John Hugley

[Eastern Eight]

First post in a long time and under a new name since the old account was under a long discarded email . Just easier to start over. Anyway, I was told some interesting news today. John Hughley was seen moving into the Towers. This obviously peeked my interest and leads to several questions. Ultimately, I take this as good news as he is obviously still at Pitt.

 

[Rutherford21]

Good news.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I doubt the athletes are in Towers
So that’s all I’m saying

 

[PittMan2003]

I doubt the athletes are in Towers
So that’s all I’m saying

Yeah agreed. I wonder if he was helping a friend move in. But it’s good news he’s still on campus either way.

 

[TWPitt]

Thought I read somewhere his hearing is 2/18.

 

[Ski11585]

I doubt the athletes are in Towers
So that’s all I’m saying

This was my first thought.

 

[Cavalier Panther]

We'll see.

The Hugley stuff is going to be a mystery because whether he comes back involves not just his docketed criminal case, but Capel's judgment, Hugley's contrition, athletic department policies, the team's views and a million other things. Maybe Pitt has some written policy on this but I assume there's discretion.

I remember an article over the summer about him growing up in a tough situation. I can see Capel saying: "He's a freshman who didn't have the most supportive network in high school. He did something really dumb when he got to campus. But he's worked hard, he's a decent kid, and I want to give him another chance because he's not a guy who's gotten the benefit of the doubt many times."

I can also see Capel saying: "Players on my team can't do these things and I'm going to be firm here. He's off the team, I wish him well in his future endeavors."

Capel's decision may also turn on what charges the DA's office ultimately goes forward on. Just a lot to digest.

 

[Millerton24]

This was my first thought.

I actually thought that as well but hit like anyways. Thought maybe...what do I know

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

As I've been saying, he'll be back. Otherwise, he would have already been booted. Capel isnt going to kick off Pitt's highest rated recruit in years because his friend stole a car and he drove it.

As for moving in to Towers, that could be part of his "punishment." Banishment from Sutherland and where the bball players live.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Remember this is America where everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty !

 

[Rutherford21]

the next years freshman class better be more hip than this years.

 

[HOF Coach]

the next years freshman class better be more hip than this years.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

As I've been saying, he'll be back. Otherwise, he would have already been booted. Capel isnt going to kick off Pitt's highest rated recruit in years because his friend stole a car and he drove it.

As for moving in to Towers, that could be part of his "punishment." Banishment from Sutherland and where the bball players live.

Ouch, moved out of Sutherland. You missed again. HE GONE. Let’s get a list of prospective bigs together.

And their highest rated recruit in years plays for Nebraska.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Too much over the top speculation here based on too little information. I will join the fray--

IMHO, if he was 100% gone he wouldn't even be on campus and still listed on the roster on the official site. Most likely scenario is the Pitt is still waiting on legal developments. I do suspect that if doesn't get jail he may eventually be back with the team; but not until next season.

 

[Eastern Eight]

Yeah agreed. I wonder if he was helping a friend move in. But it’s good news he’s still on campus either way.

I hadn’t considered this possibility. It certainly is plausible. Like you say, even if this was the case, John was on Campus yesterday, which to me at a minimum suggests a possibility that he’s got a future here. I’ll make sure my “source” let’s me know if he see’s him again.

 

[bayardstreet]

Tower of Power horn section. The best and that song was and is fantastic.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Too much over the top speculation here based on too little information. I will join the fray--

IMHO, if he was 100% gone he wouldn't even be on campus and still listed on the roster on the official site. Most likely scenario is the Pitt is still waiting on legal developments. I do suspect that if doesn't get jail he may eventually be back with the team; but not until next season.

Couldn’t disagree more. We have tons of information. There’s video evidence of him being involved in the theft of a car according to reports.

Do you really think there’s any path moving forward going into a locker room with someone who stole or helped steal a car from one of his teammate’s friends? You guys are reaching if you say yes.

You would think this was an elite player with the way you guys are trying to defend GTA:Oakland

 

[wbrpanther]

Remember this is America where everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty !

It's also a place where people get a second chance under normal circumstances.

 

[Cap pitt]

Remember this is America where everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty !

I'm not so sure of that anymore, listen to some cable news and you'll think differently

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Is Pitt going to let John finish this semester before booting him?

 

[pittchagg]

Is Pitt going to let John finish this semester before booting him?

Don’t know the answer to that, but FWIW he’s still listed as a student in the Pitt directory.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

That would explain the move to Litchfield

Is Pitt going to let John finish this semester before booting him?

 

[mo cheeks]

I hope he has grown up a lot from this situation and has matured. If he has done, and continues to do everything right, I hope he gets another chance at Pitt, assuming the players fully support him. If he is just a bad apple that won't change, he will be gone.

In any case, if he is gone from Pitt, expect to see him in Morgantown next year.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I hope he has grown up a lot from this situation and has matured. If he has done, and continues to do everything right, I hope he gets another chance at Pitt, assuming the players fully support him. If he is just a bad apple that won't change, he will be gone.

In any case, if he is gone from Pitt, expect to see him in Morgantown next year.

Huggs will pass

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I'm not so sure of that anymore, listen to some cable news and you'll think differently

Stay away from Fox and CNN you’ll be happier !

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If it was just stealing a car, I'd have no problem with him coming back.
It's not just stealing a car.
It's the circumstances around what he did that makes it difficult for him to get back on the team.

My goodness people, we have elected total dirtbags (on both sides) as leaders of this country and half the country is fine with it. And we have Pitt fans don't think an 18 year old kid doesn't possess enough character to play on a friggin college basketball team? His friend stole a car and he drove it a few times. Big effing deal. Give him his community service and get him back on the team. We need to win games.

 

[Parkview57]

While I don’t advocate stealing cars

I DON'T ADVOCATE STEALING CARS..
..unless you are a much needed Big...

 

[Drew1208]

My goodness people, we have elected total dirtbags (on both sides) as leaders of this country and half the country is fine with it. And we have Pitt fans don't think an 18 year old kid doesn't possess enough character to play on a friggin college basketball team? His friend stole a car and he drove it a few times. Big effing deal. Give him his community service and get him back on the team. We need to win games.

By your framing again, i probably wouldn't have a problem with him coming back if that's just the case.
I also wouldn't have a problem if the team deems it okay for him to come back and they all trusted each other and him to come back by very close sources.
I was just told that he's not coming back

 

[Drew1208]

By your framing again, i probably wouldn't have a problem with him coming back if that's just the case.
I also wouldn't have a problem if the team deems it okay for him to come back and they all trusted each other and him to come back by very close sources.
I was just told that he's not coming back

It's not really an issue about the car. It's an issue of trusting a teammate.

 

[jrnPitt]

My goodness people, we have elected total dirtbags (on both sides) as leaders of this country and half the country is fine with it. And we have Pitt fans don't think an 18 year old kid doesn't possess enough character to play on a friggin college basketball team? His friend stole a car and he drove it a few times. Big effing deal. Give him his community service and get him back on the team. We need to win games.

But did he help steal the license plate that was then put on the stolen car? Do you think there was any good reason for stealing that license plate?

 

[BFo8]

I doubt the athletes are in Towers
So that’s all I’m saying

Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s the case now as opposed to years ago. When I lived in Tower C I had Jon Carter as a neighbor and Lee McRae lived there briefly as well. Good times.

 

[Drew1208]

But did he help steal the license plate that was then put on the stolen car? Do you think there was any good reason for stealing that license plate?

And what about the possibility that a teammate could be potentially asked to testify or make an official statement about the incident

 

[Usuallyunusual-partdeux]

Couldn’t disagree more. We have tons of information. There’s video evidence of him being involved in the theft of a car according to reports.

Do you really think there’s any path moving forward going into a locker room with someone who stole or helped steal a car from one of his teammate’s friends? You guys are reaching if you say yes.

You would think this was an elite player with the way you guys are trying to defend GTA:Oakland

As someone who worked in law enforcement for over 10 years the advice I always gave people was be careful how you judge others. If you ask most people in a moment of honesty and full transparency if they had been caught doing the worse thing they have ever done in their life would they have faced jail time, most will reluctantly say yes.

My point here is that most of us have made horrible decisions in our youth and managed to dodge a bullet. Remember that time you drove home "buzzed?" What if you had crashed into a pregnant woman and her 3 kids? Are your actions less reckless because you didn't? Remember to consider your own secret transgressions before you cast someone else aside for theirs that just happened to become public.

Just some food for thought not condemnation.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

As someone who worked in law enforcement for over 10 years the advice I always gave people was be careful how you judge others. If you ask most people in a moment of honesty and full transparency if they had been caught doing the worse thing they have ever done in their life would they have faced jail time, most will reluctantly say yes.

My point here is that most of us have made horrible decisions in our youth and managed to dodge a bullet. Remember that time you drove home "buzzed?" What if you had crashed into a pregnant woman and her 3 kids? Are your actions less reckless because you didn't? Remember to consider your own secret transgressions before you cast someone else aside for theirs that just happened to become public.

Just some food for thought not condemnation.

I absolutely have no problem with him getting a second chance. He should. His talent does not outweigh his problems. Not even close. He should go to a Kent State type and average his 9/6 and turn his life around while getting anger management classes and counseling.

 

[levance2]

I think he was a good recruit and Capel doesn't want the stigma of having thrown the kid to the wolves at the first sign of trouble. Chances are, things are actually as bad as they sound and he is absolutely done already. Regardless, Pitt can allow him to remain a student while this passes through our slow American legal system, and then he can transfer out in good standing and potentially land at some other school willing to take a chance on him.

Even if Pitt (almost certainly) has zero interest in retaining him, there's no tangible benefit to exiling him as fast as possible. As was mentioned above, Capel might sincerely sympathize with the kid, even if he knows there's no possibility of reforming him at Pitt. This is probably a case where Capel the man is doing the kid a favor even if Capel the coach has his hands tied.

 

[Drew1208]

I think he was a good recruit and Capel doesn't want the stigma of having thrown the kid to the wolves at the first sign of trouble. Chances are, things are actually as bad as they sound and he is absolutely done already. Regardless, Pitt can allow him to remain a student while this passes through our slow American legal system, and then he can transfer out in good standing and potentially land at some other school willing to take a chance on him.

Even if Pitt (almost certainly) has zero interest in retaining him, there's no tangible benefit to exiling him as fast as possible. As was mentioned above, Capel might sincerely sympathize with the kid, even if he knows there's no possibility of reforming him at Pitt. This is probably a case where Capel the man is doing the kid a favor even if Capel the coach has his hands tied.

Very logical post.

 

[gary2]

Couldn’t disagree more. We have tons of information. There’s video evidence of him being involved in the theft of a car according to reports.

Do you really think there’s any path moving forward going into a locker room with someone who stole or helped steal a car from one of his teammate’s friends? You guys are reaching if you say yes.

You would think this was an elite player with the way you guys are trying to defend GTA:Oakland

One of his teammates friends? Could that be a stretch?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

One of his teammates friends? Could that be a stretch?

Nope

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Big effing deal. Give him his community service and get him back on the team. We need to win games.

Where would you draw the line? Or do you even have one? This isn’t some petty bs crime. He’s on tape committing a felony. The need to win some games leads to Baylor and Penn St type of scandals.

And I’m not saying the kid should be cast aside. Every effort should be made to get him the help he needs so he doesn’t keep going the wrong direction. And maybe that does involve basketball. But I think it’s almost just as likely that someone will let him play to “win some games” then cast him aside once he’s no longer useful to the coach/program. I don’t doubt that there are a lot of coaches who try to act as a parent and provide guidance and help. But I know there are many a shark in these waters as well.

 

[Pittx9]

Couldn’t disagree more. We have tons of information. There’s video evidence of him being involved in the theft of a car according to reports.

Do you really think there’s any path moving forward going into a locker room with someone who stole or helped steal a car from one of his teammate’s friends? You guys are reaching if you say yes.

You would think this was an elite player with the way you guys are trying to defend GTA:Oakland

That’s my biggest issue. I’d be willing to give him a second chance for the most part. I’m not willing to bring him back if anyone in the locker room is totally against it.

I’d take a locker room vote and unless it’s unanimous to bring him back then no go. That is assuming the legal troubles allow for that possibility.