Living in his fears
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But......I know the 1974 draft was a all time HR, but they had two competent WR's and still took Swann and Stallworth because they thought they could be great. They had Ray Mansfield at Center and still took Webster. They actually had a MLB but took Lambert. The year they drafted Woodson, he fell to them even though everyone was clamoring for them to take a RB. So yeah.....they pretty much subscribed to taking the top guys on their board over a specific position. I mean ties go to need I am sure. But they really gotten away from this.
Did Duzz say we can’t win the ACC?
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As for the team’s prospects this fall: “With a 12-team playoffs, we’re going to have a chance to get there. If you become one of these teams in the playoffs, things will explode here in Pittsburgh.” Overall, he added: “We expect to be in the playoffs and win a national championship. That’s what we expect to do."
Now sit down
Okay. I'll worship Tomlin with you. Is there a t-shirt I'm supposed to wear or do we get funny hats?
It’s okay your point got destroyed .
Coaches goals are always to win championships.
It was a stupid point!
Tomlin is the absolute worst offensive mind among all NFL coaches, possessing the ball and minimizing risk doesn't win anything, MODERN AGGRESSIVE PASSING OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS, NOT DEFENSE AND RUNNING THE BALL.
It only works in Philly because they're top to bottom the most talented team in football. They have two WRs who are very near All-Pro level. They can throw it a lot, and well, they just choose not to.
The Steelers - hell, most teams - will have a very hard time replicating that model.
Yup. The threat of the pass makes the run game that Much more effective.
Truth is really good offenses have BOTH. You can’t be a great offense being one dimensional.
Well, bottom line, I don't thing devoting a bunch of capital to the trenches is a bad thing. I don't want to be some air raid team playing in Pittsburgh in January (try not to laugh - I know we're a long way from that). The Rams were cooked as soon as it began to snow in Philly. Otherwise, they might have won that game.
Philly has had to replace some linemen and hasn't missed a beat. And they could probably plug at least 20 guys in at QB who would succeed there, too. Seems like a much better formula than a team like, say, Cincinnati, which has proven its limitations even with a top 5 quarterback and two of the best receivers in the league.
There is definitely nuance to it all, but I'd rather build in Philly's blueprint than a lot of other teams'.
But but but you have to have a franchise Qb
Philly has done an outstanding job of filling out their roster on both sides of the ball through the draft and via Free agency The eagles defense is near the bottom of the league is salary and yet their defense is far better than the Steelers. Same with the chiefs.
It all starts in the trenches and then the skill positions.
I don't think Hurts is anything special, honestly. Their 3rd stringer looked good in that offense.
Well he's going to his second Super Bowl in three years so there's that.
He's certainly competent. But special? Not sure. Gardner Minshew might be able to lead that team to a Super Bowl the way Barkley is running the ball right now.
Well...he may not be special - but he's more than serviceable seeing that he was MVP runner up a few seasons ago.
I just don't invest in the Steelers as my primary team anymore. I have NFL Sunday Ticket. If the Steelers are playing, they'll be one of my 4 boxes along with Red Zone and teams with interesting offenses (Houston, Philly, Cinci, Minnesota, Miami, Detroit). I simply don't have enough years left on the Earth to keep surrendering 100% of my attention to Michael Pettaway Tomlin's school of clock control football and media soundbytes. The Yinzers can go down with the ship if they want. But there are other avenues for self-preservation and I'm taking them.
There was an article in the Post Gazette this weekend that highlighted how all of the teams that advanced in the playoffs, all had larger coaching staffs than the Steelers. Not saying that was a 1:1 correlation, because most teams do. I am not sure who is the cause of that however, Tomlin or Rooney??
THE ROONEY FAMILY IS EVIL AND WANT TOMLIN TO FAIL
I'm of the mind that you should almost always take a QB because the upside of hitting on one is practically limitless. But there's really no upside to a 24 year old Round 1 RB. Even Bijan Robinson - who is like 5x better than Najee - is only barely paying off. There's really no difference between Najee and a ton of other guys. Hell, we could have re-signed James "more explosive Najee" Connor for about $4 million and no draft cost.
Pickett had a R1 grade and they had no QB. Yeah he didn't work and yeah he probably wasn't a high ceiling player, but in a better system he might have been Brock Purdy or Tannehill and that's worth gambling on unless you have a clearly superior option (and they didn't).
People are always like "well the Steelers are a cheap staff, that's why they don't have more coaches!" but they paid Tomlin $16 million per year (tied for 3rd). That doesn't seem cheap to me. If he got paid like other guys who make the WC and do no better, e.g., Stefanski and McDaniel, they'd have another $12.5 million per year for other coaches. I bet you can hire a freaking army of assistants for $12 million.
How many of those coaches have 18 years of HC experience
You folks act like the owners are cash poor -
They decide to keep a small staff because they don’t value the assistants
So now tenure alone is worth a 4.5x pay multiple?
Dawg every single thing you say in Tomlin's defense makes him look worse lol. I'm not sure if it's just Tomlin or if you're actually this bad at comprehension and analysis in other areas of life but you're starting to worry me that you may need to be in a conservatorship.
Yeah, calling the owners cheap seems like a pretty easy claim to either affirm or deny. As it turns out, we have one of the highest-paid coaching staffs in the NFL, and it's not particularly close.
Now, if you want to argue that Mike Tomlin - who makes up the bulk of that expense - is one of the worst investments in professional sports... agreed!
Exactly. It's a small staff, but it's by no means a cheap one.
This is Tomlin's payout per win (I didn't go above 12 wins because he hasn't done that in 7 years):
12 wins - $1.33 million ea
11 wins - $1.45 million ea
10 wins - $1.6 million ea
9 wins - $1.77 million ea
8 wins - $2 million ea
7 wins - $2.28 million ea
I think that probably makes Tomlin the most expensive coach per win in the NFL.
Interestingly, Tomlin is making so much money that it's the same cost per win if Stefanski wins 3 games and Tomlin wins 12. Tomlin really needs to have a big year to get close to justifying his $16 million and he never really does.
Mike McCarthy, a pretty good Tomlin comp, made $5 million last year.
MIKE TOMLIN DOESN'T NEED ASSISTANTS.....HE IS A GENIUS THAT WINS HALF OF HIS GAMES DESPITE ALL THE NASTY THINGS THE ROONEY'S DO TO HIM
If so, then it’s because they value the HC and think he’s capable of overcoming it…which he clearly isn’t.
Owner isn’t good enough
Coach isn’t good enough.
Change is needed.
Honestly running back Canada with a young 1st round QB who needed coaching and development was a fireable offense.
*Malpractice
*Incompetence
is this true? Because in no universe is Mike Tomlin worth almost 10 million more than McCarthy! They have the same resume. Actually McCarthys is better.
McCarthy has one more division championship than MT
McCarthy has a far superior playoff record than MT
Tomlin has to be the worlds best con man.
Unless of course outperforming the mean is the goal and not playoff success. At which case the owner isn’t getting conned…as he’s getting what he wants.
They pay the head coach to the detriment of the whole team. Mike Tomlin NEEDS top tier assistants because he isn’t brilliant enough to design a scheme that wins on both sides of the ball and they hire the cheapest options at OC and DC and it shows….the only time they hire good quality Coordinators is when they are still getting paid HC money from another team or they know they will never be a HC again. They only got Haley and Smith because they are former HC’s who wanted a chance to coach again. Other than that Tomlin picks awful OC’s and DC’s ( unless it’s ownership who gives him a budget restriction)
Ok, upon further research, I have seen numbers from $4 million - $8 million per year. The more established sources (McShay) reported roughly $8 million per year.
But still that's a substantial premium for Tomlin. 2x for a coach with a near-identical resume. $8 million would probably buy 10-15 assistant coaches.
It’s insane how controlling the Rooneys are
They
1. Determine the offensive and defensive schemes
2. Select and hire the coaching staff
3 make all personnel decisions
Poor Mike only has imput into the game play and game day decisions. If only he had a greater national stature he’d have more influence on those other decisions. He’s the only coach in the NFL that doesn’t have input
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Giving him an extension was bad enough. The fact that it came with a raise makes me wonder if Britney Spears' dad needs to be the gatekeeper over the Rooney finances. Nobody with a sound mind would ever do such a thing. It's like having a hole in your roof and, instead of calling a roofer to fix it, taking a sledgehammer to it until it's twice as large and then dumping the contents of 350 cannisters of McCafe Colombian Roast inside said abyss. Make no sense? Exactly!
But Mike McCarthy never played in the same division as the Ravens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even though he has what, won like 8 of the past 10 against them.
Art II's "State of the Team" address today didn't exactly inspire confidence.
Listened to Art Jr.'s press conference today.
Hard to hear with the sound of all the heads exploding around here!
Hard to hear with the sound of all the heads exploding around here!
He's 100% behind MT. Says anyone who has won that many NFL games clearly knows what he's doing.
Also he's disappointed.
They'll more than likely sign either Fields or Watson.
That's about it.
