Losing the fans and the team

[Dan1911]

HCPN’s handling of the OC/QB/offense has lost the fans. The empty seats will be undeniable.

What’s worse, I think he lost the team. The defense isn’t really this bad, they just gave up. So much of a defense is emotion/intensity, but they have to have a reason to believe.

I’m not saying this defense is Georgia, I’m just saying they’d be better if they had hope. That and the fact that this incompetent offense has the defense on the field all game long.

Given PN’s management of cigs/Jurko, they’ve given up.


That’s bad…REAL bad.

 

[pierre93]

HCPN’s handling of the OC/QB/offense has lost the fans. The empty seats will be undeniable.

What’s worse, I think he lost the team. The defense isn’t really this bad, they just gave up. So much of a defense is emotion/intensity, but they have to have a reason to believe.

I’m not saying this defense is Georgia, I’m just saying they’d be better if they had hope. That and the fact that this incompetent offense has the defense on the field all game long.

Given PN’s management of cigs/Jurko, they’ve given up.


That’s bad…REAL bad.

Yes the players are VERY upset and aren't happy. This I know, H2P!!!!

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

That's why, in spite of defending Jurkovec's first half performance against UNC, I thought we should have went with Veilleux that week. Sometimes you'll see the rest of the team pick up their game and take the guy under their wing.

At this point, you have to let the younger QBs play. Even if you simplified the playbook to ten plays you'd be better off than what we have now.

Cincy - 21 offensive points
WVU - 6 offensive points
UNC - 17 offensive points
VT - 14 offensive points

So that's, what... 58 total against the FBS? About 14.5/game? I don't think you could do worse than that.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I’m going to have to sell my tix at a fraction of the costs
It’s not worth the 6 mile trip to watch this train wreck

 

[Dan1911]

Yes the players are VERY upset and aren't happy. This I know, H2P!!!!

What have you heard? Any reports/links?

 

[pierre93]

What have you heard? Any reports/links?

That the players aren't happy with the Jurk/Cignetti show. Too many egos

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

HCPN’s handling of the OC/QB/offense has lost the fans. The empty seats will be undeniable.

What’s worse, I think he lost the team. The defense isn’t really this bad, they just gave up. So much of a defense is emotion/intensity, but they have to have a reason to believe.

I’m not saying this defense is Georgia, I’m just saying they’d be better if they had hope. That and the fact that this incompetent offense has the defense on the field all game long.

Given PN’s management of cigs/Jurko, they’ve given up.


That’s bad…REAL bad.

The defense blows. Its just not as bad as the offense. They let CJ Donaldson get 100 yards on 5 yards a carry in a very low possession game. Also couldn't stop Cincy in the 1st Half.

 

[Hardslider21]

That's why, in spite of defending Jurkovec's first half performance against UNC, I thought we should have went with Veilleux that week. Sometimes you'll see the rest of the team pick up their game and take the guy under their wing.

At this point, you have to let the younger QBs play. Even if you simplified the playbook to ten plays you'd be better off than what we have now.

Cincy - 21 offensive points
WVU - 6 offensive points
UNC - 17 offensive points
VT - 14 offensive points

So that's, what... 58 total against the FBS? About 14.5/game? I don't think you could do worse than that.

While I agree … Iowa averaged 9.4 last season so it can get worse

 

[DaveTrout]

The defense blows. Its just not as bad as the offense. They let CJ Donaldson get 100 yards on 5 yards a carry in a very low possession game. Also couldn't stop Cincy in the 1st Half.

The defense was on the field for 37 minutes last night. They were exhausted. Three and outs don't give them a chance to catch their breath.

 

[thebadby2]

The defense was on the field for 37 minutes last night. They were exhausted. Three and outs don't give them a chance to catch their breath.

And when the D is working hard and getting stops, but the O can’t sustain a drive and score, it’s very demoralizing to the defensive guys. Eventually, you quit.

 

[pierre93]

Until PN rids himself of Cig/Jurkovec it's not even worth talking about which is pathetic.

 

[Jim Z]

HCPN’s handling of the OC/QB/offense has lost the fans. The empty seats will be undeniable.

What’s worse, I think he lost the team. The defense isn’t really this bad, they just gave up. So much of a defense is emotion/intensity, but they have to have a reason to believe.

I’m not saying this defense is Georgia, I’m just saying they’d be better if they had hope. That and the fact that this incompetent offense has the defense on the field all game long.

Given PN’s management of cigs/Jurko, they’ve given up.


That’s bad…REAL bad.

The next thing will be recruits. The few he had will move on and who could blame them. He was a mediocre recruiter to begin with but with the bottom falling out his faux tough guy persona isn't working

 

[pierre93]

Narduzzi's shelf life has expired

 

[PittPharm2002]

The defense was on the field for 37 minutes last night. They were exhausted. Three and outs don't give them a chance to catch their breath.

Pitt gave up 21 in the first half. Then 14 more in the 3rd quarter
Stop it .

 

[DaveTrout]

They gave up 7 on a 10 yard drive. Keep it in perspective.

 

[Jim Z]

They gave up 7 on a 10 yard drive. Keep it in perspective.

Narduzzi's vaunted D gave up 38 points to a bad football team. VT scored their most points of the season against Pitt. And their previous opponents weren't murderers row. Spinning feces doesn't change what it is

 

[PittPharm2002]

They gave up 7 on a 10 yard drive. Keep it in perspective.

First TD 65 yards given up
Second td 95 yards
3rd TD 66 yards
For fuller perspective .
But tell me how exhausted they were for playing slightly more than half the minutes

 

[DaveTrout]

Yes, perspective.

Narduzzi's vaunted D gave up 38 points to a bad football team. VT scored their most points of the season against Pitt. And their previous opponents weren't murderers row. Spinning feces doesn't change what it is

No argument at all on the fact that the D played poorly. I'm simply saying that I don't think they quit. They were gassed.

 

[DaveTrout]

First TD 65 yards given up
Second td 95 yards
3rd TD 66 yards
For fuller perspective .
But tell me how exhausted they were for playing slightly more than half the minutes

Exactly. When you have an offense that can't stay on the field, you have a D that gets worn down and gives up big plays.

 

[Jim Z]

Yes, perspective.

No argument at all on the fact that the D played poorly. I'm simply saying that I don't think they quit. They were gassed.

20 yr old athletes shouldn't tire so easily. The best that can be said about Narduzzi's defense is that it's better than his offense

 

[briano25]

First TD 65 yards given up
Second td 95 yards
3rd TD 66 yards
For fuller perspective .
But tell me how exhausted they were for playing slightly more than half

The defense was on the field for 37 minutes last night. They were exhausted. Three and outs don't give them a chance to catch their breath.

The defense stinks. There is no defending their performance

 

[W1np1tt]

Narduzzi's shelf life has expired

9/30/2023

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They gave up 7 on a 10 yard drive. Keep it in perspective.

Could they not have held to a FG? The D is bad, bro

 

[Jeffburgh]

Yes, perspective.

No argument at all on the fact that the D played poorly. I'm simply saying that I don't think they quit. They were gassed.

I think is it both ... It is a bit harsh to say "give up" but as someone else noted, it is demoralizing when you KNOW the offense is doing to $hit the bed.

That is what them getting run over was about. They just don't have the extra burn you need to make big plays, and it goes the other way, too. VT was smelling blood, they know Pitt was weak coming in and it was a game they could get healthy in. SO, they were giving 101%, that extra little bit to make their QB look like Earl Campbell.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Yes the players are VERY upset and aren't happy. This I know, H2P!!!!

i would be concerned if they werent upset.

 

[pittguy81]

It's bizarre how Narduzzi has tied Jurkovec to him like an anchor. Any HC worth his salt would have given the backup a chance given the way he was playing after the first TD pass. This Pitt team is playing like a Major's II team.

 

[upj87]

I’m going to have to sell my tix at a fraction of the costs
It’s not worth the 6 mile trip to watch this train wreck

good luck finding that customer base at any cost...

 

[PittPharm2002]

good luck finding that customer base at any cost...

Thankful the FSu fans are still excited, so those sold at a premium price

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

The defense missed a TON of tackles, a lot of which should have been TFLs. VT seemed to always get yards after contact. They also were killing Pitt with their screen game. I know Danielson and Kamara didn’t play Saturday, but really all season the D, and specifically the DL has lacked playmakers.

The one positive I can say is that younger dudes like McMillon and Lovelace have shown promise.

 

[NCPitt]

HCPN’s handling of the OC/QB/offense has lost the fans. The empty seats will be undeniable.

What’s worse, I think he lost the team. The defense isn’t really this bad, they just gave up. So much of a defense is emotion/intensity, but they have to have a reason to believe.

I’m not saying this defense is Georgia, I’m just saying they’d be better if they had hope. That and the fact that this incompetent offense has the defense on the field all game long.

Given PN’s management of cigs/Jurko, they’ve given up.


That’s bad…REAL bad.

True fans are never lost. The only fans that get lost are the "fair weather" variety.

 

[upj87]

Thankful the FSu fans are still excited, so those sold at a premium price

atta boy....

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

It's bizarre how Narduzzi has tied Jurkovec to him like an anchor. Any HC worth his salt would have given the backup a chance given the way he was playing after the first TD pass. This Pitt team is playing like a Major's II team.

Yes. It’s one thing if they were rolling with a freshman QB with promise, but who was making mistakes right now. Fans can live with that.

But Jurkovec stunk coming in from the beginning too. He had shown no hint of upside in THREE YEARS of college ball. He failed at two different schools already; the only decent game he ever had was, of course, against Narduzzi’s awful defense.

Maybe that’s what is clouding this idiot’s judgement. Maybe the only game Duz ever actually saw this guy play was the BC game against us, and the success couldn’t POSSIBLY have been because HIS defense sucked. Right? So Jurk MUST be awesome.

Our situation is also different than most because the OC might be at least as much of the problem as the QB, but they were a package deal! So it’s likely BOTH of them need to go. However, it’s mid season and Pitt won’t spend the money or the effort to fire the OC, but they CAN bench the other part of the cancer. The fact that he refuses to do so is what has fans infuriated. Fans are the customers and have every right to expect, DEMAND, that the employees try everything in their power to deliver a better product. Are the backups better products? Who the hell would know? He hasn’t tried them in games. They likely get next to no reps in practices. How the hell would HE know? “I trust the coach’s judgement”. His judgement has been bowel movement on this topic! We should be more apt to trust the OPPOSITE of his judgment as this point.

It doesn’t flunking matter because from top to bottom this school doesn’t give a FK about football or winning. It’s been that way since 1985. This program should be on it’s KNEES in thanks that it still has fans and we’re still passionate enough to be pissed off.

But that passion can only last so long. Of this isn’t changing, this university will be severely punished where it hurts most, the financials. No more attendance this year. No donations. No sales next year. Totally empty stands next season. And it’s totally deserved

 

[NCLee]

A little birdie stated that the team is beside itself right now.

 

[TD_6082]

Narduzzi's shelf life has expired

So soon?

Even James Franklin hit some huge speed bumps back in 2020 & 2021.

How's his shelf like looking these days?

 

[Jeffburgh]

The defense missed a TON of tackles, a lot of which should have been TFLs. VT seemed to always get yards after contact. They also were killing Pitt with their screen game. I know Danielson and Kamara didn’t play Saturday, but really all season the D, and specifically the DL has lacked playmakers.

The one positive I can say is that younger dudes like McMillon and Lovelace have shown promise.

that was a concern some of us had coming into the season, who would be the guys like SVD or Halley or who made the big plays.

Hayes has the talent and is making some plays, but doesn't have that thing where he make the big play in the big moment.

 

[Jeffburgh]

A little birdie stated that the team is beside itself right now.

As they should be, and totally predictable going into WVU even. Just could not afford to ride PJ over the cliff like he has.

 

[pierre93]

So soon?

Even James Franklin hit some huge speed bumps back in 2020 & 2021.

How's his shelf like looking these days?

Your infatuation with frankie is beyond creepy. Go lather up with him.

 

[thebadby2]

that was a concern some of us had coming into the season, who would be the guys like SVD or Halley or who made the big plays.

Hayes has the talent and is making some plays, but doesn't have that thing where he make the big play in the big moment.

He lacks a high motor, takes plays off. So do some of the other DLs. IMO that's the biggest thing missing from this year's DL group and one of the biggest differences from the last couple of groups. By simple eyeball test, our motor guy appears to be Nate Temple, but his talent ceiling is pretty low.

The LB group was sketchy even at full health. Kamara is a physical specimen but he continues to be routinely lost in his assignments after 4 years.

 

[pittbb80]

I said after the Wvu game that Duzz continued support of Jerk risks losing the team. Every other position has to produce or they sit. When you claim it’s a completion every week and give the guy playing the most important position on the team a pass for putrid play the line about putting the best players in the field rings hollow

Until the VT game I thought the D was Ok. They didn’t show up at all against VT. While I think the talent is way overrated they are good enough to shut down a crappy offense like VT. In the second half they simply pitched the ball left and right and repeatedly got to the corner. They raved about the DL prospects and the DBs and they’ve been average at best.

Really need to hope Sparty has a brain fart and hires him away because Pitt isn’t firing him for at least another year. This program is a dumpster fire and it’s only going to get worse unless Duzz suddenly gets his head out of his behind

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Your infatuation with frankie is beyond creepy. Go lather up with him.

Dude literally argued with me last year that cignetti runs the same offense as Alabama. Honestly pretty amazing. He has also said repeatedly scheme doesn’t matter which at the college level is particularly absurd