Joey. “ toast” Porter

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

How about 1a and 1b for a season until muth moves on due to concussion or FA? They are going to be on the field together a lot this year.

Muth is a good player but he drops balls and misses blocks. He’s not entrenched as a locked in #1.

I agree, he is only ok so far (at risk of scorn from closet Nit fans here I’ll suggest there is overrating of Muth among fans and media and even internally due to the college he’s from). He could get better of course, but his body type is what it is and it’s not as formidable as the A list TEs. He’s adequate, he’d have been fine in an earlier era where the TE was an afterthought, but in this era where a premier TE might get to host SNL, Muth is not a difference maker. Wash if he is healthy and coachable, should easily eclipse him in time.

Pickett is a big variable here though. He and Muth seem tight. He doesn’t have obvious synergy with any of the other receivers (probably because most of those receivers stink). For frightening stretches in games last year, Muth was the only guy Pickett seemed able to make a completion to.

So they might not be willing to hurt his only consistent connection by easing Muth out of the primary role. The Steelers are not exactly risk takers. This is where Washington has to make it nearly impossible in practice and preseason for them to ignore.

 

[briano25]

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Looks pretty good to me vs the #1 receiver in CFB.

I'm confused? And I'm rooting for the kid.....what did you see that he did well on that film? I can say that he

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Looks pretty good to me vs the #1 receiver in CFB.

He did not win one play in that video lol. The wr was open , he was holding or .....for some reason....a goalline play where the wr didn't even move haha

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I agree, he is only ok so far (at risk of scorn from closet Nit fans here I’ll suggest there is overrating of Muth among fans and media and even internally due to the college he’s from). He could get better of course, but his body type is what it is and it’s not as formidable as the A list TEs. He’s adequate, he’d have been fine in an earlier era where the TE was an afterthought, but in this era where a premier TE might get to host SNL, Muth is not a difference maker. Wash if he is healthy and coachable, should easily eclipse him in time.

Pickett is a big variable here though. He and Muth seem tight. He doesn’t have obvious synergy with any of the other receivers (probably because most of those receivers stink). For frightening stretches in games last year, Muth was the only guy Pickett seemed able to make a completion to.

So they might not be willing to hurt his only consistent connection by easing Muth out of the primary role. The Steelers are not exactly risk takers. This is where Washington has to make it nearly impossible in practice and preseason for them to ignore.

I liked the friermuth pick and still like him as a player. He’s just not elite. So as we sit here today, for the first time I’m thinking it wasn’t a great pick in that spot.

A little light went off in my head in the Jay Novacek cowboy days that most Super Bowl winning teams have an elite TD and it has proved out many times in the past 30 years.

Hernandez and Gronk together were impossible to defend. And while Washington and friermuth aren’t anywhere near those two, I still think that 2 TE look will make the steeler offense better in so many ways…. If Canada is capable of pulling it all together. I still can’t believe Tomlin hasn’t brought in an offensive consultant. Or did he and I missed it? Canada with the keys to this offense, without any help, seems insane to me.

 

[joeydavid]

I liked the friermuth pick and still like him as a player. He’s just not elite. So as we sit here today, for the first time I’m thinking it wasn’t a great pick in that spot.

A little light went off in my head in the Jay Novacek cowboy days that most Super Bowl winning teams have an elite TD and it has proved out many times in the past 30 years.

Hernandez and Gronk together were impossible to defend. And while Washington and friermuth aren’t anywhere near those two, I still think that 2 TE look will make the steeler offense better in so many ways…. If Canada is capable of pulling it all together. I still can’t believe Tomlin hasn’t brought in an offensive consultant. Or did he and I missed it? Canada with the keys to this offense, without any help, seems insane to me.

...maybe if Friermuth went on a crime spree and murdered a bunch of people. I mean, that would be completely on brand for a pedst grad.

As stated already, Pat is an ok TE2. He's soft, can't block. Drops too many easy catches but occasionally will make a play. Pickett needs an upgrade at that position as well as WR. Frankly, it would be malpractice on Khan's part to not try to upgrade the TE position.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

SMFs original comment saying it made no sense. He’s since pretty much said he’s not a Steelers fan at all so now the comment isn’t so illogical.

Correct. I am a Conner fan and Pickett fan. That's why I rooted for the Steelers. I hope the Steelers win every game 55-54 and Porter gives up 7 TDs per game.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

I liked the friermuth pick and still like him as a player. He’s just not elite. So as we sit here today, for the first time I’m thinking it wasn’t a great pick in that spot.

A little light went off in my head in the Jay Novacek cowboy days that most Super Bowl winning teams have an elite TD and it has proved out many times in the past 30 years.

Hernandez and Gronk together were impossible to defend. And while Washington and friermuth aren’t anywhere near those two, I still think that 2 TE look will make the steeler offense better in so many ways…. If Canada is capable of pulling it all together. I still can’t believe Tomlin hasn’t brought in an offensive consultant. Or did he and I missed it? Canada with the keys to this offense, without any help, seems insane to me.

I’ll gladly agree that Muth could exist well as part of a good tandem. He just isn’t good to be an elite one by himself. I also agree in the doubts of the coaches to conceive and leverage such a tandem. In fact that’s my biggest doubt.

I love what Canada did for us, a decade ago. But in the here and now, Canada never particularly has showed affinity for creativity with the TE position. A shovel pass every few games at most. And Tomlin seems mostly oblivious to what the more successful programs do with the position (or he’d demand more…he’s the boss after all).

I can easily see them replace Wash for Gentry, and call it a day. Give him the same 5 plays a game in short yardage to act as third OT. Meanwhile Pickett continues to resort to 5 yard check downs to stationary Muth all day. Muth will fling his forearms like Kong as he goes down, local reporters like Ron Cook will cream, and the drunks in the crowd will make their Heath noise … as the punting unit comes on.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Correct. I am a Conner fan and Pickett fan. That's why I rooted for the Steelers. I hope the Steelers win every game 55-54 and Porter gives up 7 TDs per game.

As I’ve grown older and wiser, as the NFL has gotten more phony and cynical, plus as it is painfully clear for nearly a decade now that coming into each season the Steelers have no realistic chance to make or win the Super Bowl … I’m increasingly less focused on the Steelers mundane .500ish record and more interested in the Pitt guys in the league.

I was never particularly interested in this in decades past … I’d be fuzzy on where Pitt guys even played as pros or if and when they were drafted.

Part of that is due to the minimal hype the draft got in decades past. It just was something that came and went with only focus on the number one picks. Nobody was keeping tabs on how many Pitt had Vs PSu. Of course no message boards either.

But it’s mostly because from the early 90s on, my fav pro team was nearly always in the thick of every playoffs race with real chances to make it all the way! So who had time to follow what Curtis Martin was doing in NY or NE or whatever.

But that’s disappeared. The organization got stagnant, Ben was kept on too long, and other orgs and teams have passed the team by. Without any real championship interest with the Steelers, who look unlikely to make the playoffs yet again this coming season, my waning interests will continue.

 

[YourPittDanceTeam]

Correct take

You people are mental midgets

PittPharm...I will assume by your user name that you are a graduate of Pitt's School of Pharmacy. Because of that, I will also assume that you have the intelligence to question things as you see necessary. In the Porter situation, I have questions. I do not think that make me or any one else doing so, a "mental midget". In fact, if anything, it shows that we also have the ability to question things as we deem necessary. You automatically jumped to the anti-psu nonsense when it has nothing to do with the situation. You also have no OBJECTIVE data that will show that any one questioning the selection has a bias towards psu. How do you arrive that he was "a steal" at the 32nd pick? If he was such "a steal", then why didn't the other 31 NFL teams draft him earlier then that? I believe that there were 4 other CB's taken before him, did all of those teams have an anti-psu bias? I questioned Porter's style of play while at psu. Too much clutching and grabbing for me, regardless if the uniform he is wearing.
The reality of it is, tomlin has shown a propensity towards drafting/signing family members of current players and friends. Is it another example of nepotism on tomlin's part? No one will really know for sure, except for tomlin himself.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Watt was a free agent signing cheap
And Conner looks like a huge value draft pick so far
Get out of here

watt was 4 m dollar hit and heyward is an H back option that had one nice catch last year. derrick watt was a favor to his brother and a complete waste of a roster spot.. he did nothing, nothing of value..

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Like I said, I can completely understand how someone who has no idea what he was brought here to do could think that.

he didnt do anything and was a 4.7m cap hit in '22. there is no argument, you are wrong. 3 years of nothing.. like i said, absolute waste of a roster spot.

 

[Pitt79]

Then you should spend your time on the Steelers message board.

No, I should be right here, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Pitt is my top COLLEGE football team, Steelers are my #1 football team above all others so it's total correct and deserved that I be right here. the message board for my college team, I do in fact interact on Steelers message boards too.

 

[PittPharm2002]

PittPharm...I will assume by your user name that you are a graduate of Pitt's School of Pharmacy. Because of that, I will also assume that you have the intelligence to question things as you see necessary. In the Porter situation, I have questions. I do not think that make me or any one else doing so, a "mental midget". In fact, if anything, it shows that we also have the ability to question things as we deem necessary. You automatically jumped to the anti-psu nonsense when it has nothing to do with the situation. You also have no OBJECTIVE data that will show that any one questioning the selection has a bias towards psu. How do you arrive that he was "a steal" at the 32nd pick? If he was such "a steal", then why didn't the other 31 NFL teams draft him earlier then that? I believe that there were 4 other CB's taken before him, did all of those teams have an anti-psu bias? I questioned Porter's style of play while at psu. Too much clutching and grabbing for me, regardless if the uniform he is wearing.
The reality of it is, tomlin has shown a propensity towards drafting/signing family members of current players and friends. Is it another example of nepotism on tomlin's part? No one will really know for sure, except for tomlin himself.

If you dislike him because of where he played college you’re a mental midget

He’s a second round pick -
He’ll be good or he won’t
We’ll see

 

[Pitt79]

That's fair. I'm not an NFL fan. I have rooted for the Steelers due to Conner and Pickett. If Pickett played for the Browns, I'd root for them to beat the Steelers. So naturally, I hope Porter has the worst career possible. Any local kid who goes elsewhere, especially Rape U, cant do anything to get back in my good graces unless they transfer to Pitt. That is a despicable place and program and I dont want my team (for now, the Steelers but only due to Pickett) having anything to do with low character guys who chose to play for such a program. And you have to be of low character to go to a place synonymous with rape.

That's fair too. Myself I've always been NFL 1st as far as football goes. And college football? Since the late '80s when I was a grad student there and lived in Shadyside and worked in Pittsburgh 5 years, my college fandom consists of watching every Pitt game and not much else. Growing up in Western PA, I've been a dedicated Steelers fan since 1969, throughout the '70s and '80s, I rooted for both Pitt and Penn State, I didn't become dedicated to Pitt until the late '80s when I lived, worked and attended classes there. Myself, if Pickett played for the Browns, I'd hope the Steelers busted his face up twice a year. So, I like Franco and Friermuth and hope JP Jr. becomes a Hall of Famer. Also, I have PSU friends and relatives, and even more WVU friends and relatives and they are all GOOD PEOPLE, JUST AS GOOD AS PITT PEOPLE, and I laugh at people who act like they have poor character because of where they went to school

 

[PittPharm2002]

watt was 4 m dollar hit and heyward is an H back option that had one nice catch last year. derrick watt was a favor to his brother and a complete waste of a roster spot.. he did nothing, nothing of value..

Heyward was a 6th round pick . Silly goose

Derek played all 17 games the last 2 seasons .
You’re being dumb

 

[Pitt79]

… I’m increasingly less focused on the Steelers mundane .500ish record and more interested in the Pitt guys in the league.

I root for laundry, not the people wearing it.

 

[Burgh15]

...maybe if Friermuth went on a crime spree and murdered a bunch of people. I mean, that would be completely on brand for a pedst grad.

As stated already, Pat is an ok TE2. He's soft, can't block. Drops too many easy catches but occasionally will make a play. Pickett needs an upgrade at that position as well as WR. Frankly, it would be malpractice on Khan's part to not try to upgrade the TE position.

You're way too low on Freiermuth as he's easily a top-10 tight end in the NFL right now. Not many can block and catch, so if you're getting value from one, it better be out of their ability as a receiver and he's pretty good in that area.

 

[YourPittDanceTeam]

If you dislike him because of where he played college you’re a mental midget

He’s a second round pick -
He’ll be good or he won’t
We’ll see

Exactly. Until then, just as you have your opinion of his value, so do others and they should feel free to express theirs without being called names.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Muth is a good player but he drops balls and misses blocks. He’s not entrenched as a locked in #1.

It's obvious that the Stillers don't think he's a good enough blocker. And the Stillers want their tight end to be able to help in the running game as well as catch passes.

 

[pittbb80]

I agree, he is only ok so far (at risk of scorn from closet Nit fans here I’ll suggest there is overrating of Muth among fans and media and even internally due to the college he’s from). He could get better of course, but his body type is what it is and it’s not as formidable as the A list TEs. He’s adequate, he’d have been fine in an earlier era where the TE was an afterthought, but in this era where a premier TE might get to host SNL, Muth is not a difference maker. Wash if he is healthy and coachable, should easily eclipse him in time.

Pickett is a big variable here though. He and Muth seem tight. He doesn’t have obvious synergy with any of the other receivers (probably because most of those receivers stink). For frightening stretches in games last year, Muth was the only guy Pickett seemed able to make a completion to.

So they might not be willing to hurt his only consistent connection by easing Muth out of the primary role. The Steelers are not exactly risk takers. This is where Washington has to make it nearly impossible in practice and preseason for them to ignore.

Murth clearly isn’t among the elite TEs like kelce and Andrew’s but he’s in the next tier of solid plus TEs. I think he has a bit of upside but agree he won’t be among the leagues elite KP relied o. Muth because he was the only target who could consistently get open and produce. If Washington ends up living up to his potential. I don’t think there will be any problem with KP making him a primary target.

I don’t think this impacts Watt at all. The dude is there for special teams and that’s it. Everything is else is gravy

The real question is what do they do with Heyward and Gentry. I don’t think you can keep all four

 

[Parkview57]

We are mirroring steps, we aren't trying to physically impede the receiver from getting his release.

Got it, now that leaves a 9 on 9 situation as I am understanding it,. So what are the keys/reactions of the safeties in their base look, say against a 2x2?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Heyward was a 6th round pick . Silly goose

Derek played all 17 games the last 2 seasons .
You’re being dumb

He was a guy no one else would have drafted and could have picked him up as a UFA.

Watt played special teams and even then was irrelevent. Hilarious was a Tomlin apologist u are. Yinzer

Tomlin did them favors, pure and simple. No one else in nfl wanted either.

 

[Drew1208]

He was a guy no one else would have drafted and could have picked him up as a UFA.

Watt played special teams and even then was irrelevent. Hilarious was a Tomlin apologist u are. Yinzer

Hey that's not fair to Yinzers.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He was a guy no one else would have drafted and could have picked him up as a UFA.

Well that is simply not true.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Well that is simply not true.

He was a rb in college that got recruited over and buried in depth chart so they moved him to h back over cutting him.

Nfl teans don’t waste draft picks on concerted h backs. It was a favor to cam, a simple “thank you” will suffice.

Watt is just laughable, his career at Steelers was a dud.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He was a rb in college that got recruited over and buried in depth chart so they moved him to h back over cutting him.

Nfl teans don’t waste draft picks on concerted h backs. It was a favor to cam, a simple “thank you” will suffice.

Watt is just laughable, his career at Steelers was a dud.

I still have the Athletics draft package from last year on my computer and they gave him a 5th-6th round grade, meaning a late 5th or early 6th pick.

Remind us all, when did the Stillers pick him?

When your argument is so strong that you have to start just making crap up to defend your point, maybe it's time to quit?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I still have the Athletics draft package from last year on my computer and they gave him a 5th-6th round grade, meaning a late 5th or early 6th pick.

Remind us all, when did the Stillers pick him?

When your argument is so strong that you have to start just making crap up to defend your point, maybe it's time to quit?

he wasnt going man, let it go. he's a tight end that cant block, not exactly a resume builder.

he just has to convince Canada now that he's more valuable than Gentry or he is getting cut.. as bad as Gentry is, it's still a question

 

[Panther Parrothead]

This thread reminds me of when the Nits who posted on their board would bash Pitt specifically, and Pittsburgh in general, as being dirty, filthy, crime-ridden, and often using the racially-based stereotypes, too. But….they’d also BRAG (falsely, of course!) how there were so many Nit graduates in Allegheny County and Pittsburgh that they outnumbered Pitt graduates!

It was funny to read: they couldn’t see the irony of their words, that such a lousy place as the 412 area is where so many Nits choose to settle and raise their families.

Meanwhile, the truth is that 412 is where one can get a great high school and college education, amazing and vast cultural experiences, relatively affordable housing, and tolerable weather. And yes, even where a Nit can play for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

[Pittisit4me]

How about 1a and 1b for a season until muth moves on due to concussion or FA? They are going to be on the field together a lot this year.

Muth is a good player but he drops balls and misses blocks. He’s not entrenched as a locked in #1.

Agree. Makes me think we see a ton of double tight end sets. I am thinking we could have something like New England had with Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. Kenny loves to throw to the tight end. I tell you this offense is getting very intriguing. Plus Washington can really help Najee get to the edge. Matt Canada just got alot more options for this offense. Let's hope he utilizes it all.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Correct. I am insane, a Conner fan and Pickett fan. That's why I rooted for the Steelers. I hope the Steelers win every game 55-54 and Porter gives up 7 TDs per game.

Fixed it for you.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Exactly. Until then, just as you have your opinion of his value, so do others and they should feel free to express theirs without being called names.

If the value is based on his college your opinion is stupid
It’s cult like behavior

 

[PittPharm2002]

He was a guy no one else would have drafted and could have picked him up as a UFA.

Watt played special teams and even then was irrelevent. Hilarious was a Tomlin apologist u are. Yinzer

Tomlin did them favors, pure and simple. No one else in nfl wanted either.

He makes less than $900k a year
So what do you think the salary delta would be ?
Because the udfa contract min is $750k

I don’t care about Tomlin , watt , or Heyward
Facts are facts - and your being stupid since you’re yinzering on vibes

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

He makes less than $900k a year
So what do you think the salary delta would be ?
Because the udfa contract min is $750k

I don’t care about Tomlin , watt , or Heyward
Facts are facts - and your being stupid since you’re yinzering on vibes

watt was a waste, heyward is battling with gentry to even be on the team. i doubt we keep 4 TEs, even with Canada's abortion of an offense.

to think we didnt do Watt a favor by signing his brother, ditto with heyward, you are blind..

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

This thread reminds me of when the Nits who posted on their board would bash Pitt specifically, and Pittsburgh in general, as being dirty, filthy, crime-ridden, and often using the racially-based stereotypes, too. But….they’d also BRAG (falsely, of course!) how there were so many Nit graduates in Allegheny County and Pittsburgh that they outnumbered Pitt graduates!

It was funny to read: they couldn’t see the irony of their words, that such a lousy place as the 412 area is where so many Nits choose to settle and raise their families.

Meanwhile, the truth is that 412 is where one can get a great high school and college education, amazing and vast cultural experiences, relatively affordable housing, and tolerable weather. And yes, even where a Nit can play for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

In similar vein, WVU fans who rant on what a sh1thole that Pittsburgh is but so many of them flee that state as soon as humanly possible to live in this sh1thole region if they can swing it, and love the Steelers and Pirates. I get why they’d hate Pitt as a sports thing, similar to PsU hating Pitt sports, but to disingenuously try(and fail) to justify it with geographical insults, all while craving to live here, exposes the exact mental deficiencies they are so sensitive about Pitt fans berating them about.

Obviously this sh1thole region provides necessities and entertainment that their ‘heavenly’ locales cannot.

 

[Burgh15]

watt was a waste, heyward is battling with gentry to even be on the team. i doubt we keep 4 TEs, even with Canada's abortion of an offense.

to think we didnt do Watt a favor by signing his brother, ditto with heyward, you are blind..

Heyward is taking the "fullback" role this year. He's a lock to make the roster.

 

[forbesfield]

That's fair. I'm not an NFL fan. I have rooted for the Steelers due to Conner and Pickett. If Pickett played for the Browns, I'd root for them to beat the Steelers. So naturally, I hope Porter has the worst career possible. Any local kid who goes elsewhere, especially Rape U, cant do anything to get back in my good graces unless they transfer to Pitt. That is a despicable place and program and I dont want my team (for now, the Steelers but only due to Pickett) having anything to do with low character guys who chose to play for such a program. And you have to be of low character to go to a place synonymous with rape.

Dude, seriously, you need help.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Heyward is taking the "fullback" role this year. He's a lock to make the roster.

I can see some merit with keeping Lil Cam based on a couple legitimately nice plays he made last season… Ok, that isn’t many, but the team as a whole didn’t have all that many legitimately nice plays. But also, he was a final draft pick and as such they aren’t paying him much, so any value at all was a bonus.

Also, he is (1) a progeny of Ironhead and (2) he burned Pitt in the Peach Bowl, so we as Pitt fans almost have a sacred duty to raise his stature, beyond the random gibrone he should realistically be classified as. Duz in particular should be glad anytime Heyward rises above scout team fodder consideration, based on the debacle from his defense failing to control this FCS quality hack in that high profile setting.

So keep Lil Cam as long as they want, of course until it’s time to negotiate a new deal for him. Hopefully by then Cam retires and the obligation is gone.

Which brings us to Watt, who the Steelers paid actual significant money for. He’s utterly worthless at any price so that galls somewhat. But when you think about his high pay as simply part of TJ’s salary (which it is, let’s face it)…it’s more palatable. Plus for that coin he probably brings in some bitchin’ donuts for the running back room, likely from a real bakery … and frankly Harris could stand to put on a couple more pounds to be more durable. So give the guy a break.

 

[pittguy81]

PittPharm...I will assume by your user name that you are a graduate of Pitt's School of Pharmacy. Because of that, I will also assume that you have the intelligence to question things as you see necessary. In the Porter situation, I have questions. I do not think that make me or any one else doing so, a "mental midget". In fact, if anything, it shows that we also have the ability to question things as we deem necessary. You automatically jumped to the anti-psu nonsense when it has nothing to do with the situation. You also have no OBJECTIVE data that will show that any one questioning the selection has a bias towards psu. How do you arrive that he was "a steal" at the 32nd pick? If he was such "a steal", then why didn't the other 31 NFL teams draft him earlier then that? I believe that there were 4 other CB's taken before him, did all of those teams have an anti-psu bias? I questioned Porter's style of play while at psu. Too much clutching and grabbing for me, regardless if the uniform he is wearing.
The reality of it is, tomlin has shown a propensity towards drafting/signing family members of current players and friends. Is it another example of nepotism on tomlin's part? No one will really know for sure, except for tomlin himself.

I said he was a steal at #32 because almost every credible draftnik had a 1st round grade on him. The Steelers got fortunate that other teams needs pushed him down the board. All you have to do is read the thread to see how some folks have a weird anti-PSU hatred that is beyond the pale.

 

[HOF Coach]

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Got it, now that leaves a 9 on 9 situation as I am understanding it,. So what are the keys/reactions of the safeties in their base look, say against a 2x2?

In our base cover 4 our safeties are keying #2

#2 vertical - match
#2 out - Rob #1
#2 in = key QB look to rob the new #2 coming across the formation

Duzz has a bunch of other tags but that's the base

 

[Pitt79]

he wasnt going man, let it go. he's a tight end that cant block, not exactly a resume builder.

he just has to convince Canada now that he's more valuable than Gentry or he is getting cut.. as bad as Gentry is, it's still a question

Gentry you know is an emergency QB