this is pure comedy. What about his lack of a coaching tree?
Living in his fears
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Saw an article, but wasn’t interested in reading it, about the Steelers lagging at the bottom of the league in 4th down analytics. The league has changed and coaches are going for it on 4th down much more frequently than ever before. But not the Steelers.
So yet another indicator for the Steelers living in their fears.
Preferably by the defense getting stops and the offense actually stinging together multiple first downs and scoring drives ?
That’ Wilson has what , only 4 completions in the first half and only 1 over 10 yards .
Limits your offense quite a bit when the veteran qb is playing like a rookie
To his credit he knew he had a HOF QB so he didn’t handcuff Ben, he knew he had a HOF DC, so he kept Dick LeBeau and let Dick run the defense. He doesn’t seem to be that open minded anymore. Imagine if he had Troy today. Do you think you’d see Troy around the LOS as much as he was? Or would he be used to keep a lid on things and thus deployed 15 yards off the ball like Minkah? It’s a fair question.
But guys always revert to who they are as they age. Mike has become set in his conservative football ways. It’s a great formula for moderate regular season success…if that’s your goal.
He kind of did because he became overly enamored with players the team didn't really need as badly while completely ignoring the OL that was really never that great in front of Ben. It was almost like Tomlin expected Ben to keep dodging jailbreak blitzes into his 50's. Every one of those incredible highlights of Ben evading pass rushers makes you wonder how good they could have been if the dude didn't have to run for his life all the time.
Ben was the defacto QB. But pointing to THE problem as we remember, Art II came out and said "we need to run the ball more" and well..............here we are.
Well why are you on a Pitt board? Take your ass to a Steelers message boards. Guys like you make me ill. If you dont like Pitt get off this board. People like you are not needed on a Pitt site.
It truely is amazing, that so many like you come on here like you could care less about Pitt, and act like you dont realize its a Pitt message board. If I wasnt a fan, or disliked a particular team, I would never go to that team's board. Just goes to show, how much some people wants to be noticed.
No...limits the veteran QB when you have a gameplan that is designed for a freshman in the wishbone.
The slide started happening when we drafted Najee and Friermuth so early in the draft. Those types of players as we know can be found later in the draft.
If you don’t like non Pitt posts don’t read them. Maybe even more to the point don’t participate in them.
It’s truly amazing how many people are incapable of just passing by topics they aren’t interested in and feel the need to be board police.
And need to be noticed? Are you kidding? Pot meet kettle.
Sit still ffs.
Well don't forget Kenny and especially Terrell Edmunds (we passed on Lamar Jackson)
That definitely is part of it, and much of that is on Tomlin because they went into 4-5 straight drafts strictly looking for a specific position instead of drafting the top available player. Now granted if you have a 24 year old Ben and a top QB is available you aren't drafting him. But if you need a Safety or CB (hi Artie Burns didn't forget about you either) and the best available has a rd 2 or even 3 grade on them, then you draft another position and hope in rd 2 or 3 you are able to get a guy.
His brother Jim came out and said it!
No doubt. As a matter of fact, as I was composing my message, I thought about Edmunds and Pickett too… However, I was thinking more in terms of toys they drafted specifically for Ben. Najee to give Ben a running game and Pat to give Ben a security blanket.
But.to… However, I was thinking more in terms of toys they drafted specifically for Ben. Najee to give Ben a running game and Pat to give Ben a security blanket.
But as far as the overall slide of the Steelers, I would include Edmunds, Najee and Pat (who were/are fine pros but not first or second day worthy), as well as Pickett (although the slide was happening before him), and I’ll include giving away the draft pick for Minkah…which did nothing but help keep the non losing streak alive. And they could have got Herbert with the Minkah pick.
No almost about it.
Ben was able to mask so many deficiencies they didn’t have to change anything around him. Now, they are paying the price.
So many teams do just the same thing, or worse. The NFL is a money-printing operation.
Look at the Raiders, the new stadium in Las Vegas just prints money. They can always expect thousands of visiting fans for games so tickets will always be at a premium. They haven’t won the Super since 1983.
Hell, that’s Pitt Football level of incompetence.
Where did I say I didnt like Pitt. Pray tell what is there to talk about with regards to Pitt FB right now? And truthfully if you're being honest, with the change in landscape in CFB, Pitts prospects of having an exciting season are fading. Thats not to say theres no reason to follow Pitt or root for them.
Pretty good summary of how the Rooneys have embraced Mediocrity. They are quite comfortable with MM.
No
Age is undefeated
Plus he’s no longer mobile enough to compensate for his short stature
Kevin Colbert erasure
Buddy - if you thjnk the slide happened because we drafted a safety who started every game for 5 years -
I don’t know what say .
He didn’t say that. It was many moves similar to Edmunds (combined with mediocre coaching tactics and philosophies).
Drafting Edmunds is an example of the awful series of personnel decisions (player and coaching) made by the Steelers brass (of which Tomlin plays a major role) that lead to the mediocre team that they are today.
There were way better players than Edmunds in that draft. Jessie Bates played in the pro bowl at Safety and went mid-Second.
List of players taken after Edmunds (just to show how bad that pick was)
- Lamar Jackson
- Nick Chubb
- Shaquille Leonard (Rookie of the Year)
- Courtland Sutton
- Harold Landry
Steelers grabbed Mason Rudolph and Baltimore took Orlando Brown a half-dozen pics later. Mind you, the Steelers ended up running Matt Feiler at RT with Villanueva at LT despite taking Okorafor late in that round.
We don't talk about the 2018 draft nearly enough but it was pretty bad. All they got was a backup QB and a backup tackle they extended on the cheap and then cut two years later.
When you have an aging QB or no QB, a strong running game is a good alternative to forcing a bad QB to air it out. Unfortunately, the execution of running the ball more has been a total disaster.
Teams will just stack the box like they did to Ben the last two years. If you want to run in the NFL, you need an OL. You'd think that if a team wanted to run like that, they'd do everything they could to stack the deck up front and not lose in the trenches on 4th and one.
With all they've invested in the offensive line with such little development as a unit, it is absolutely stunning they have not made a move with the OL coach yet.
Ravens OL was in bad shape going into this season and they go and draft and make some moves and replace three of their five starters. Now that's investing in the OL. Heck, they even won a playoff game!
Thank you. The smartest man in the room doesn't understand context and comprehension.
A series of awful decisions. That was my point. What kind of fargin idiot that think I meant one specific player decision?
A coach had high expectations??
News at 11!
I want coaches who say the team stinks so don’t expect much !
You pointed to 3 picks
All starters the entire time
It’s a silly proposition
Don’t get upset since your straw man fell over .
And of course Kevin Colbert was left around too long after art took over - and what did he do ?
Promoted from within !
Oh, was Duzz selling CFP tickets last spring or would that have been unrealistic?
Your love affair with Tomlin is kind of embarrassing.
You aren't getting it. They were starters, but mediocre starters. I mean Artie Burns started. Are you suggesting that was a worthy 1st rd pick? Kenny started, so was that a good pick? Edmunds started, so that makes him a good pick? They had no one else. And while Colbert was there, Tomlin was running the show back then and Art certainly wasn't his dad who famously convinced Cowher to take Ben over a Tackle and Chuck Noll to take Franco when he wanted Robert Newhouse.
You are losing this argument and you don't even realize it. God, please don't refill my prescription.
Yep. A sure symptom of trying to prop up an aging franchise QB. They try to put a bandaid on a hemorrhage and squeeze another year or two out of him.
Every franchise falls into that trap, and they always fail.
Like drafting Ben his center and reaching for Greene. Another disastrous move!!
I could start breaking down drafts and pointing to the players the Steelers passed on and create pro bowl rosters. Not just that but the misguided priorities. LB heavy draft and they're taking two safeties. OL heavy drafts and they're taking a RB and TE. Picking guys and asking them to play another position. They seem to become enamored with a player and are impressed with themselves for sitting around and waiting on their diamonds in the rough to fall to them. I sometimes imagine other draft rooms smiling to themselves when the Steelers take guys they have slotted much lower.
I think part of the Steelers lore is that the franchise was so aggressive on the field. We all know how tough the team was in the 70's and early 80's and then they found that aggressive, pressure defense again under Cowher. For a while with Ben they even looked aggressive offensively but it's almost like preserving this stupid streak became more important and Tomlin turned a strength into a weakness. "We don't live in our fears," but then immediately talking about their fears is telling.
They drafted Rudolph as the successor and Ben wasn’t having it. Did nothing to help or support Mason. Ben’s an asshole. He sits in his basement and has a lot of interesting things to say. He’s critical of the Steelers and Tomlin just as 90% of the world is right now. But he’s a hypocrite. Mason was not a first round QB even though the Steelers say he was and they wasted a draft pick on him. But Ben showed that even if he was, he had no interest in helping him become the heir and keep the steeler train rolling.
