Every Hall of Fame has different definitions of what they are supposed to be looking for. Perhaps you could look them up and then get back to us.
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Every Hall of Fame has different definitions of what they are supposed to be looking for. Perhaps you could look them up and then get back to us.
In Waner's best season by batting average, 1930 (he only played 68 games that season so I am assuming he was hurt), the overall National League batting average was .303.
So yes, batting .300 meant something. That you were only slightly below average.
Context matters. It is much, much harder to hit .300 today that it was back then.
There is nothing very impressive about an outfielder averaging .316 in the jackrabbit ball era of the 20’s and 30’s, especially when considering Clemente compiled his .317 in the pitching friendly era of the 60’s and 70’s. It was not uncommon for whole team batting averages to be over .300 for a season in Waner’s time.
Waner is one of the few Hall of Famers with a sub 30 WAR and is one of the first mentioned anytime the least deserving members are discussed.
I’m not saying the guy wasn’t a good player, just that he has no business being in the Hall of Fame.
When hitting .300 meant something? My grandmother could have ripped those 74-mph meatballs through the gap.
In 1930 there were 76 players (on only 16 teams) that his .300+, last year there were 9 (out of 30 teams). There are people from that era with .330 BA that didn't make the HOF, because half the lineups would have made it (And many did thanks to the Veteran's Committee).
Bill Sweeney hit .295 in nearly 500 at bats in 1931 but got benched and sent down to the minors because the peanut vendor was hitting .317.
edit: It appears I stopped reading this thread a page too soon and now just feel like I'm piling on.
Out of the more than 20,000 players that have played major league baseball, Lloyd Waner is 61st all-time in career batting average, but you dismiss it. Ok.
MLB Baseball Career Batting Leaders - Major League Baseball - ESPN
Look for your favorite MLB slugger in this impressive list of baseball's top 500 career batting leaders.
The best performers are going to be at least somewhat famous to the fans. I just disagree that a Hall of Fame induction is what bestows fame upon someone. They already have it to some degree. In fact, Maz might have gained more fame for all the times he didn't make it and the debate about it. If a player's career stats are borderline Hall of Fame worthy, I have no problem with their fame being the deciding factor. Namath or Fred Couples for example.
YOU DO IT! You're the one who made a vague statement. THEN YOU post the answer here.
The difference between you an I (or, well, at least one of the differences) is that I already know the answer. In your best SMF style, you have no idea what the answer is so you want someone to spoon feed it to you.
Of course even when someone does that, if it's not what you wanted to hear you don't believe it anyway.
Once again, context matters.
Clemente's .317 isn't a wee little bit better than Waner's .316, it's better by leaps and bounds. Can you seriously not understand that?
Oh, you like stats?Out of the more than 20,000 players that have played major league baseball, Lloyd Waner is 61st all-time in career batting average, but you dismiss it. Ok.
MLB Baseball Career Batting Leaders - Major League Baseball - ESPN
Look for your favorite MLB slugger in this impressive list of baseball's top 500 career batting leaders.www.espn.com
There are only 19 HOF Center Fielders, Lloyd Waner is one of them.
He is 89th among CF in WAR. with a career of 29.8 (The average HOF CF has a 71.7 WAR).
His 7-year Peak WAR is 23.7, good enough for 111th out of all CF (Average HOF CF Peak-7 is 44.7).
He has 27 career Home Runs (Average HOF CF has 242).
He has 596 RBIs (104th among CFs).
He has a -2.1 dWAR (351st among CFs).
He has a .747 OPS (187th among CFs).
His black ink total is 10 (Average HOF player has 27).
His Gray Ink is 71 (Average HOF player has 144).
When did I say it wasn't???? You're the one dissing a hall of famer with a lifetime .316 average that is 61st all-time. Pay attention. This discourse is over.
Of course it's over. It's been over for a while now. The rest of us are just humoring ourselves at your expense at this point.
You don't know the answer, you're just a stupid, arrogant, know it all blowhard that is clueless but still pounding your chest as if you got 800 on the SAT, but really didn't do that good.
