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DT_PITT

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** Oh, how good it feels to feel this way again.

** With great plays I was shouting and with bad plays I was screaming.

** My Son said to me “I don’t like when you are like this … I feel like you are mad.” I replied that I couldn’t be happier to be this intensely and emotionally involved in the Pitt Basketball game again.

** The Panthers did so many things right in the first half that it was magnificent, and they did so many wrong things in the second half that it was maddening. But its own way, it was a wonderful sense of maddening, wasn’t it?

** Still, the plain and simple truth to this tremendous effort by the Panthers is that Iowa won because they are just a little bit better than us.

** And that alone is a pretty extraordinary, even glorious, statement seven games into this year. Never for a moment four weeks ago would I have thought such a thing would be true.

** One could easily have said that the Panthers actually should have won this game. But they clearly lost their composure on offense at so many important moments throughout the second stanza.

** But to me it’s perfectly reasonable to say that the Panthers basically don’t know how to make these plays in the second half. They are young and new with a new coach, and they whole darn crew is still figuring so many things out.

** For too many possessions, they either rushed into turnovers or they just didn’t know where to go with the ball.

** They didn’t know how to find JWF for shots.

** They forced drives that weren’t there.

** The wrong guys took shots they shouldn’t.

** But with seconds to go in this game on the road, despite all the things they didn’t do right in the second half, we still had the ball to shoot to win the game.

** That last ten seconds was pretty much like the whole second half for the whole team. Trey tried to win it all himself. Just like X had tried to do too much himself, as did Terrell and Malik.

** These are all things these Panthers will learn as this season goes on.

** But the real reason we were only just a shot short of an incredible win was some pretty intense defense and some strong rebounding.

** Before the game I got a little word from one in the know that the worry inside the Pitt camp would be whether or not we could stop a very strong inside team who was scoring 88 points a game.

** After what I saw in the first half, I figured we could keep scoring the ball well enough, but wasn’t sure if the Hawkeyes could be stopped.

** But of course, it was quite the opposite. Surprising, but ultimately understandable, and even in its own way, encouraging.

** There will likely be times, and teams, when the Panthers won’t be able make stops this season. We just lack too many pieces. But these young guys made a bunch of tough and critical stops when it really mattered in the game’s homestretch. We just didn’t know what play to make on the other end.

** Let’s also take note of the fact that we even outrebounded the much bigger Iowa by one.

** As for as the Panther MVP’s … three guys must be called out for highest marks.

** First Trey was good, not perfect, but strong enough to continue to tell us his future is bright, and that this could even come fairly quickly is he can learn from his tougher moments tonight.

** Second, Kene was more than good – he was downright remarkable. Might he have been the game’s best big man on this day? He’s becoming a craftier finisher, and battled like a madman against his formidable foes. Congrats Kene.

** I defended Kene against many fans who didn’t want him to stick around, saying that I believed that he was better last year than most Panther fans thought he was. But I didn’t think he was good. Instead, maybe just someone who could help a little more than he did last year.

** I never expected anything near what he brought tonight.

** And then there was Xavier. He was somewhat beyond extraordinary in the first half, and of course had a much tougher go of it in the second.

** But he was still every bit the exceptional player we have come to believe we have going for us this year. The test now for Xavier, and his Head Coach, is how quickly all the lessons he learned in tonight’s second half will soak into his psyche. This could be the difference between a pretty darn good freshman year and something much more than that.

** Or the difference between getting paid six, or seven figures to play basketball as a professional in a few years.

** I’m not going to end by offering my “congrats” to the Panthers and Head Coach Jeff Capel for an excellent effort tonight. I believe that would be disrespectful to the team as it appears they have already moved beyond this, well ahead of schedule.

** Instead I’ll just offer my thanks. Thank you for making a loss -- even a tremendously encouraging loss like this one – hurt once again.
 
IMO, the difference was experience. By the end of this year or next year at the latest, we wont see the bad TO's we saw in the second half which really is why the team lost. Also Trey likely will be able to convert that last second shot attempt. He was able to get open but rushed his shot.

I know Im beating a dead horse but its amazing how the fortunes of Pitt hoops have changed in a few short months,
 
Definitely a tell of 2 halves for Pitt. Watching the 1st half I felt we could compete with a good many teams and for an ncaa bid this year, 2nd half not so much.

Didn’t quite see the MVP performance from Trey that you’re describing. Although he was better than Malik or Toney tonight. Malik had a few rushed turnovers. After the game, I was thinking ‘I don’t remember Toney contributing anything tonight good or bad’.
 
Definitely a tell of 2 halves for Pitt. Watching the 1st half I felt we could compete with a good many teams and for an ncaa bid this year, 2nd half not so much.

Didn’t quite see the MVP performance from Trey that you’re describing. Although he was better than Malik or Toney tonight. Malik had a few rushed turnovers. After the game, I was thinking ‘I don’t remember Toney contributing anything tonight good or bad’.

Trey was excellent on offense in the first half and very strong on defense in the second.
 
DT, I agree wholeheartedly with you. It’s been fun to watch this team play so far.

The thing I take out of it is that Capel has this team ready to play out of the gate and the players do the little things right. They’re physical, giving good effort, picking each other up after plays. I didn’t see too many “dumb” mistakes tonight. The errors they made are due to their youth and inexperience; they’ll get there.
 
I forgot what it was like to be nervous and into the game. Granted, not yet like I used to be during the H/D era but its actually a great feeling to have that nervous energy watching a game.

We don't give Capel's hires enough credit. 3 former HC's. I thought Milan Brown was really good at Mt St Mary's. Watched some of them during the RMU glory days and always figured he would be a major D1 coach and we got him as an assistant.

I think we also discounted what Capel learned during his apprenticeship. Hate to say this, but I had him pegged as a Gottfried-style "roll the balls out" guy who could bring in high level players and win on talent but this team seems extremely well coached, especially defensively which is rare for frosh
 
Not all games against ranked teams are going to be like this.

They clearly took to the challenge, first big game on this new team with this new coach, they were motivated all game but hit a wall in the second half.

They never lost their fight and that's why they had a chance to win at the end. This is what you want to see in a new team in its first big game. Will they be like this in every big game? No. But they are playing way better than a preseason last place pick in the ACC, and that should continue.

Further down the line, and I think it will be sometime this season, they won't hit that wall and win this type of game. Or not get in this situation, in a good way. This team looks versatile and motivated on defense, and the flashes are there on offense. The biggest thing holding it back is lack of experience. That will change.
 
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I dvred the game and haven't watched yet, but this has to be considered a great surprise.....a road game against a ranked team in a different time zone is problematic for a top 5 team.....I've been away from Pitt Hoops for a while as well and hoping this is the start is Capel doing something special
 
The had some turnovers but Iowa is a really good team and they weren’t just going to go down easy
 
** Oh, how good it feels to feel this way again.

** With great plays I was shouting and with bad plays I was screaming.

** My Son said to me “I don’t like when you are like this … I feel like you are mad.” I replied that I couldn’t be happier to be this intensely and emotionally involved in the Pitt Basketball game again.

** The Panthers did so many things right in the first half that it was magnificent, and they did so many wrong things in the second half that it was maddening. But its own way, it was a wonderful sense of maddening, wasn’t it?

** Still, the plain and simple truth to this tremendous effort by the Panthers is that Iowa won because they are just a little bit better than us.

** And that alone is a pretty extraordinary, even glorious, statement seven games into this year. Never for a moment four weeks ago would I have thought such a thing would be true.

** One could easily have said that the Panthers actually should have won this game. But they clearly lost their composure on offense at so many important moments throughout the second stanza.

** But to me it’s perfectly reasonable to say that the Panthers basically don’t know how to make these plays in the second half. They are young and new with a new coach, and they whole darn crew is still figuring so many things out.

** For too many possessions, they either rushed into turnovers or they just didn’t know where to go with the ball.

** They didn’t know how to find JWF for shots.

** They forced drives that weren’t there.

** The wrong guys took shots they shouldn’t.

** But with seconds to go in this game on the road, despite all the things they didn’t do right in the second half, we still had the ball to shoot to win the game.

** That last ten seconds was pretty much like the whole second half for the whole team. Trey tried to win it all himself. Just like X had tried to do too much himself, as did Terrell and Malik.

** These are all things these Panthers will learn as this season goes on.

** But the real reason we were only just a shot short of an incredible win was some pretty intense defense and some strong rebounding.

** Before the game I got a little word from one in the know that the worry inside the Pitt camp would be whether or not we could stop a very strong inside team who was scoring 88 points a game.

** After what I saw in the first half, I figured we could keep scoring the ball well enough, but wasn’t sure if the Hawkeyes could be stopped.

** But of course, it was quite the opposite. Surprising, but ultimately understandable, and even in its own way, encouraging.

** There will likely be times, and teams, when the Panthers won’t be able make stops this season. We just lack too many pieces. But these young guys made a bunch of tough and critical stops when it really mattered in the game’s homestretch. We just didn’t know what play to make on the other end.

** Let’s also take note of the fact that we even outrebounded the much bigger Iowa by one.

** As for as the Panther MVP’s … three guys must be called out for highest marks.

** First Trey was good, not perfect, but strong enough to continue to tell us his future is bright, and that this could even come fairly quickly is he can learn from his tougher moments tonight.

** Second, Kene was more than good – he was downright remarkable. Might he have been the game’s best big man on this day? He’s becoming a craftier finisher, and battled like a madman against his formidable foes. Congrats Kene.

** I defended Kene against many fans who didn’t want him to stick around, saying that I believed that he was better last year than most Panther fans thought he was. But I didn’t think he was good. Instead, maybe just someone who could help a little more than he did last year.

** I never expected anything near what he brought tonight.

** And then there was Xavier. He was somewhat beyond extraordinary in the first half, and of course had a much tougher go of it in the second.

** But he was still every bit the exceptional player we have come to believe we have going for us this year. The test now for Xavier, and his Head Coach, is how quickly all the lessons he learned in tonight’s second half will soak into his psyche. This could be the difference between a pretty darn good freshman year and something much more than that.

** Or the difference between getting paid six, or seven figures to play basketball as a professional in a few years.

** I’m not going to end by offering my “congrats” to the Panthers and Head Coach Jeff Capel for an excellent effort tonight. I believe that would be disrespectful to the team as it appears they have already moved beyond this, well ahead of schedule.

** Instead I’ll just offer my thanks. Thank you for making a loss -- even a tremendously encouraging loss like this one – hurt once again.
I would add that I thought N'Dir brought a lot of great defense and brought some nice offense in the first half. I like him a lot on this team. Would have liked to see him playing a little point and shifting X to the 2 spot so X could have penetrated more from the wings.
 
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I dvred the game and haven't watched yet, but this has to be considered a great surprise.....a road game against a ranked team in a different time zone is problematic for a top 5 team.....I've been away from Pitt Hoops for a while as well and hoping this is the start is Capel doing something special
I really want to rewatch the game also. If Capel had 3 more timeouts in the second half, we won. Game pace just sped up too much for our young guys, and we forgot basics like setting and using screens, we started to stand around and not move, and X just needed some time to slow down and process what he was seeing and thinking instead of just reacting by using his instincts and taking it to the basket to much when he wasn't as effective. Plus we ran out of gas.
 
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I thought Ellison was our worst player tonight. I’m sorry but all those chirps about him being our best player in practice last season can nearly be debunked. I think the only reason he played as many minutes as he did was because of JWF foul trouble. He just has no flow or nuance to his game.

Overall a great game from Pitt. Still something to build on. I think when Trey watches the game he will realize if he went hard at the hoop he could have dunked it. Seemed to studder at the start of his drive.
 
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It definitely was the first time I was mad about a loss in 3 years. So there is that.
I hope they take it out on Duquesne Friday. Losing sucks.
 
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I was traveling and could only follow the game on ESPN game cast. is there a replay out there somewhere on the internet ?
 
Last year, this game we would lose by 30.

Xavier Johnson is going to make a lot of ACC schools fans (and coaches) ask themselves, "why didn't we recruit this guy?" He is good. He also went a bit to school in the 2nd half and will learn sometimes let the game come to him instead of forcing things.

Trey, wow that move, he shows glimpses of being a star. He is a work in progress. But he is so athletic.

Imagine this Panther fans, these two are our backcourt for the foreseeable future. Let that sink in, and if you are a Pitt basketball fan, you can't be too disappointed knowing this.

Kene/Terrell probably had the best "five" game against legit competition in a few years.

I also wished they put the ball more in JWF's hands in the 2nd half instead of forcing plays.

It is part of the process.

We are going to beat some teams this year.

Just an amazing transformation from the crap we have watched over the past two years.

We can get after teams.

This is fun, the future is bright, let's enjoy this.
 
** Oh, how good it feels to feel this way again.

** With great plays I was shouting and with bad plays I was screaming.

** My Son said to me “I don’t like when you are like this … I feel like you are mad.” I replied that I couldn’t be happier to be this intensely and emotionally involved in the Pitt Basketball game again.

** The Panthers did so many things right in the first half that it was magnificent, and they did so many wrong things in the second half that it was maddening. But its own way, it was a wonderful sense of maddening, wasn’t it?

** Still, the plain and simple truth to this tremendous effort by the Panthers is that Iowa won because they are just a little bit better than us.

** And that alone is a pretty extraordinary, even glorious, statement seven games into this year. Never for a moment four weeks ago would I have thought such a thing would be true.

** One could easily have said that the Panthers actually should have won this game. But they clearly lost their composure on offense at so many important moments throughout the second stanza.

** But to me it’s perfectly reasonable to say that the Panthers basically don’t know how to make these plays in the second half. They are young and new with a new coach, and they whole darn crew is still figuring so many things out.

** For too many possessions, they either rushed into turnovers or they just didn’t know where to go with the ball.

** They didn’t know how to find JWF for shots.

** They forced drives that weren’t there.

** The wrong guys took shots they shouldn’t.

** But with seconds to go in this game on the road, despite all the things they didn’t do right in the second half, we still had the ball to shoot to win the game.

** That last ten seconds was pretty much like the whole second half for the whole team. Trey tried to win it all himself. Just like X had tried to do too much himself, as did Terrell and Malik.

** These are all things these Panthers will learn as this season goes on.

** But the real reason we were only just a shot short of an incredible win was some pretty intense defense and some strong rebounding.

** Before the game I got a little word from one in the know that the worry inside the Pitt camp would be whether or not we could stop a very strong inside team who was scoring 88 points a game.

** After what I saw in the first half, I figured we could keep scoring the ball well enough, but wasn’t sure if the Hawkeyes could be stopped.

** But of course, it was quite the opposite. Surprising, but ultimately understandable, and even in its own way, encouraging.

** There will likely be times, and teams, when the Panthers won’t be able make stops this season. We just lack too many pieces. But these young guys made a bunch of tough and critical stops when it really mattered in the game’s homestretch. We just didn’t know what play to make on the other end.

** Let’s also take note of the fact that we even outrebounded the much bigger Iowa by one.

** As for as the Panther MVP’s … three guys must be called out for highest marks.

** First Trey was good, not perfect, but strong enough to continue to tell us his future is bright, and that this could even come fairly quickly is he can learn from his tougher moments tonight.

** Second, Kene was more than good – he was downright remarkable. Might he have been the game’s best big man on this day? He’s becoming a craftier finisher, and battled like a madman against his formidable foes. Congrats Kene.

** I defended Kene against many fans who didn’t want him to stick around, saying that I believed that he was better last year than most Panther fans thought he was. But I didn’t think he was good. Instead, maybe just someone who could help a little more than he did last year.

** I never expected anything near what he brought tonight.

** And then there was Xavier. He was somewhat beyond extraordinary in the first half, and of course had a much tougher go of it in the second.

** But he was still every bit the exceptional player we have come to believe we have going for us this year. The test now for Xavier, and his Head Coach, is how quickly all the lessons he learned in tonight’s second half will soak into his psyche. This could be the difference between a pretty darn good freshman year and something much more than that.

** Or the difference between getting paid six, or seven figures to play basketball as a professional in a few years.

** I’m not going to end by offering my “congrats” to the Panthers and Head Coach Jeff Capel for an excellent effort tonight. I believe that would be disrespectful to the team as it appears they have already moved beyond this, well ahead of schedule.

** Instead I’ll just offer my thanks. Thank you for making a loss -- even a tremendously encouraging loss like this one – hurt once again.

DT--Thanks for your dribbles once again. I am so very amazed and pleased by the coaching (Xs & Os and in game management) upgrade over the past two seasons. Kudos to Capel and assistants for that vast improvement. The talented young guys are also a delight to watch and they will improve over time.

The only thing i would quibble about is the primary reason for the 2nd half offensive performance drop off by our guys. IMHO, it was less due to our guys inexperience related mistakes than it was to Iowa ratcheting up its defense. Our guys will no doubt continue to improve with experience. However, future opponents will also be taking a lesson from Iowa and playing us tighter on the perimeter and will attempt to force our guards further out from the hoop to start the offense as did Iowa in the 2nd half.

As stated, Iowa did a terrific job in the second half of reducing the effectiveness of our dribble penetration by increased defensive intensity and by forcing our guards to begin their penetration attempts from further away from the basket beyond the 3-point arc.

I believe Iowa didn't fully realize going into the game that they would need to exert so much defensive pressure to prevent our guards driving effectively to the hoop. So once they made half-time adjustments to exert more defensive pressure and intensity and to make X-man and company begin their attempts at dribble penetration from further out they then played to the level they were capable of from the start.

IMHO, had Iowa played the 1st half defensively the way they played the 2nd half they would have won by the low-double digit margin they were expected to win by as they won the 2nd by 7 points (a 29-22 margin).
 
And just like that. We have our team back. Hallelujah hallelujah. Thank God almighty!
 
Thanks DT for you usual post game post. You are correct, it's so much fun to watch a competitive, well coached team again.
 
I don't know how anyone wouldn't have thought that spending all those yrs with Coach K as both a player and assitant wouldn't make JC a good bench coach .
I'm also sure the makeup of his staff is no accident , don't underestimate JC and co .

I know Chewy struggled shooting the ball last yr , but I heard he was far better in practice . Until the game slows down , if it ever does for you , some guys just can't perform when the lights turn on . The game is slowing down for him.

As with Chewy I wouldn't be down on Ellison yet , remember he hasn't played in a real game for over a yr .

Thought Brown played well in his limited court time .

X`s game will get better as his decision making gets better and he stops forcing too much . That's what experience teaches you .

Talking about X , is he the best 3* you've ever seen ?Hopefully Pitt will get a similar rated big man !

Iowa won last night because of experience and better outside shooters .

If you don't like watching how this team plays , win or lose your not a bb fan . They play all out for 40 minutes .
 
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DT--Thanks for your dribbles once again. I am so very amazed and pleased by the coaching (Xs & Os and in game management) upgrade over the past two seasons. Kudos to Capel and assistants for that vast improvement. The talented young guys are also a delight to watch and they will improve over time.

The only thing i would quibble about is the primary reason for the 2nd half offensive performance drop off by our guys. IMHO, it was less due to our guys inexperience related mistakes than it was to Iowa ratcheting up its defense. Our guys will no doubt continue to improve with experience. However, future opponents will also be taking a lesson from Iowa and playing us tighter on the perimeter and will attempt to force our guards further out from the hoop to start the offense as did Iowa in the 2nd half.

As stated, Iowa did a terrific job in the second half of reducing the effectiveness of our dribble penetration by increased defensive intensity and by forcing our guards to begin their penetration attempts from further away from the basket beyond the 3-point arc.

I believe Iowa didn't fully realize going into the game that they would need to exert so much defensive pressure to prevent our guards driving effectively to the hoop. So once they made half-time adjustments to exert more defensive pressure and intensity and to make X-man and company begin their attempts at dribble penetration from further out they then played to the level they were capable of from the start.

IMHO, had Iowa played the 1st half defensively the way they played the 2nd half they would have won by the low-double digit margin they were expected to win by as they won the 2nd by 7 points (a 29-22 margin).
I do agree with most of this. I think Iowa deserves alot of credit for playing better 2nd half defense. They knew they would lose if they continued to let X drive to the hole with ease. They pushed us out further and the on ball defense was better. It seemed to me that they were sagging off our wing players, except for JWF because they knew he was our best shooter. I don't know if it was our spacing or what that allowed them to sag inward and tighten entry into the lane, but, X had a hell of a time getting in there in the 2ND stanza. I wish we had one more shooter we could count on, that would help prevent a team like Iowa from sagging in and tightening entry into the lane. I definitely don't want us to settle for chucking up 3's, that was last year's garbage. That said, in the 2nd half, if we took a couple of 3's and made them, I think it would have opened up our dribble drive.

One other point in regard to us. Capel can obviously teach and demand alot from his players. Brown and Kene in particular could barely hedge without fouling and got embarrassed on ball screens regularly last season. These guys are so much better defensively. In addition, working the freshman and Sidy in with our bigs, Capel has done a remarkable job at teaching help defense. Maybe it is the athleticism is so much better this year. Maybe these kids are just more aware. Whatever it is, our man to man defense is really solid so far. Maybe it will get exposed when we play quicker teams, but so far you have to be impressed. My only gripe at this point is we need to close out on 3 point shooters a little better.
 
I don't know how anyone wouldn't have thought that spending all those yrs with Coach K as both a player and assitant wouldn't make JC a good bench coach .
I'm also sure the makeup of his staff is no accident , don't underestimate JC and co .

I know Chewy struggled shooting the ball last yr , but I heard he was far better in practice . Until the game slows down , if it ever does for you , some guys just can't perform when the lights turn on . The game is slowing down for him.

As with Chewy I wouldn't be down on Ellison yet , remember he hasn't played in a real game for over a yr .

Thought Brown played well in his limited court time .

X`s game will get better as his decision making gets better and he stops forcing too much . That's what experience teaches you .

Talking about X , is he the best 3* you've ever seen ?Hopefully Pitt will get a similar rated big man !

Iowa won last night because of experience and better outside shooters .

If you don't like watching how this team plays , win or lose your not a bb fan . They play all out for 40 minutes .
Kene should not shoot outside shots .
Don’t tell me about practice.
Just like all the chatter about Ellison.

He’s actually what I expected- a lesser Chris Jones
 
Kene should not shoot outside shots .
Don’t tell me about practice.
Just like all the chatter about Ellison.

He’s actually what I expected- a lesser Chris Jones
I am ok with Kene taking a few outside shots to keep the defense honest. he has a decent shot and should shoot a good percentage when wide open, not forced.


I still think Ellison is going to have some good games for this team.
 
I am ok with Kene taking a few outside shots to keep the defense honest. he has a decent shot and should shoot a good percentage when wide open, not forced.


I still think Ellison is going to have some good games for this team.


If I'm not mistaken, the announcer last night referred to Kene as "the Swedish star".

Probably not the most accurate verbal portrait I've ever heard. If he continues to improve he can be a very serviceable player, though.
 
I am ok with Kene taking a few outside shots to keep the defense honest. he has a decent shot and should shoot a good percentage when wide open, not forced.


I still think Ellison is going to have some good games for this team.
I think kene is shooting below 20 % from 3 for his career.

If he shoots from 3 he should be benched.

We need him in the paint
 
** Oh, how good it feels to feel this way again.

** With great plays I was shouting and with bad plays I was screaming.

** My Son said to me “I don’t like when you are like this … I feel like you are mad.” I replied that I couldn’t be happier to be this intensely and emotionally involved in the Pitt Basketball game again.

** The Panthers did so many things right in the first half that it was magnificent, and they did so many wrong things in the second half that it was maddening. But its own way, it was a wonderful sense of maddening, wasn’t it?

** Still, the plain and simple truth to this tremendous effort by the Panthers is that Iowa won because they are just a little bit better than us.

** And that alone is a pretty extraordinary, even glorious, statement seven games into this year. Never for a moment four weeks ago would I have thought such a thing would be true.

** One could easily have said that the Panthers actually should have won this game. But they clearly lost their composure on offense at so many important moments throughout the second stanza.

** But to me it’s perfectly reasonable to say that the Panthers basically don’t know how to make these plays in the second half. They are young and new with a new coach, and they whole darn crew is still figuring so many things out.

** For too many possessions, they either rushed into turnovers or they just didn’t know where to go with the ball.

** They didn’t know how to find JWF for shots.

** They forced drives that weren’t there.

** The wrong guys took shots they shouldn’t.

** But with seconds to go in this game on the road, despite all the things they didn’t do right in the second half, we still had the ball to shoot to win the game.

** That last ten seconds was pretty much like the whole second half for the whole team. Trey tried to win it all himself. Just like X had tried to do too much himself, as did Terrell and Malik.

** These are all things these Panthers will learn as this season goes on.

** But the real reason we were only just a shot short of an incredible win was some pretty intense defense and some strong rebounding.

** Before the game I got a little word from one in the know that the worry inside the Pitt camp would be whether or not we could stop a very strong inside team who was scoring 88 points a game.

** After what I saw in the first half, I figured we could keep scoring the ball well enough, but wasn’t sure if the Hawkeyes could be stopped.

** But of course, it was quite the opposite. Surprising, but ultimately understandable, and even in its own way, encouraging.

** There will likely be times, and teams, when the Panthers won’t be able make stops this season. We just lack too many pieces. But these young guys made a bunch of tough and critical stops when it really mattered in the game’s homestretch. We just didn’t know what play to make on the other end.

** Let’s also take note of the fact that we even outrebounded the much bigger Iowa by one.

** As for as the Panther MVP’s … three guys must be called out for highest marks.

** First Trey was good, not perfect, but strong enough to continue to tell us his future is bright, and that this could even come fairly quickly is he can learn from his tougher moments tonight.

** Second, Kene was more than good – he was downright remarkable. Might he have been the game’s best big man on this day? He’s becoming a craftier finisher, and battled like a madman against his formidable foes. Congrats Kene.

** I defended Kene against many fans who didn’t want him to stick around, saying that I believed that he was better last year than most Panther fans thought he was. But I didn’t think he was good. Instead, maybe just someone who could help a little more than he did last year.

** I never expected anything near what he brought tonight.

** And then there was Xavier. He was somewhat beyond extraordinary in the first half, and of course had a much tougher go of it in the second.

** But he was still every bit the exceptional player we have come to believe we have going for us this year. The test now for Xavier, and his Head Coach, is how quickly all the lessons he learned in tonight’s second half will soak into his psyche. This could be the difference between a pretty darn good freshman year and something much more than that.

** Or the difference between getting paid six, or seven figures to play basketball as a professional in a few years.

** I’m not going to end by offering my “congrats” to the Panthers and Head Coach Jeff Capel for an excellent effort tonight. I believe that would be disrespectful to the team as it appears they have already moved beyond this, well ahead of schedule.

** Instead I’ll just offer my thanks. Thank you for making a loss -- even a tremendously encouraging loss like this one – hurt once again.
Great to see how your mood has changed from 9 months ago. I remember a short conversation when Pitt was at it's lowest where you felt it could take 4 or 5 long years to come back to prominence. I told you it would happen sooner, but obviously we are way ahead of even my optimistic thoughts.

You hit it right on the head. It felt great to cheer and yell and bitch for all the right reasons again.
 
Last year, this game we would lose by 30.

Xavier Johnson is going to make a lot of ACC schools fans (and coaches) ask themselves, "why didn't we recruit this guy?" He is good. He also went a bit to school in the 2nd half and will learn sometimes let the game come to him instead of forcing things.

Trey, wow that move, he shows glimpses of being a star. He is a work in progress. But he is so athletic.

Imagine this Panther fans, these two are our backcourt for the foreseeable future. Let that sink in, and if you are a Pitt basketball fan, you can't be too disappointed knowing this.

Kene/Terrell probably had the best "five" game against legit competition in a few years.

I also wished they put the ball more in JWF's hands in the 2nd half instead of forcing plays.

It is part of the process.

We are going to beat some teams this year.

Just an amazing transformation from the crap we have watched over the past two years.

We can get after teams.

This is fun, the future is bright, let's enjoy this.
Just think how strong we will be inside when Kene/Terrell are coming off the bench to back up Akok and Wahab.
 
I think kene is shooting below 20 % from 3 for his career.

If he shoots from 3 he should be benched.

We need him in the paint

My posts last year, and early this year echoed what you just posted about
Chuka's shooting, I'm pretty certain I was the loudest critic of his shooting
threes on this board. I'm now willing to give him one or two per game as long
as he's taking them when open, or when the rhythm of the offense presents itself.
You're right about anyone shooting below 20% for his career shouldn't be shooting
them. He's 50+% from the field overall, but only 2 for 10 (20%) from three land,
so your point is well taken. As long as he's working inside as he is this year, I'm
ok with what Capel is doing with him.
I'm pretty sure if Capel didn't allow these few attempts, Chuka's ass would be benched
if he even attempted one three.


 
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Great "dribbles." Good look at the end to win despite the lack of a time or and a lack of Xavier Johnson. If Ellison scored his usual 10 instead of 4, we also win. It was the most fun I had watching a Pitt loss in...IDK how many years. Frustrating but fun.
 
I thought Ellison was our worst player tonight. I’m sorry but all those chirps about him being our best player in practice last season can nearly be debunked. I think the only reason he played as many minutes as he did was because of JWF foul trouble. He just has no flow or nuance to his game.


Ellison's numbers by season:

Fr: 85.2 ORating, 3.0 OReb%, 9.6 DReb%, 24.9 Assist Rate, 28.4 Turn Rate, 77.7 FTRate, 65.3 Ones, 39.5 Twos, 31.8 Threes
So: 97.3 ORating, 2.9 OReb%, 11.7 DReb%, 18.5 Assist Rate, 22.0 Turn Rate, 39.9 FTRate, 59.5 Ones, 48.2 Twos, 34.1 Threes
Jr: 99.8 ORating, 4.8 OReb%, 8.4 DReb%, 13.2 Assist Rate, 14.7 Turn Rate, 51.7 FTRate, 56.7 Ones, 49.1 Twos, 20.0 Threes (only five attempts)

He's basically the same guy that he was at St. John's. Which is, for the most part, what we all should have expected.
 
Ellison's numbers by season:

Fr: 85.2 ORating, 3.0 OReb%, 9.6 DReb%, 24.9 Assist Rate, 28.4 Turn Rate, 77.7 FTRate, 65.3 Ones, 39.5 Twos, 31.8 Threes
So: 97.3 ORating, 2.9 OReb%, 11.7 DReb%, 18.5 Assist Rate, 22.0 Turn Rate, 39.9 FTRate, 59.5 Ones, 48.2 Twos, 34.1 Threes
Jr: 99.8 ORating, 4.8 OReb%, 8.4 DReb%, 13.2 Assist Rate, 14.7 Turn Rate, 51.7 FTRate, 56.7 Ones, 49.1 Twos, 20.0 Threes (only five attempts)

He's basically the same guy that he was at St. John's. Which is, for the most part, what we all should have expected.

Or how I indelicately described him
“Don’t tell me about practice.
Just like all the chatter about Ellison.

He’s actually what I expected- a lesser Chris Jones”
 
Or how I indelicately described him
“Don’t tell me about practice.
Just like all the chatter about Ellison.

He’s actually what I expected- a lesser Chris Jones”

He's a good athlete, he has good size for the position he plays. He is effective in those transition situations cause he can finish above the rim. But considering his pedigree or genetics, you would think he would be a better basketball player.
 
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I am ok with Kene taking a few outside shots to keep the defense honest. he has a decent shot and should shoot a good percentage when wide open, not forced.


I still think Ellison is going to have some good games for this team.
He did make a very timely 3 in the 2nd half.
 
Considering that we have six players playing the wing and guard positions
(Johnson, McGowens, Ellison, Frame, Tony, Sidy) we don't have to rely
on him as a "go to" player. He's older and has some experience, seemingly
a team leader, plays decent D, gets to the hoop pretty well, and appears
to be a good team player. He fits into this rotation very well IMO. He's
going to score in the 5-10 pt. range, and that's ok as long as he keeps
doing the other things well.
I know, I know...I didn't count Davis in this rotation. His time is going to be
even more limited than it is now IMO.
 
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