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Recent BB signings have Duquesne signing 4 players at 6'9 and above. While they are not to be confused with kentucky recruits, they appear to be part of a solid recruiting class. Drambot has pumped some life into that program and they appear close to overtaking Pitt if not there already. Hard to believe that Stallings can't get any bigs to give Pitt a bonafide center. It means little if Pitt upgrades the guard position, if they are going to get slammed on the boards. Most likely this will be the first year in ancient history that the Dukes will have a higher win total than Pitt. That is alarming! What's more alarming it appears that this trend will continue over the next few years unless Pitt can start recruiting some big men.
 
Recent BB signings have Duquesne signing 4 players at 6'9 and above. While they are not to be confused with kentucky recruits, they appear to be part of a solid recruiting class. Drambot has pumped some life into that program and they appear close to overtaking Pitt if not there already. Hard to believe that Stallings can't get any bigs to give Pitt a bonafide center. It means little if Pitt upgrades the guard position, if they are going to get slammed on the boards. Most likely this will be the first year in ancient history that the Dukes will have a higher win total than Pitt. That is alarming! What's more alarming it appears that this trend will continue over the next few years unless Pitt can start recruiting some big men.
They say that about every coach Duquesne has had since Rice.
 
Yeah, looks like Pitt is being passed.

59 December 19, 1990 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 84–65
60 January 6, 1992 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 93–69
61 December 19, 1992 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 102–91
62 December 30, 1993 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 77–66
63 December 19, 1994 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 76–72
64 November 29, 1995 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 84–73^
65 December 21, 1996 Civic Arena Pittsburgh 75–73
66 February 5, 1998 Civic Arena Duquesne 80–69
67 January 25, 1999 Mellon Arena Pittsburgh 65–60
68 December 20, 1999 Mellon Arena Pittsburgh 74–56
69 December 21, 2000 Mellon Arena Duquesne 71–70
70 December 22, 2001 Mellon Arena Pittsburgh 78–63
71 November 23, 2002 Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh 82–67
72 December 3, 2003 Palumbo Center Pittsburgh 59–45
73 December 4, 2004 Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh 87–57
74 December 7, 2005 Palumbo Center Pittsburgh 71–60
75 December 6, 2006 Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh 73–56
76 December 5, 2007 Palumbo Center Pittsburgh 73–68
77 December 3, 2008 Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh 78–51
78 December 2, 2009 Mellon Arena Pittsburgh 67–582OT
79 December 1, 2010 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 80–66
80 November 30, 2011 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 80–69
81 December 5, 2012 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 66–45
82 November 30, 2013 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 84–67
83 December 5, 2014 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 76–62
84 December 4, 2015 Consol Energy Center Pittsburgh 96–75
85 December 2, 2016 PPG Paints Arena Duquesne 64–55

Recent BB signings have Duquesne signing 4 players at 6'9 and above. While they are not to be confused with kentucky recruits, they appear to be part of a solid recruiting class. Drambot has pumped some life into that program and they appear close to overtaking Pitt if not there already. Hard to believe that Stallings can't get any bigs to give Pitt a bonafide center. It means little if Pitt upgrades the guard position, if they are going to get slammed on the boards. Most likely this will be the first year in ancient history that the Dukes will have a higher win total than Pitt. That is alarming! What's more alarming it appears that this trend will continue over the next few years unless Pitt can start recruiting some big men.
 
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Recent BB signings have Duquesne signing 4 players at 6'9 and above. While they are not to be confused with kentucky recruits, they appear to be part of a solid recruiting class. Drambot has pumped some life into that program and they appear close to overtaking Pitt if not there already. Hard to believe that Stallings can't get any bigs to give Pitt a bonafide center. It means little if Pitt upgrades the guard position, if they are going to get slammed on the boards. Most likely this will be the first year in ancient history that the Dukes will have a higher win total than Pitt. That is alarming! What's more alarming it appears that this trend will continue over the next few years unless Pitt can start recruiting some big men.
Dambot has LeBron on his resume and his excellent record at Akron.
There hasn't been a coach at Duquesne who coached LeBron James before or after Rice.
Drambot is also tied in to the upper Midwest AAU circuit including Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Detroit and Chicago.
Compare those areas with western Pennsylvania.
Western PA is the dung heap of high school basketball and offers zero chance at a recruiting base. Look at the recent "studs" from western PA. Tom Droney (yawn), Maverick Whatever (yawn), take a look at the 2016 Fab Five from the Compost-Gazette and tell me what league you can compete in with that level of skill.
Here is the link to that 2016 grpoup of hardwood pillow fighters. Oh the humanity...

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...hool-basketball-fab-five/stories/201603270110

Dambot will bring big upper Midwest type kids into Duquesne and he will do well. He was close enough to Pittsburgh to leave his recruiting connections intact.
Is Duquesne passing Pitt? They are gaining on Pitt while Pitt tries to recover from a fall. Likely they will pass Pitt at least briefly. Hopefully, they can both be good again and then great.
 
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I visited the Dukes board, and read through some of the threads, Apparently, what has really changed there is the mindset. Their new president is on board with fixing their basketball, and maybe even more importantly, they have a dynamic new AD, as opposed to the Steve Pederson clones they had before. They basically opened up the vault, and gave Dambrot everything he asked for with regard to salary, and budget for his staff. I don't expect Dambrot to turn them back into the kind of power they were when his dad was there, but I'll be shocked if they don't become a very solid program in the A10. His track record is very good. Should that worry Pitt? Not really, unless Pitt becomes a doormat in the ACC. Pitt as a solid ACC team, will beat a solid Dukes team most years (although it won't be as one sided as the past 35 years). The one thing I would worry a little bit about that I saw mentioned, is the fact that if somehow, Dambrot could turn them into a bellwether of the A10, the BE might become interested. The BE is pretty happy with the 10 team round robin, but ratings on FS1 have been pretty dismal, and there has been talk that Fox might push to add more markets. The dream has always been for UConn to come back, plus to add Gonzaga, but this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons. The most commonly discussed adds, Dayton, and VCU, are both small markets, plus Xavier is dead set against Dayton. Market wise, institutionally, and geographically, Duquesne and St. Louis are perfect fits, but the basketball is just not up to snuff. If somehow that changed, and the Dukes ended up in the BE, then they become a problem for Pitt, as they would then again be considered a major. The BE ain't the ACC, but it's a lot closer than the A10. The Dukes really lucked out getting Dambrot now. He's probably happy to still be close to his family in Akron, and at his age, he's unlikely to jump for another job. If he was 10 years younger, and turned awful Duquesne around, the big job offers would come flooding in, and he'd probably take one of them.
 
Yes, I think Duquesne has passed us up.

But that might not be such a bad thing. If Duquesne can become relevant again and if we can obtain close to the level of the past. Would make for great area basketball again, I'm sure those who can remember the great battles between Sam Clancy and Bruce Atkins would agree

Two strong college programs can only help the area and might even help revive the high school basketball around here.
 
1974...Norm Nixon vs. Billy Knight. pitt wins.
beat Syracuse with rudy hackett . beat virginia with gus gerard and wally walker

We go 25-4.

Lose to south carolina (mike Dunleavy and Alex English.) tournament loss to skywalker david thompson and NC state:

somehow the next year we beat national title competitor marquette without knight. but lose to duquense with nixon and don mclane. ridl's last year before handing it over to another buy me a vowel.
 
1974...Norm Nixon vs. Billy Knight. pitt wins.
beat Syracuse with rudy hackett . beat virginia with gus gerard and wally walker

We go 25-4.

Lose to south carolina (mike Dunleavy and Alex English.) tournament loss to skywalker david thompson and NC state:

somehow the next year we beat national title competitor marquette without knight. but lose to duquense with nixon and don mclane. ridl's last year before handing it over to another buy me a vowel.
I remember Thompson's fall like yesterday. Great NC St team, although they don't beat UCLA if the Final Four isn't in Carolina.
 
I visited the Dukes board, and read through some of the threads, Apparently, what has really changed there is the mindset. Their new president is on board with fixing their basketball, and maybe even more importantly, they have a dynamic new AD, as opposed to the Steve Pederson clones they had before. They basically opened up the vault, and gave Dambrot everything he asked for with regard to salary, and budget for his staff. I don't expect Dambrot to turn them back into the kind of power they were when his dad was there, but I'll be shocked if they don't become a very solid program in the A10. His track record is very good. Should that worry Pitt? Not really, unless Pitt becomes a doormat in the ACC. Pitt as a solid ACC team, will beat a solid Dukes team most years (although it won't be as one sided as the past 35 years). The one thing I would worry a little bit about that I saw mentioned, is the fact that if somehow, Dambrot could turn them into a bellwether of the A10, the BE might become interested. The BE is pretty happy with the 10 team round robin, but ratings on FS1 have been pretty dismal, and there has been talk that Fox might push to add more markets. The dream has always been for UConn to come back, plus to add Gonzaga, but this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons. The most commonly discussed adds, Dayton, and VCU, are both small markets, plus Xavier is dead set against Dayton. Market wise, institutionally, and geographically, Duquesne and St. Louis are perfect fits, but the basketball is just not up to snuff. If somehow that changed, and the Dukes ended up in the BE, then they become a problem for Pitt, as they would then again be considered a major. The BE ain't the ACC, but it's a lot closer than the A10. The Dukes really lucked out getting Dambrot now. He's probably happy to still be close to his family in Akron, and at his age, he's unlikely to jump for another job. If he was 10 years younger, and turned awful Duquesne around, the big job offers would come flooding in, and he'd probably take one of them.

If they get that big, they'd probably be playing most if not all in PPG Paints arena or building a bigger one.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves on Duquesne. Lol.
 
I wonder if Pitt could beat some of the Division 2 schools in PA. I haven't watched any of them so who knows
 
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