, and he dictates that. If his skipping recruiting stops costs him recruits or means Pitt isn't competitive, well, then he gets fired for sucking at his job but not for "cause." ... Pitt's looking for real "cause." They're looking for NCAA violations. Ethical breaches. Significant issues to put pressure on KS to settle or compromise on the buyout amount. They're interviewing pretty much anyone and everyone associated with the program to find anything they can.
 
I'm not defending Stallings. I really don't care if Pitt pays him or not. But the posters on this board and fans in general buying into this nonsense are just silly. I've looked at that picture and am still trying to figure out what's going on there. The picture was taken in the gym at John Carroll University here in Ohio, you can see the name right on the chairs. But it looks like it might be high school players in the picture, or potentially AAU. Who cares? He was there with his assistant coach. He may have seen what he needed to see at that point and not needed to see more. He may have already offered the kid he was watching and was just there to make an appearance. Who knows? And who the f*&^%$ really cares?

In the midst of an FBI investigation of players getting paid $100,000, Pitt's going to have a difficult time making a case for cause because KS was Rip Van Winkle in a gym or changed his recruiting schedule. He can recruit who he wants when he wants. He's the coach, and he dictates that. If his skipping recruiting stops costs him recruits or means Pitt isn't competitive, well, then he gets fired for sucking at his job but not for "cause." ... Pitt's looking for real "cause." They're looking for NCAA violations. Ethical breaches. Significant issues to put pressure on KS to settle or compromise on the buyout amount. They're interviewing pretty much anyone and everyone associated with the program to find anything they can.


No one is buying into anything. Dude went 0-forever. Win and you keep your job. Lose and you get fired. It’s as black and white as that honky.
 
I know for an absolute fact that that's the only thing they had (yelling at his players) when they announced his firing and that they're now conducting a witch hunt, trying to find things for the supposed file that they said they had.
You do?!?! So now you are connected in the Pitt AD? Why haven't you told Stallings' lawyers? Because the only thing they referenced was him yelling at Louisville fans mid game. It seems they would bring up that weak argument and not the Louisville incident, if Pitt didn't include that and only reference yelling at Pitt players.

You have SO MUCH inside info on Pitt for a guy who was just a HS coach of a Pitt student and wasn't a fan 2 years ago under a different coaching staff!
 
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No one is buying into anything. Dude went 0-forever. Win and you keep your job. Lose and you get fired. It’s as black and white as that honky.

Yeah. What's your point? This discussion is about the fact that PItt is attempting to fire Stallings "for cause." And Boeheim recognizes what Pitt's trying to do, and other coaches likely do too.
 
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You don’t know everything that was said during the entire game . If they didn’t suspend him for it obviously isn’t cause for firing him .
The players support for him kills most other issues .
He just was a bad hire that’s on Pitt not him .
Again, that is not how it works. Publicly Pitt has more than that, before even considering what else occurred behind closed doors.
 
Yeah. What's your point? This discussion is about the fact that PItt is attempting to fire Stallings "for cause." And Boeheim recognizes what Pitt's trying to do, and other coaches likely do too.

The point is the cause is him being an enormous jag off. And being a coach who can’t win. He was a jerk and couldn’t win. Would be different if he was a jerk and won.
 
Seeing Boeheim raise it suggests something very different

It only suggests that he is looking through it purely as a coaching fraternity matter. He spent 0 minutes analyzing the totality of what Stallings actions where here. Sorta like all this crap we were fed about Stallings being an offensive genius. The head coach of Syracuse has as no insight as to what Stallings did or didn't do on a day to day basis or in what ways he may have been out of line.
 
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And you have no idea what evidence they have.
 
He's on video yelling at fans in the stands at Louisville. And his narrative that he was "defending his players" is provably false. The KY fans were heckling HIM over past losses to KY whike coaching Vandy.That's in tape too. And got national publicity on Sports Center and the Washington Post.

Whether that is enough, along with backing out of unofficial visits to watch his son play baseball, is for the courts to determine.

But, your "absolute fact" statement is wrong.

He was defending himself.
 
He's on video yelling at fans in the stands at Louisville. And his narrative that he was "defending his players" is provably false. The KY fans were heckling HIM over past losses to KY whike coaching Vandy.That's in tape too. And got national publicity on Sports Center and the Washington Post.

Whether that is enough, along with backing out of unofficial visits to watch his son play baseball, is for the courts to determine.

But, your "absolute fact" statement is wrong.

I think you could add being a no-show at university events (if his apparently unexpected absence at the football kick-off banquet was what it appeared on the surface) and photographic evidence of him sleeping on the job while he's supposed to be scouting.

But this will assuredly be settled out of court.
 
I'm not defending Stallings. I really don't care if Pitt pays him or not. But the posters on this board and fans in general buying into this nonsense are just silly. I've looked at that picture and am still trying to figure out what's going on there. The picture was taken in the gym at John Carroll University here in Ohio, you can see the name right on the chairs. But it looks like it might be high school players in the picture, or potentially AAU. Who cares? He was there with his assistant coach. He may have seen what he needed to see at that point and not needed to see more. He may have already offered the kid he was watching and was just there to make an appearance. Who knows? And who the f*&^%$ really cares?

In the midst of an FBI investigation of players getting paid $100,000, Pitt's going to have a difficult time making a case for cause because KS was Rip Van Winkle in a gym or changed his recruiting schedule. He can recruit who he wants when he wants. He's the coach, and he dictates that. If his skipping recruiting stops costs him recruits or means Pitt isn't competitive, well, then he gets fired for sucking at his job but not for "cause." ... Pitt's looking for real "cause." They're looking for NCAA violations. Ethical breaches. Significant issues to put pressure on KS to settle or compromise on the buyout amount. They're interviewing pretty much anyone and everyone associated with the program to find anything they can.
I wouldn't be so sure it has to be an NCAA violation. You can get fired for sucking at a job with cause, if you have something to back up your claim. Losing every conference game doesn't do it, but neglecting basic duties does.

Now the Louisville heckler, yeah that's pretty absurd. I've heard rumors there was an anger management clause in his contract (don't know how true), but that's the only thing that could even maybe make that an issue at all. Other than that, I agree that's a pretty weak argument for cause.
 
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