Living in his fears
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and that folks, is the epitome of "Living in your fears." i mean, if that doesnt summarize the pittsburgh steelers under tomlin in the last decade, nothing does..
and that is why we will never go 4-13 but we will never win a playoff game too. Our strength is our weakness..
I'm not necessarily adverse to building a run-first team. Like I think that Philly formula is actually decent: it works in cold weather; you don't need a stud QB to succeed; etc.
But we're just nowhere near talented enough to pull it off. The development/lack of development of some of these recent OL draft picks is going to make or break this franchise. Still need a CB and a WR, and you need to start rebuilding that DL. And oh by the way, you might need a QB at some point. But the success of this franchise literally hinges on Jones, Frazier, Fautanu, and McCormick. If those guys become a top 10 OL, it shouldn't be impossible to fill in around them. We shall see how it plays out.
I'm 1,000% in favor of playing for 2-3 years down the road, though. Get what you can for guys like Watt and Minkah. Adopt a "future championship" mindset instead of patching every hole with the best vet you can find in pursuit of a "non-losing" mindset. Get young and let them develop together.
But we're just nowhere near talented enough to pull it off. The development/lack of development of some of these recent OL draft picks is going to make or break this franchise. Still need a CB and a WR, and you need to start rebuilding that DL. And oh by the way, you might need a QB at some point. But the success of this franchise literally hinges on Jones, Frazier, Fautanu, and McCormick. If those guys become a top 10 OL, it shouldn't be impossible to fill in around them. We shall see how it plays out.
I'm 1,000% in favor of playing for 2-3 years down the road, though. Get what you can for guys like Watt and Minkah. Adopt a "future championship" mindset instead of patching every hole with the best vet you can find in pursuit of a "non-losing" mindset. Get young and let them develop together.
The key is a great OL if one has such a philosophy, only after that is settled can such a plan work.....only spend a 1st round draft choice on a once in a generation RB, that is a rule, a generation being 9 years or so in the NFL.
Well Philly has two of the best Wr in the league and a darn Good TE as well. Not to mention a great RB and one of the best OLs in the league
No doubt a balanced offense is needed. But viewing the passing game as a necessary evil that has to be minimized to prevent turnovers is idiotic Woody Hayes would be proud
Tomlin talking offense is both comical and frustrating. Both he and the organization have been pretty awful at finding the identity that it is always talking about. From the OC and OL hires, to drafting Kendrick Green, to playing Dotson on the wrong side, to drafting Najee and Freiermuth, to the combustible George Pickens, to also having no other receivers and having no future to be excited about due to no QB.
I said this on The Fan that the gameplan the Steelers had against one of the worst defenses in football, the Bengals - would have made Woody Hayes look like Don Coryell.
Man...you just outlined a ton of bad, ineffective and terrible decisions.
I don’t copy the rest of the quote from the trib. (Look up the article on the RB postion) but he also said the strategy didn’t work that well at the end of the year. No crap Mike. You were playing better teams Not to mention the offense was never all that great. It’s just the defense wasn’t near as dominant so you were not able to win the rock fights you prefer
What Coach says “I’m not concerned with turnovers on offense. “???
Other than soon to be unemployed ones
Especially after they eviscerated them in the prior game. On the road.
What coach in the NFL entire strategy is to win rock fights and views the passing game as a necessary evil.
There’s a difference in emphasizing winning the turnover battle and the Neanderthal approach Tomlin takes
They also crushed our defense in that game .
Russ fell off a cliff -
Winning another shootout was unlikely .
More possessions for burrow is asking for trouble
Coaches with bad QBs for the last 8 years ?
Buddy - when Ben was healthy - we threw the ball a ton .
Think it’s a coincidence?
But Fautanu will be healthy next year so everything's good. 😊
i hate to say this, but with the talent (or lack thereof) on the steelers roster, young but ineffective OL, 2 mediocre running backs, an average tight end who really cant run block, and one wr with nfl caliber talent who often quits on games, this extremely conservative offensive strategy is probably the best way to squak out enough wins to backdoor your way into a wildcard and then lose by alot in first round..
so if Tomlin had zero say on such things as FA signings, draft picks, off season moves, then i could possibly stick up for him. If Khan the accountant and Fredo Rooney were calling all the shots with Tomlin at the mercy of their decisions, this makes sense. But we all know that's not the case so that's how and why any sticking up for him is silly..
so if Tomlin had zero say on such things as FA signings, draft picks, off season moves, then i could possibly stick up for him. If Khan the accountant and Fredo Rooney were calling all the shots with Tomlin at the mercy of their decisions, this makes sense. But we all know that's not the case so that's how and why any sticking up for him is silly..
Except even his biggest supporters in the national media acknowledge that MMs approach is to play it close to the vest and hope to get a splash play to win the game
This is NOT something he’s done in just the last few years post Ben.
It's so weird because last March, Tomlin's man crush on Wilson had Mike talking about a Super Bowl run. Talked about throwing the deep ball like it was a priority in August. In October, it was about getting Wilson into the lineup and elevating the franchise. Now we're talking about minimizing turnovers from the QB position like it's really the biggest priority.
You all see where we're going with this, right?
You all see where we're going with this, right?
I'm pretty convinced Tomlin isn't even looking to build in Philly's mold. The instant there is a turnover he completely shuts down the passing game. His philosophy right now is maxed out because even a young stud QB won't develop in this type of system.
Everything starts with the offensive line. Without that you aren’t running or passing.
There are so many issues with this team. From drafting to coaching to performance on the field.
They are listlessly floating in a big lake without a paddle.
It's crazy how listless the franchise has been since that 11-0 start in 2020.
They ignored the OL when they had a HOF Qb in Ben and just recently started to address it. But even then they still have a stiff coaching them Go figure
But yeah I agree it all starts and ends with the OL
They led the league (or close to it) in % of first down plays in which they ran the football.
And they were at or near the bottom in yards per 1st down attempt.
Don’t they have analytics guys who can point this out to the coaches? Heck, it was apparent to the naked eye…so no analytics guy needed.
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What’s funny is you guys are all discussing mikes conservative approach to offense. Yet, his “keep the lid on” defense is just as conservative.
When you play good teams, those teams often win. This formula doesn’t work. The sooner Rooney has the foresight to look at the big picture instead of the short term, the sooner the Steelers get out of this.
Btw, why are you all so obsessed with discussing the Steelers this off-season? I know this is a message board and all, and that’s what message boards are for, but I’m told we shouldn’t be discussing these things. We are supposed to embrace the mediocrity.
Personally I think the team should embrace being awful. That’s the only chance out of this purgatory. Rip the band aid off.
When you play good teams, those teams often win. This formula doesn’t work. The sooner Rooney has the foresight to look at the big picture instead of the short term, the sooner the Steelers get out of this.
Btw, why are you all so obsessed with discussing the Steelers this off-season? I know this is a message board and all, and that’s what message boards are for, but I’m told we shouldn’t be discussing these things. We are supposed to embrace the mediocrity.
Personally I think the team should embrace being awful. That’s the only chance out of this purgatory. Rip the band aid off.
yeah, all my comments were about offense only. the defensive strategies were a disaster too, not even going to attempl to support that. Austin needs fired yesterday.
If he gets fired but Mike brings in another yes man, then he’s just rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Titanic.
How fitting of an acronym btw
RMS= Rooney’s mediocre Steelers
Frustrating PIT drafted Green to be a center when he was a guard in college. Soon after that awful pick the Broncos took that mauling left guard, Meinerz, who just signed a massive second contract. He and Dotson (back to right guard, his natural position) and those spots are set for a while.
No matter what he says, his actions prove that he constantly lives in his fears.
He's afraid to hire coordinators that are smarter and will challenge him...
He's afraid to change the way he coaches (more offense)...
He's afraid to change his defense...
He's afraid to discipline his players...
What he ain't afraid of is getting fired....
So the rest of us should live in our fears as well.... We should all stop going to games or watching it on TV for fear of a heart attack, stroke, depression or thoughts of suicide....
He's afraid to hire coordinators that are smarter and will challenge him...
He's afraid to change the way he coaches (more offense)...
He's afraid to change his defense...
He's afraid to discipline his players...
What he ain't afraid of is getting fired....
So the rest of us should live in our fears as well.... We should all stop going to games or watching it on TV for fear of a heart attack, stroke, depression or thoughts of suicide....
The Rooney's are the problem. This is acceptable to them because they are better than the Jets. And the problem is, the bootlicker local media never ask a follow up tough question.
When the one Rooney said "they are still at the top half of the league in winning", a good journalist would come back and list the 8 teams who haven't won a playoff game since the Steelers last won one and said "but this franchise has fallen behind most of the league when it comes to being competitive in the playoffs" and see what squirrely answer that would command.
When the one Rooney said "they are still at the top half of the league in winning", a good journalist would come back and list the 8 teams who haven't won a playoff game since the Steelers last won one and said "but this franchise has fallen behind most of the league when it comes to being competitive in the playoffs" and see what squirrely answer that would command.
Honestly discussing the Steelers pens and pirates is far more interesting than discussing Pitt football.
Man. I’ve long gotten past being that emotionally invested in local sports teams. I suppose over 30 years of Pitt teams stealing defeat from the jaws of victory will do that to you.
This year I actually enjoyed watching the Steelers fade down the stretch
I've been over Tomlin for a while so I find it easier to step back and treat the Steelers from an outsider's perspective. Same as I have done with the Pirates for a couple of decades. It's so much less stressful.
Don’t know since it’s a meaningless stat .
If we hold the bengals offense to 19 points we should win easily
But you mentioned "More possessions for burrow is asking for trouble", so how do you limit those possessions if you don't possess the ball?
