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Kenny is a mess

Man, Jimmy G is getting torched on here but I didn't think he played horribly for someone who was getting pinballed all night. I mean the third interception doesn't count, and I thought the defender made a play on the one over the middle (still not ideal to throw it, but the receiver needs to box him out better). The one down the sidelines was bad - no excuses for that. But if the guy doesn't drop that gift-wrapped pick six from Pickett, it's a different ballgame.
 
just a below average TE.
He hasn't been good at all. His inability to run block is killing an offense that is severely restrained by Matt Canada. The only thing that surprises you about the play calling is when they don't call the jet sweep.

Was good to see a couple guys make some tough catches last night. I don't really understand how there isn't any thought of allowing Pickens to become a playmaker. He seems relegated to back shoulder sideline plays in this offense. I understand he was being covered by a very talented CB but you have to get a guy like that in a position to make that CB chase.
 
He hasn't been good at all. His inability to run block is killing an offense that is severely restrained by Matt Canada. The only thing that surprises you about the play calling is when they don't call the jet sweep.

Was good to see a couple guys make some tough catches last night. I don't really understand how there isn't any thought of allowing Pickens to become a playmaker. He seems relegated to back shoulder sideline plays in this offense. I understand he was being covered by a very talented CB but you have to get a guy like that in a position to make that CB chase.
no jet sweep cause Gunner is out. once he comes back, we'll give it to him for a 2 yard loss.

I think Mt Washington is a better blocker but learning the playbook. He had some Real bad whiffs on blocks when he was in motion two games ago against the browns.

maybe dont use him like that but in Muth's spot as an in-line TE where he isnt moving around. HE did well in week one against bosa when he was on line..


Great to see CA3 be a deep threat, we needed it. Once we get Dionte back, we could have an above average WR group.
 
He hasn't been good at all. His inability to run block is killing an offense that is severely restrained by Matt Canada. The only thing that surprises you about the play calling is when they don't call the jet sweep.

Was good to see a couple guys make some tough catches last night. I don't really understand how there isn't any thought of allowing Pickens to become a playmaker. He seems relegated to back shoulder sideline plays in this offense. I understand he was being covered by a very talented CB but you have to get a guy like that in a position to make that CB chase.

I'm guessing shiftiness is an issue with Pickens. When he's not Jonathan Baldwin jogging down the sideline in anticipation of a jump ball, he's usually running either a quick slant or a dig. It's like one move is where he maxes out. I suppose that makes sense, because he wouldn't have feel to us if he could do it all at that size.

Johnson is the closest thing we have to being a well-rounded receiver, even though he frustrates the hell out of me. Austin seems more like a straight-line guy (I don't mean that in too literal of a sense; it's just for a lack of better wording... he was also open on some crosses), which is fine. But it'll be nice to have them all back in the fold.
 
And I hate to say it…but I wonder what the analytics say with regard to the steeler performance with Warren on the field….whether he gets the ball or not.
why do you hate to say it?....anyone with functioning eyeballs knows what they will say....getting tired of the "even though he is doing squat we owe this guy something, uh, because" syndrome in Pittsburgh football..Warren never met a "get one more yard" he did not like...
 
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I'm guessing shiftiness is an issue with Pickens. When he's not Jonathan Baldwin jogging down the sideline in anticipation of a jump ball, he's usually running either a quick slant or a dig. It's like one move is where he maxes out. I suppose that makes sense, because he wouldn't have feel to us if he could do it all at that size.

Johnson is the closest thing we have to being a well-rounded receiver, even though he frustrates the hell out of me. Austin seems more like a straight-line guy (I don't mean that in a literal sense; he was also open on some crosses), which is fine. But it'll be nice to have them all back in the fold.
See, I don't think that's the case but we won't know until they line him up in a position to make a move. Canada just loves the sideline passes. I can only imagine how badly the guy is going to get chewed out for breaking inside on the near "pick-6" in the first half. That's just not allowed in this offense (wasn't the right break anyway but I digress). There was something different last night in the play calling since they used shotgun on early downs a bit more. Assuming someone told Canada to open the offense up a little.

I think it's just frustrating because the weaknesses in personnel are right in front of everyone's face and they really don't seem interested in making changes. TE that can't block anything. Two tackles that can't pass block. A first round RB that can't seem to understand he has to stick his nose into tight spaces. I really fail to see how personnel changes could create any more harm.
 
maybe dont use him like that but in Muth's spot as an in-line TE where he isnt moving around. HE did well in week one against bosa when he was on line..
I think it was as simple as Bosa looked like a guy that hasn't practiced. I always thought the kid was better suited to play slot. He's not a TE. Getting thrown across the backfield and into the feet of the RB sort of confirms it. He's not getting to the second level to make blocks and just isn't physical enough to block any of the DE's in this league.
 
pickett hitting Muth in the facemask on a big 3rd down that Muth drops. Time to give Mt. Washington some more playing time.
I sure hope you’re not suggesting that was a routine catch that he should have made. Would have liked to see him pull it in but far from a routine easy catch.

And then your post prompts Joey to come out and pile on because of his anti-B10 and PSU bias. Not a lot of objectivity there with Joey ever.
 
I sure hope you’re not suggesting that was a routine catch that he should have made. Would have liked to see him pull it in but far from a routine easy catch.
In the NFL, guys need to make tough catches sometimes to help a QB out. There really hasn't been much of that from anyone but Pickens. Not saying that play in particular but it just hasn't been happening.
 
With last night’s victory, Kenny is now 5-1 in primetime games as a starter. The lone loss was last year’s SNF defeat against the Dolphins where he came close to leading a game-winning TD drive.

Interesting that 6 of his 15 starts have been night games.
 
In the NFL, guys need to make tough catches sometimes to help a QB out. There really hasn't been much of that from anyone but Pickens. Not saying that play in particular but it just hasn't been happening.
Yeah there’s plays in every game every week where guys need to make tough catches. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t, what’s the success rate on those?

Bottom line, that was anything but an easy routine catch.
 
I sure hope you’re not suggesting that was a routine catch that he should have made. Would have liked to see him pull it in but far from a routine easy catch.

And then your post prompts Joey to come out and pile on because of his anti-B10 and PSU bias. Not a lot of objectivity there with Joey ever.
I’m not defending the guy, he’s a marginal TE, can’t block at all and frequent drops… but there was significant DB contact and face guarding on that play. It was exactly the same thing as the PI called on the 2 point conversions a few minutes prior (which was certainly PI), but no call was made in this instance. Typically wild inconsistent officiating.

That said, the guy is just ok, a few levels below the better TE of the league. But history shows the Steelers can’t resist a PSU TE if he’s out there.
 
I'm so tired of watching these offenses. The Dolphins put up 70 today. Will the Steelers or Pitt get there over the next three weeks, combined? Wouldn't bet on it.
Is it a Yinzer RELIGION? Why do our teams always have to pound the rock like it's 1975, while the SMART TEAMS have moved forward to explosive modern offenses?
 
I sure hope you’re not suggesting that was a routine catch that he should have made. Would have liked to see him pull it in but far from a routine easy catch.

And then your post prompts Joey to come out and pile on because of his anti-B10 and PSU bias. Not a lot of objectivity there with Joey ever.
well i cant speak for joey, nor would i want to, nor would he want me to, but im over the psu thing, could care less where he went to college. that was a catch that hit him in the facemask, he needs to catch. if he cant pull that in, and he cant block, we need to find a better option..
 
Well, one or two a game usually makes a huge difference.
I sure don’t disagree with that. But I also sure couldn’t dump on Muth for not coming up with what would have been a difficult catch there.

The better question/mystery is why Muth isn’t more involved in the passing offense so far this year. We all know Muth isn’t in there for his run blocking but he’s had very few targets over the 1st 3 games.

Hey, that sounds familiar, we’ve had the same musings with Pitt and Bart although he’s starting to get more looks this year compared to last. And I’ll give Bart some credit, he has come up with some tough catches similar to Muth’s failed attempt yesterday.
 
well i cant speak for joey, nor would i want to, nor would he want me to, but im over the psu thing, could care less where he went to college. that was a catch that hit him in the facemask, he needs to catch. if he cant pull that in, and he cant block, we need to find a better option..
Yeah, the ball hit him in the face mask while he was in the air twisting/turning with a defender pretty much draped over him. Sorry, I can’t fault him for a drop there.
 
The better question/mystery is why Muth isn’t more involved in the passing offense so far this year. We all know Muth isn’t in there for his run blocking but he’s had very few targets over the 1st 3 games.
What are you suggesting, they make him an oversized receiver? He's one dimensional and simply can't play the TE position effectively to be out there as much as he is.
 
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What are you suggesting, they make him an oversized receiver? He's one dimensional and simply can't play the TE position effectively to be out there as much as he is.
I’m not suggesting anything, just wondering why he hasn’t seen more targets. I guess I’m wondering that because I know he’s a more effective TE than you’re suggesting.
 
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I told y'all. KP will have the Stillers playing in the SB this season. They played the best team in the NFC week one. This team will only get better.
 
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With last night’s victory, Kenny is now 5-1 in primetime games as a starter. The lone loss was last year’s SNF defeat against the Dolphins where he came close to leading a game-winning TD drive.

Interesting that 6 of his 15 starts have been night games.
PFF has him as the highest wins to hand-size ratio in night games in NFL history.
 
9-5 as a starter

That would work out to 11-6 for a full season which is a good record in today's NFL and especially the AFC

Kenny needs better protection and a new OC. He will get more consistent and this crap about him being a bust is just nonsense. Maybe he doesn't have top 5 QB in the league potential, maybe he does, but he certainly has top 10 potential, and you can get deep in the playoffs and make some SB runs with that if you have a good defense. Which the Stillers actually do have and should continue to have for a while
 
9-5 as a starter

That would work out to 11-6 for a full season which is a good record in today's NFL and especially the AFC

Kenny needs more protection and a and a new OC. He will get more consistent and this crap about him being a bust is just nonsense. Maybe he doesn't have top 5 QB in the league potential, maybe he does, but he certainly has top 10 potential, and you can get deep in the playoffs and make some SB runs with that if you have a good defense. Which the Stillers actually do have and should continue to have for a while
i really liked that they got away from the zone / directional blocking nonsense and are just blocking the man in front of them, double - teaming as well. Collinsworth really harped on it and it showed.

last game against the browns, i posted a few videos of us doing this crap zone blocking and what a true disaster it was. we even did it on the one yard line weird enough and that was the play najee got drilled and fumbled.


we are at least showing some signs, results are showing. it's a start at least.. still need to give Warren more carries. he had 8 last night to Naj getting it 19, those number need to be more equal.
 
I sure don’t disagree with that. But I also sure couldn’t dump on Muth for not coming up with what would have been a difficult catch there.

The better question/mystery is why Muth isn’t more involved in the passing offense so far this year. We all know Muth isn’t in there for his run blocking but he’s had very few targets over the 1st 3 games.

Hey, that sounds familiar, we’ve had the same musings with Pitt and Bart although he’s starting to get more looks this year compared to last. And I’ll give Bart some credit, he has come up with some tough catches similar to Muth’s failed attempt yesterday.
Just to clarify, that statement isn't only directed at Muth and I don't think the particular play being discussed is a "shoulda/coulda" type of play. Just point out that there haven't been many tough catches made.

I don't know how much you can use your TE's in the passing game when you have 3rd and long this often and refuse to throw meaningful passes over the middle on early downs.
 
Just to clarify, that statement isn't only directed at Muth and I don't think the particular play being discussed is a "shoulda/coulda" type of play. Just point out that there haven't been many tough catches made.

I don't know how much you can use your TE's in the passing game when you have 3rd and long this often and refuse to throw meaningful passes over the middle on early downs.
For what it’s worth, they seemed to throw passes over the middle yesterday more than they typically do. I haven’t seen a route tree diagram to confirm but it sure seemed like they had Pickens going across the middle more so than the typical out down the sideline.

Another thing I didn’t confirm specifically by looking it up but watching the game yesterday, sure seemed like there were a lot of plays with both 88 (Muth) and 83 (Heyward) in the game. And then I saw 80 (Washington) in there a number of times as well.

I guess with Diontae out and generally not overstocked with WRs, they have to play multiple TEs more often. Similarly to try to boost the running game.
 
pickett hitting Muth in the facemask on a big 3rd down that Muth drops. Time to give Mt. Washington some more playing time.
Muth has dropped balls put right on his chest for three straight weeks. Not to mention the occasions last year like the one he essentially handed to that DB along the sideline last year. I think that was the Jets game? That could have been the difference between playoffs and non playoffs.

Granted some of these balls aren’t layups. They’re well defended and put into tight spaces. But Muth is a paid to make an occasional challenging catch every now and again. He’s an athlete. And NFL player. And one with alleged pedigree. So when you’re a bad blocker, it would be nice to be able to make an above average catch and show your worth.
 
But if the guy doesn't drop that gift-wrapped pick six from Pickett, it's a different ballgame.
Who was the receiver Neil O’Donnell was throwing to in Super Bowl 30, who still hasn’t stopped and is probably still running like Forrest Gump? That’s what last nights play looked like to me, except it was Conner Heyward, who I suppose heard that the steeler plane was going to have mechanical issues so he decided to keep running and get a head start back to Pittsburgh. Kenny probably gets the blame if that’s run back for a TD. But in situations like that it’s almost always on the receiver. Looked like he didn’t break off his route and the QB expected him to.
 
I took a few clients out to dinner last week, and somehow Gronk came up in discussion. And the one guy said “he’s no Heath”…and a few others agreed and shook their heads in acknowledgment. I just shook my head to myself in complete amazement of how yinzer people can be. Lol.

And I’ll say this now…muth is no Heath.

Obviously.
 
He is vacating a solid pocket for no reason. If he can't trust his line, it could be time for Mitch. He has regressed badly, and has lost his confidence. Man, it is like the preseason was a complete mirage.

KP has a solid pocket almost never this season. i counted one, maybe two last night. the OL is terrible. they couldn't even block well enough to get a first down to end the game, which never happened in the past.

this is the worst steelers OL i can ever remember. and it's not even close.
 
Muth has dropped balls put right on his chest for three straight weeks. Not to mention the occasions last year like the one he essentially handed to that DB along the sideline last year. I think that was the Jets game? That could have been the difference between playoffs and non playoffs.

Granted some of these balls aren’t layups. They’re well defended and put into tight spaces. But Muth is a paid to make an occasional challenging catch every now and again. He’s an athlete. And NFL player. And one with alleged pedigree. So when you’re a bad blocker, it would be nice to be able to make an above average catch and show your worth.
Now I’m really going to get called out for Muth being my hero but I nonetheless have to call you out for some incorrect hyperbole here. Last week against Cleveland Muth was only targeted 1 time and caught that pass so I don’t know how he dropped one in the chest that game. Yesterday he was targeted 4 times and caught 3, the only incompletion being the difficult, err layup drop that hit him in the chest or face mask, take your pick.
 
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Now I’m really going to get called out for Muth being my hero but I nonetheless have to call you out for some incorrect hyperbole here. Last week against Cleveland Muth was only targeted 1 time and caught that pass so I don’t know how he dropped one in the chest that game. Yesterday he was targeted 4 times and caught 3, the only incompletion being the difficult, err layup drop that hit him in the chest or face mask, take your pick.
Don’t believe that stat can be right…unless it was a couple drops in week 1 that bled over into week 2 in my mind.

Last nights drop wasn’t a layup. But the good ones catch it. I’d give him a pass, except he rarely seems to make a play for his QB.
 
TJ Watt already has more sacks this year in 3 games than he had last year. A healthy Watt is a huge difference for this team. In some ways it has been overlooked but the guy is all-time Steeler great.

Watt is the best Steelers defensive player of my lifetime. Including Polamalu. He is an absolute game-wrecker week in and out and the supporting cast isn't nearly as strong.
 
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Watt is the best Steelers defensive player of my lifetime. Including Polamalu. He is an absolute game-wrecker week in and out and the supporting cast isn't nearly as strong.
Last season, I remember reading a bunch of posts from people on here and elsewhere complaining about the Steelers' defense taking a step back when Watt was out, and how Tomlin and Austin should have accounted for his absence in their game plan. It was absurd. There is nothing you can do to make up for the loss of a future HOF player. Teams will find a way to take advantage of it.
 
Watt is the best Steelers defensive player of my lifetime. Including Polamalu. He is an absolute game-wrecker week in and out and the supporting cast isn't nearly as strong.
Can’t be. PFF had him rated much lower than Garrett last week who had 1 tackle and 1 pressure.
 
Can’t be. PFF had him rated much lower than Garrett last week who had 1 tackle and 1 pressure.

I honestly wouldn't doubt them on this one. Pro Werewolf Focus would look like this:

Oh, you went up against Daniel Moore? Then you probably won like 195% of the plays. You get an A++ .
 
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