He's a 3 through and through. Too small for 4, not skilled enough in dribbling for a 2.
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I kinda think we get 1 of Toney or Jeffress. Neither is going to want to come off the bench
Artis wasn't skilled enough as a 2 let alone a 1 as a sophomore. Toney has the ability to take minutes at the 2 - assuming we see continued development that should be next year. His 35% from 3 after his poor start is good enough for a 2nd 2.
That's kind of where I'm going with it. Toney reminds me of the kind of longer, 6'5"ish, strong, tough as nails non-ball-handler guys on the perimeter that Florida State seems to come at you in waves with.
You have the story wrong again. Toney punched X and they say Trey ran away.
I think two games and two different instances are being conflated on this board, which isn’t good.
I don't think so because he could've came with Justin it was package deal but he thought he needed a prep yr but when St. John's new coach came to him he took it and said he wanted to be a hometown hero and help keep other guys home like Hayes here in football.
Capel has only been here for two years, give him at least two more. Transfers work both ways, so I fully expect him to bring in someone of similar talent level if a few of the kids leave. It’s not like McGowens and/or Toney are game-breaking or unique talents either. Sometimes you can’t tell how personalities are going to mesh before everyone gets on campus together — and when your program is losing, that amplifies the issues. They already are keeping X, which is a huge win IMO. So let’s not be so harsh on Capel after year two.
SMF I thought the same thing but when I listen to WJ interview it sounds as if he wouldn't automatically need to start the first year because he's getting a early start but you never know sometimes when you start practicing and if you think you're clearly better then the guy in front of you, you definitely want to play and start
Even more so the fact they neither has transferred yet, indicates they may still be talking to their families and the coaching staff. Sometimes once you get away from a situation a bit and let emotions cool. People realize they need to work things out and the devil you know is better than the devil you don't and things get worked out.
These are college kids who need to look out for themselves and the circumstances that will best prepare them for their careers. The coaches certainly don't care about them and will recruit over them in a heartbeat. They don't owe any innate loyalty to their universities. It's not being a tough guy to say your "suck it up" shaming is outdated and wrong.
Agree. Coaches will leave for a better job in a second and forget about all the promises they made to kids when they recruited them. Therefore you can’t blame a kid doing what they feel is best for them.
You’re just too sentimental. Pitt and HCJC aren’t the armpit you seem to think they are.
The guy claiming to be Toney's friend said Toney punched Trey and that Capel kind of gave him the cold shoulder after that....if that poster is to be believed
Not saying anything about Pitt or HCJC specifically, just drawing on my observation of coach/player behavior. Players gotta lock out for themselves. No one else will.
I am tired of the locker room crap. I want Trey back and hope he stays but with meddling parents and handlers who knows man!
I like Toney but he's not close to that yet. He has no handle and can't get his own shot that good yet. At 6'5 with no handle will not get him in the 1st round ever and he's not a big guy.
Wooooaaaah! I want Toney to come back as well, but tap the brakes.
What’s fun is that we’ll get to see if I’m right or wrong. And, unlike some, I’ll be happy to admit the latter. It’s happened before.
side note - i loved Carr and Stewart. I think Stewart will be a serious contributor to a good program the next two years.
I believe this is the thread people are recalling.
https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.com/threads/we-are-headed-for-another-rebuild.166277/
In typical SMF fashion, he says we're headed for a rebuild, then hedges 1 out of 4 all the way to all 4 leaving.
In fairness, I didn't think any of the top 4 would leave. Let's see what happens.
With all do respect to all the players on Pitts current roster there’s no one displaying NBA first round talent .
There’d be plenty of minutes for any good player no matter who the designated starters are.
Not to mention conflating some quaint notion of “honor” with a guy who plays 40 minutes a game staying where he is, and “dishonor” with guys who may be having a bad experience deciding to leave.
Let’s actually be honest: he’s nowhere close to looking like a future NBA player, let alone first round draft pick.
Can’t we just stick with the premise that he’s a solid young player who’s getting better?
Maybe you guys can have them write down their feelings on paper and then give them a great big hug.
Seems like the one doing the conflating here is you. There were no lies or broken promises to these two. That’s other schools you’re talking about and certainly not germane in this instance. These guys were given the keys to a major program in the ACC and could still have them to “build their brand” which seems to be what you’re so concerned about in this exploitation you seem to think goes on. Time for them to put their big boy pants on and nut-up.
So you never in your life stopped doing something that you weren’t enjoying? Never left a job you didn’t like?
Im calling BS.
False equivalence my man if you know what that means. A job and a team have some shared characteristics, but that doesn’t mean they are equal. They are significantly different. That’s why many times the business world looks to the sports world to learn workplace leadership and team skills involved.
Everyone expects some level of career progression to take place in the business world, so people do change jobs, so it is expected. Teammates don’t expect other teammates to just get up and quit because of a little adversity. Just the opposite. They expect their teammates to be people they can trust and be reliable so that they can rely on them to be there and to build and to not quit. You’re trying to justify two guys leaving because they got their feelings hurt.
I think a player punching a teammate after a win is a little more than hurt feelings. If you want to point the finger, point it at the coach for not keeping order in the locker room.
I do hate how everyone blames the coach for everything these kids do as if they are all knowing and ever present in their lives. The NCAA places restrictions on how much time the coaches can be around the players.
Do you blame the manager at work when two employees get into it?
Sometimes people don't get along and no one can do anything about it and who knows what finally sets them off.
That makes sense. Agree, Toney should have been jacked up against the wall by Capel and ripped a new asshole and X and Trey should know Capel has their back. But you don’t shutdown over something like that, you make it through the craziness.
They left a sinking ship to transfer elsewhere? Please tellUVa, UNC, Duke, & FSU all send their greetings from 2019!
Me you aren’t comparing this to players going to the nba. Please tell me you aren’t trying to play they angle.
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