Maryland Football Coach, AD, & President to be Fired?

[BuffetParrothead]

Another over reaction in AcademicVille.

I can't wait to see who the replacements but you can kinda guess where this is going.

The bad news for Maryland is you did all this supposed "bad stuff" and your football program still su-ked?

I guess they'll wait until its 75 f to run practices from now on?


"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

 

[rmf05]

Md fans are just pissed at everyone and looking to sack folks for any reason. They are as angry about leaving the ACC as we've been about the script.

 

[paulbl99]

Thought initially the ACC loss of MD was a big deal....what a dump.

They’ll be broke shortly as well if they aren’t still.

 

[PittFanDan17]

Thought initially the ACC loss of MD was a big deal....what a dump.

They’ll be broke shortly as well if they aren’t still.

They have Under Armour, they arent going anywhere.

 

[wbrpanther]

Another over reaction in AcademicVille.

I can't wait to see who the replacements but you can kinda guess where this is going.

The bad news for Maryland is you did all this supposed "bad stuff" and your football program still su-ked?

I guess they'll wait until its 75 f to run practices from now on?


"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

Tell that to the parents of that kid that died.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

You know, they threw the trainer under the bus, he is gone, but the way I look at it is the trainer wouldn't have behaved like that without the culture that was being fostered under Durkin.

That being said, sometimes people die. Sometimes they have a defective heart condition or something....but in this case, it was more like the PSU fraternity case, there was many opportunities to save the kid and stop this, but that never happened.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Tell that to the parents of that kid that died.

It's very unfortunate that he died but I doubt the AD and President were responsible.

People die when practicing or playing sports from lots of things especially unknown medical issues, etc. We had a HS star who had a stroke in practice? Noone blamed the coach or the HS?
A wrestler in the area died not to long ago in the wrestling room? Noone blamed the coach or the HS.

A local doctor told us lots of these kids take legal and some not so legal performance enhancers which takes a toll on the body especially in the heat and with limited water consumption. If you're one of those athletes you have to monitor your body because you just moved yourself to a higher risk profile by taking the performance enhancers.

Both our kids played football and wrestled and we wouldn't let them take performance enhancers due to the risks. We also made sure they had adequate medical reviews prior to each season to be sure there weren't hidden medical issues.

The body can take alot of abuse unless you mess with "mother nature."

Just consider soldiers in desert heat, no breaks, moving all day, no place to hide from the sun, bullet proof vests, body armour, full packs, weapons, ammo, etc.

You don't hear much about heat related deaths in the military but you do in sports. Somethings different!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams

 

[Chem95]

Yes, sometimes there are heart conditions and other medical factors. But, didn't the coroner's report say that it was almost an hour before someone called the paramedics? I don't think that there is an over reaction in this case....

 

[paulbl99]

They have Under Armour, they arent going anywhere.

That’s true.

Then again no amount of revenue can’t be exceeded by expenditures...especially by government like bureaucrats in US Colleges.

And sometimes money can be fleeting

 

[HailtoPitt]

I watched the movie Miracle the other day, and there is a scene where Herb Brooks makes the team skate lines until the are vomiting and can't go anymore. I wonder if that scene would be included today.

 

[HOF Coach]

I watched the movie Miracle the other day, and there is a scene where Herb Brooks makes the team skate lines until the are vomiting and can't go anymore. I wonder if that scene would be included today.

"Again!..."

 

[McKee Place]

Terrible story. I wouldn't be sad to see such falling on the sword (I'm sure all involved would be quietly well compensated, anyway). But only IF there were ramifications to the program to go along (loss of season, sanctions with real bite, etc). Not holding the breath though.

Only something like that would stir the true power brokers of major sports programs to somehow finally provide a DETERRENT to future abuses, be it physical, sexual, academic.

Firing a couple symbolic individuals is just window dressing.

Cynically in Maryland's case it's likely an excuse to dump guys because their programs aren't winning. Under Armour is looking at the school prez and AD as the equivalents of pro team presidents and GM. This is business to them. Like a major investor pressuring a corporate board to oust a CEO or COO.

Pitt is not above this either, given our quest to find cause to reduce or avoid Stallings buyout. I certainly don't mind that we did that and hope we succeeded somewhat. Plus I'll certainly be at the PSU football game, future UNC hoops games etc. So call me part of the problem.

 

[Jakey_John]

They have Under Armour, they arent going anywhere.

UA is dying on the vine too. They’re stock is plummeting. Too expensive now that competitors have found a way to replicate material.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Wonder if Maryland will keep any of their 2019 commits?

 

[Consultant Panther]

It's very unfortunate that he died but I doubt the AD and President were responsible.

People die when practicing or playing sports from lots of things especially unknown medical issues, etc. We had a HS star who had a stroke in practice? Noone blamed the coach or the HS?
A wrestler in the area died not to long ago in the wrestling room? Noone blamed the coach or the HS.

A local doctor told us lots of these kids take legal and some not so legal performance enhancers which takes a toll on the body especially in the heat and with limited water consumption. If you're one of those athletes you have to monitor your body because you just moved yourself to a higher risk profile by taking the performance enhancers.

Both our kids played football and wrestled and we wouldn't let them take performance enhancers due to the risks. We also made sure they had adequate medical reviews prior to each season to be sure there weren't hidden medical issues.

The body can take alot of abuse unless you mess with "mother nature."

Just consider soldiers in desert heat, no breaks, moving all day, no place to hide from the sun, bullet proof vests, body armour, full packs, weapons, ammo, etc.

You don't hear much about heat related deaths in the military but you do in sports. Somethings different!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams

Did either of your kids play in college? My daughter was a D1 athlete. There's a huge difference between HS and college athletics, particularly at the D1 level. It's just a different world. Some coaches are abusive lunatics and don't listen to doctors and trainers.

As for the Maryland case, it certainly seems like the player did not receive the kind of care he should have. He very likely would be alive today if he had. Imagine if it was your kid.

 

[Swervin27]

I watched the movie Miracle the other day, and there is a scene where Herb Brooks makes the team skate lines until the are vomiting and can't go anymore. I wonder if that scene would be included today.

A lot of that stuff wouldnt fly nowadays. How many people on here played sports under coaches who held back water breaks. That would get you arrested now.

“Water is for the weak” was said by Denzel in remember the Titans. Just a different mindset now and still we see fatalities. The more the precautions yet kids still having heat strokes and cardiac issues. Look at college football, pitt practices in shorts more than they practice in leg pads. 3 a days are ancient history.

 

[pittbb80]

You know, they threw the trainer under the bus, he is gone, but the way I look at it is the trainer wouldn't have behaved like that without the culture that was being fostered under Durkin.

That being said, sometimes people die. Sometimes they have a defective heart condition or something....but in this case, it was more like the PSU fraternity case, there was many opportunities to save the kid and stop this, but that never happened.

If you read the background on this there was a culture of abuse to weed out the kids the didnt want on the team. This culture was encouraged by the HC and clearly the AD knew what was going on. The HC is directly responsible and the AD indirectly. Moreover, in this particular case, the kid started showing signs of heat stress an HOUR before they called the ambulance. This is a case of gross negligence.

For those stating how things were 30 years ago.......there are many things we didnt know were unsafe and dangerous 30 years ago that we do today. Im' as old school as you can get but I dont buy into the BS that this was what we did 30 years ago so that makes it OK today. No one knew about concussions 30 years ago........Does that mean its OK to adopt the same policies today (ie you're not tough enough if you get dinged up and dont go right back in the game). Any S&C coach who cant discern the difference between being physically tired and heat stress is not qualified to be an S&C coach and is putting athletes in danger.

 

[63skipper]

The problem was not that he had a heart attack”?” But that no one I repeat no one even came to help the kid or call for medical care until much tooooo late. A lot of coaches just ignore the injury or symptoms and leave it to the underlings. Case here. But as they say the buck stops at the top I.e. head coach , president etc. This falls under the heading of supervision. IMO the health of a chid entrusted to your supervision overrides any athletic performance.

 

[Swervin27]

If you read the background on this there was a culture of abuse to weed out the kids the didnt want on the team. This culture was encouraged by the HC and clearly the AD knew what was going on. The HC is directly responsible and the AD indirectly. Moreover, in this particular case, the kid started showing signs of heat stress an HOUR before they called the ambulance. This is a case of gross negligence.

For those stating how things were 30 years ago.......there are many things we didnt know were unsafe and dangerous 30 years ago that we do today. Im' as old school as you can get but I dont buy into the BS that this was what we did 30 years ago so that makes it OK today. No one knew about concussions 30 years ago........Does that mean its OK to adopt the same policies today (ie you're not tough enough if you get dinged up and dont go right back in the game). Any S&C coach who cant discern the difference between being physically tired and heat stress is not qualified to be an S&C coach and is putting athletes in danger.

It’s amazing in this day and age, at a P5 program, this could happen. Don’t they have trained medical staff on hand, at practices?

An hour before an ambulance was called sounds like something you’d hear from a little rural high school football practice in West Texas in the 70s, not from a major division 1 football program now a days.

 

[pittdan77]

Another over reaction in AcademicVille.

I can't wait to see who the replacements but you can kinda guess where this is going.

The bad news for Maryland is you did all this supposed "bad stuff" and your football program still su-ked?

I guess they'll wait until its 75 f to run practices from now on?


"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

Wow.

The kid died as a direct result of the coach's actions and none of this was new. It was an abusive and dangerous environment that ran on fear and intimidation.

The administration did very little to investigate or attend to any of the complaints being made, even after the death of the player. They even made it difficult for kids to step forward and talk about it by holding interviews across the hall from the HC's office with a visible sign-in sheet.

This incident wasn't isolated and several people are willing to go on record. It's actually kind of disappointing that law enforcement hasn't stepped in yet. No idea if you're trying to be funny or not but that's just a ridiculous take on this.

 

[FallingRun84]

It’s amazing in this day and age, at a P5 program, this could happen. Don’t they have trained medical staff on hand, at practices?

An hour before an ambulance was called sounds like something you’d hear from a little rural high school football practice in West Texas in the 70s, not from a major division 1 football program now a days.

I don’t know how anybody could argue anything different??? The trainers and people running around with water bottles are trained to be observant for heat and health related issues. Something was overriding common sense and it was the culture being created by the head coach. This is not about toughness, it is pure arrogance and negligence.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Didn't athletic trainers and S&C personnel learn anything from Korey Stringer's death several years ago?

 

[Swervin27]

I don’t know how anybody could argue anything different??? The trainers and people running around with water bottles are trained to be observant for heat and health related issues. Something was overriding common sense and it was the culture being created by the head coach. This is not about toughness, it is pure arrogance and negligence.

medical staff should be employees of the university and not the coach. their job and responsibilities should not be influenced or controlled AT ALL by the coaching staff. two different entities..

I doubt Tomlin or a steeler coach can override a decision made by a team doctor with regards to a football player's health, why should it be any different in college.

 

[BBrown]

It's very unfortunate that he died but I doubt the AD and President were responsible.

People die when practicing or playing sports from lots of things especially unknown medical issues, etc. We had a HS star who had a stroke in practice? Noone blamed the coach or the HS?
A wrestler in the area died not to long ago in the wrestling room? Noone blamed the coach or the HS.

A local doctor told us lots of these kids take legal and some not so legal performance enhancers which takes a toll on the body especially in the heat and with limited water consumption. If you're one of those athletes you have to monitor your body because you just moved yourself to a higher risk profile by taking the performance enhancers.

Both our kids played football and wrestled and we wouldn't let them take performance enhancers due to the risks. We also made sure they had adequate medical reviews prior to each season to be sure there weren't hidden medical issues.

The body can take alot of abuse unless you mess with "mother nature."

Just consider soldiers in desert heat, no breaks, moving all day, no place to hide from the sun, bullet proof vests, body armour, full packs, weapons, ammo, etc.

You don't hear much about heat related deaths in the military but you do in sports. Somethings different!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams

Couple things...The MD President nixed a proposal that would have changed athletic health care at the University.
And while the AD is (Newish) before he was named AD he was directly responsible for overseeing the Football program.
So that is not a good look.

And I get your last part but remember not many of those soldiers are 6'8" and weigh 340 lbs and have football gear on.

 

[Consultant Panther]

medical staff should be employees of the university and not the coach. their job and responsibilities should not be influenced or controlled AT ALL by the coaching staff. two different entities..

I doubt Tomlin or a steeler coach can override a decision made by a team doctor with regards to a football player's health, why should it be any different in college.

That absolutely should be the case. It's probably different with doctors, but I think trainers in college are generally afraid of coaches. If they offend the coach, they are gone.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Wonder if Maryland will keep any of their 2019 commits?

Actually I looked at their class and it is really nothing to write home about.

 

[BBrown]

Wonder if Maryland will keep any of their 2019 commits?

This years class was (so far) pretty lean compared to the previous 2 classes.
Rumor down this way (Baltimore) is that word had already gotten out to the recruits that Durkin
was a tool.

 

[Swervin27]

That absolutely should be the case. It's probably different with doctors, but I think trainers in college are generally afraid of coaches. If they offend the coach, they are gone.

im not talking about the student trainers who are holding the water bottles, im talking about the medical staff. there are trained medical personnel at practices, scrimmages, right? I didn't play D1 football as you might have guessed.. I am not referring to the 19 year old girl in khakis who helps tape ankles but actual medical personnel.

 

[Consultant Panther]

im not talking about the student trainers who are holding the water bottles, im talking about the medical staff. there are trained medical personnel at practices, scrimmages, right? I didn't play D1 football as you might have guessed.. I am not referring to the 19 year old girl in khakis who helps tape ankles but actual medical personnel.

I'm referring to actual trainers. not their 19 year old assistants. Trainers are trained medical personnel, most of them have masters degrees.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

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And while the AD is (Newish) before he was named AD he was directly responsible for overseeing the Football program.

Correct. While he was recently promoted to permanent AD, he was acting AD for some time and had been an assistant under the former AD.

 

[McKee Place]

Actually I looked at their class and it is really nothing to write home about.

Possibly the biggest reason why he and all involved could be easily sacrificed.

The contrast being why Ohio State will go to lengths that they have and will to distance and excuse Meyer from the domestic abuse scandal with his assistant.

Not to be cynical in each case. Or passing judgment in either; I really don't have enough info. Just noting that the powers that be often manipulate such situations to be worse or better than they might actually be regarding the individuals involved, depending on the agenda.

 

[PittFanDan17]

UA is dying on the vine too. They’re stock is plummeting. Too expensive now that competitors have found a way to replicate material.

Ya but they have their money.

 

[Jpripper88]

What an awful take.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Fire everyone always.

 

[pitt-girl]

They have Under Armour, they arent going anywhere.

Not sure why everyone thinks this, but UA is not underwriting UMD athletics.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

One reason Under Armour is "sucking wind" is because they were partnered big time with Dick's Sporting Goods who is also "sucking wind" big time after their CEO condemned guns and the NRA.

Customers have left in mass!

Many people like Mrs Buffett and I would go to Dick's to purchase ammo and end up buying bike, golf , apparel ( Under Armour) , and other things.
We were Gold Dick's customers and at this time cancelled the Dick's Scorecard, and credit card.
The local Dick's in Eastern PA is in big trouble!
In our area there are 10 gun clubs/ shooting ranges in a 5 mile radius of our home and Dick's.
The ranges are always packed, with men, women, couples, parents with kids, women's and men's pistol shooting leagues three times a week, trap /skeet shooting, etc.
99 % of homeowners own guns and 75% have permits to carry weapons. Not to mention Open Carry is legal.

In addition many gun manufactures big ones have refused to supply Dick's with guns so they will eventually go out of the gun business.
Here's one but there are others:
O.F. Mossberg & Sons Inc., the parent company of Mossberg guns, announced Wednesday they would no longer be doing business with the sports retailer. Mossberg & Sons ended its association with Dick's after Dick’s hired three Washington, D.C., lobbyists to push for gun control efforts, the National Review reported.

They'll end up selling apparell which is deadly competitive and scale down their business!

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Not sure why everyone thinks this, but UA is not underwriting UMD athletics.

They're not? Yes they do!

Just look up the Under Armour guy who is a Maryland alum and start adding up what he does for the U.

He donates the uni's +
Under Armour CEO Kevin Plank promised to contribute $25 million to the University of Maryland to help pay for a planned $155 million athletics and academic complex — a project that was unanimously endorsed Thursday by a Board of Regents committee.

With the commitment of Plank, which will be formally announced by the university on Friday, the university now has pledges for about $45 million of the $95 million in private donations it will need for the project, said university President Wallace D. Loh. The rest of the money will come from the university and the state.

This is the tip of the iceberg!

 

[jtownknowitall]

One reason Under Armour is "sucking wind" is because they were partnered big time with Dick's Sporting Goods who is also "sucking wind" big time after their CEO condemned guns and the NRA.

Customers have left in mass!

Many people like Mrs Buffett and I would go to Dick's to purchase ammo and end up buying bike, golf , apparel ( Under Armour) , and other things.
We were Gold Dick's customers and at this time cancelled the Dick's Scorecard, and credit card.
The local Dick's in Eastern PA is in big trouble!
In our area there are 10 gun clubs/ shooting ranges in a 5 mile radius of our home and Dick's.
The ranges are always packed, with men, women, couples, parents with kids, women's and men's pistol shooting leagues three times a week, trap /skeet shooting, etc.
99 % of homeowners own guns and 75% have permits to carry weapons. Not to mention Open Carry is lega.

In addition many gun manufactures big ones have refused to supply Dick's with guns so they will eventually go out of the gun business.

They'll end up selling apparell which is deadly competitive and scale down their business!

You are a blowhard. You and the Mrs. by shopping at Republican owned safe spaces only have cost Dick’s and Under Armor squat

 

[HOF Coach]

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The impact is at select Dick's stores and is expaning as Dick's ran a ton of sales and promotions to keep sales up!
The store near us has layed off workers despite full employment in the area!

It's summer and they're surviving on golf ( Golf Galaxy) and outdoor stuff. Wait until the 3rd & 4th Q's when gun and ammo sales are a large part of their business!

Eventually it will hurt them!

Recent News Report:
Dick’s Sporting Goods won high praise from gun grabbers and the media for their knee-jerk reaction to the Parkland school massacre. Under CEO Edward Stack, the chain pulled magazines and modern sporting rifles from their shelves. They also unilaterally decided to end sales of all guns to anyone under 21.

It hasn’t gone well for Dick’s since then as sales have sagged. Fortune Magazine reported on a “deeper-than-expected sales decline” for the sporting goods chain. What’s more, the company’s stock price hovers near seven-year lows. For those really keeping track, it sank 5% on Friday.

Ever the intrepid reporter, I stopped by the Champaign, Illinois Dick’s-owned Field & Stream store to look around.

Sure enough, store staff replaced the rows of America’s favorite rifle and many others with widely-spaced long guns on display. It’s almost as if they’re trying to conceal the massive inventory gaps left by the suddenly banished, hot-selling modern sporting rifles.

Over time this will be really bad for Dicks!
Can't wait until they go the way of Sports Authority!