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Mel Kiper Draft Projections - Pitt

My translation based on Kiper's rating

- Patrick Jones II, 4th DE - Late 1st / early 2nd
- Rashad Weaver, 5th DE - 2nd
- Jaylen Twyman, 7th DT - 2nd / 3rd
- Kenny Pickett, 9th QB - 5th / 6th
- Jimmy Morrissey, 9th center - 7th / UFA
- Paris Ford, 10th safety - 3rd / 4th
 
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I think Twyman is better than the #7 DT coming out and will show that at the combine, I think Ford is much better than the #10 safety and will show that at the combine, the rest seem about right.

Morrissey should learn to long snap as a backup plan. Not sure he's physical enough for the interior at the next level.
 
I think Twyman is better than the #7 DT coming out and will show that at the combine, I think Ford is much better than the #10 safety and will show that at the combine, the rest seem about right.

Morrissey should learn to long snap as a backup plan. Not sure he's physical enough for the interior at the next level.
Do you know Ford’s combine numbers or are you just guessing they will be good?

I agree with you on Twyman and Morrissey.
 
There were posters wanting to bench Pickett just a few weeks ago and according the best draft expert he is the 9th best prospect. KP is a good QB!
I feel like there is a post a week defending Pickett when no one is attacking him. Yea, he’s serviceable. I’ll say this, he better learn to sit in the pocket and become more patient. If he’s getting hurt now, he’s going to get rocked in the league. The real test will come against Clemson. The last time he played the Tigers, it was a pathetic effort. We’ll see
 
I feel like there is a post a week defending Pickett when no one is attacking him. Yea, he’s serviceable. I’ll say this, he better learn to sit in the pocket and become more patient. If he’s getting hurt now, he’s going to get rocked in the league. The real test will come against Clemson. The last time he played the Tigers, it was a pathetic effort. We’ll see
his patience and pocket presence has vastly improved. two years ago, he'd literally run into the pressure, it was weird. i feel this has been one of his biggest improvements.

He has NFL caliber arm and above avg athleticism. his toughness is the last thing any nfl scout/gm will question. he is going to be on an nfl roster by 7 months and he deserves it.. feel bad for us, we will be going from him to yellen.. Dear lord we need to find a QB transfer or else..
 
Do you know Ford’s combine numbers or are you just guessing they will be good?

I agree with you on Twyman and Morrissey.
I think he's a hell of an athlete and that will show at the combine. he is a playmaker at safety. His flaws are not physical. If he can put the head and the body together he will be a starter in the NFL.
 
his patience and pocket presence has vastly improved. two years ago, he'd literally run into the pressure, it was weird. i feel this has been one of his biggest improvements.

He has NFL caliber arm and above avg athleticism. his toughness is the last thing any nfl scout/gm will question. he is going to be on an nfl roster by 7 months and he deserves it.. feel bad for us, we will be going from him to yellen.. Dear lord we need to find a QB transfer or else..
I think a lot of people are overestimating him as a NFL prospect. he still has accuracy issues. he still has decision making issues. he holds the ball too long. Lacks feel and instincts. Lacks touch on this throws. Locks onto his primary route. He has struggled his whole career with the deep ball. Size, arm strength, athleticism--he has enough of those qualities.

Obviously he is the best QB we have, which is no small factor in why we've struggled offensively for 3 seasons.

I'm not saying he won't get drafted and make a roster. I'm just saying he has a lot of serious flaws that make it unlikely his NFL career will last beyond a couple of years. I hope he proves me wrong.
 
I think a lot of people are overestimating him as a NFL prospect. he still has accuracy issues. he still has decision making issues. he holds the ball too long. Lacks feel and instincts. Lacks touch on this throws. Locks onto his primary route. He has struggled his whole career with the deep ball. Size, arm strength, athleticism--he has enough of those qualities.

Obviously he is the best QB we have, which is no small factor in why we've struggled offensively for 3 seasons.

I'm not saying he won't get drafted and make a roster. I'm just saying he has a lot of serious flaws that make it unlikely his NFL career will last beyond a couple of years. I hope he proves me wrong.
Couple of years in the nfl is pretty solid. Retired before your 30.

No one is saying he’s the next Montana. You are this low on pickett, I’d do yourself a favor and find a new team to follow next year because it’s going to be a huge drop off.
 
Couple of years in the nfl is pretty solid. Retired before your 30.

No one is saying he’s the next Montana. You are this low on pickett, I’d do yourself a favor and find a new team to follow next year because it’s going to be a huge drop off.
Pickett won't be getting the kind of contract he can retire on at age 30. Probably won't get any guaranteed money at all.

And I'm not one of the posters calling for the backup. I know Pickett is the best we have by a wide margin. But he's not great, especially for a 3 year starter. He's not some kind of difference maker that can carry a marginal offense beyond its weakest link. And the results on the past two-plus seasons of Saturdays bear that out. this year, we are 74th in scoring offense, 99th in TDs scored. Last year, 116th in TDs. the year before, 87th. No sugar coating it--that sucks, and with the exception of 2 games this year, KP has been the QB throughout.
 
Pickett won't be getting the kind of contract he can retire on at age 30. Probably won't get any guaranteed money at all.

And I'm not one of the posters calling for the backup. I know Pickett is the best we have by a wide margin. But he's not great, especially for a 3 year starter. He's not some kind of difference maker that can carry a marginal offense beyond its weakest link. And the results on the past two-plus seasons of Saturdays bear that out. this year, we are 74th in scoring offense, 99th in TDs scored. Last year, 116th in TDs. the year before, 87th. No sugar coating it--that sucks, and with the exception of 2 games this year, KP has been the QB throughout.
no one said he is great. there are like 4 great college qbs every year, that's it. he's not great, you win the argument.
 
I think a lot of people that have dumped on Pickett, Tino, Stull hell even Peterman don’t watch enough CFB week in and week out to know a bad college QB from an above average one. It’s not a bad thing people have lives and most of their CFB fandom is tied to Pitt.
 
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I think a lot of people that have dumped on Pickett, Tino, Stull hell even Peterman don’t watch enough CFB week in and week out to know a bad college QB from an above average one. It’s not a bad thing people have lives and most of their CFB fandom is tied to Pitt.
I watch a ton of it, more than I should. Played D1 as well. I see QBs across the country every week that stand out, some at smaller programs. I think I know what I'm looking at. I'd say Pickett is in the average-above average range. He's not real bad, he's not real good. let's put it this way---there aren't many opposing DCs losing sleep at night worrying about finding a way to keep Pickett and his high powered Pitt offense from beating them.
 
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I watch a ton of it, more than I should. Played D1 as well. I see QBs across the country every week that stand out, some at smaller programs. I think I know what I'm looking at. I'd say Pickett is in the average-above average range. He's not real bad, he's not real good. let's put it this way---there aren't many opposing DCs losing sleep at night worrying about finding a way to keep Pickett and his high powered Pitt offense from beating them.

Yeah, but you are probably the minority.

I bet a lot of people watch PITT, and then whatever big games there are, or highlights from big games. So they probably see mostly good college QBs.

That can skew the perception. Now that said, if you want to be one of those teams, that’s the bar
 
I think he's a hell of an athlete and that will show at the combine. he is a playmaker at safety. His flaws are not physical. If he can put the head and the body together he will be a starter in the NFL.
He looks to have good speed, quickness, and read and react ability. I question his size and strength. I don’t know what his overall numbers look like and was curious.
 
My translation based on Kiper's rating

- Patrick Jones II, 4th DE - Late 1st / early 2nd
- Rashad Weaver, 5th DE - 2nd
- Jaylen Twyman, 7th DT - 2nd / 3rd
- Kenny Pickett, 9th QB - 5th / 6th
- Jimmy Morrissey, 9th center - 7th / UFA
- Paris Ford, 10th safety - 3rd / 4th


Pitt players in Todd McShay's recent rankings:

Patrick Jones, 46 overall, DE5
Rashad Weaver, 77, DE8
Jaylen Twyman, 86, DT6
Paris Ford, 142, S11
Demar Hamlin, 148, S13
Kenny P, 156, QB11
Damarri Mathis, 164, CB20
Jimmy Morrissey, 165, C6
Jason Pinnock, 229
 
@FireballZ well look at that Paris Ford is among the best in the county
Good for him. I'm obviously not a fan and the program clearly wasn't elevated during his time, but I wish him no ill will and it never hurts to have Pitt players in the league.

I believe I said I don't expect him to be drafted in the first two days. He's projected as 3rd/4th round pick, so it still seems to be seen where he lands. Are you referencing something else?
 
I watch a ton of it, more than I should. Played D1 as well. I see QBs across the country every week that stand out, some at smaller programs. I think I know what I'm looking at. I'd say Pickett is in the average-above average range. He's not real bad, he's not real good. let's put it this way---there aren't many opposing DCs losing sleep at night worrying about finding a way to keep Pickett and his high powered Pitt offense from beating them.
To put the offensive struggles on Pickett is preposterous. It hard to be comfortable in the pocket when there generally isn't one. For the last 2 years the running game has been terrible, almost nonexistent. His receiver corps is average at best, although Addison shows nice promise. Hey if you want to lay it all at Pickett's feet have at it, but I don't buy it
 
To put the offensive struggles on Pickett is preposterous. It hard to be comfortable in the pocket when there generally isn't one. For the last 2 years the running game has been terrible, almost nonexistent. His receiver corps is average at best, although Addison shows nice promise. Hey if you want to lay it all at Pickett's feet have at it, but I don't buy it
All true, and its not “all on Pickett”. Haven’t posted one thing that says it is. But he’s a 3 year starter and the offense is just as bad as it was when he took his first starting snap. If you want to give him a pass for not making a meaningful difference out there in 3 years go ahead. If you don’t think the starting QB shoulders more of a load for the success or failure of an offense, go right ahead. Just know that you’re wrong.
 
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To put the offensive struggles on Pickett is preposterous. It hard to be comfortable in the pocket when there generally isn't one. For the last 2 years the running game has been terrible, almost nonexistent. His receiver corps is average at best, although Addison shows nice promise. Hey if you want to lay it all at Pickett's feet have at it, but I don't buy it

People would just destroy Tino for taking sacks his senior year, but the OLine that was left over after all the turnover was horrible. Tino actually was solid his senior year, and honestly probably as good as Pickett has been.
 
Pickett will get drafted. Last year, Nooch, Tommy Stevens, and Nate Stanley were drafted. Every year the back half of the QB draft is mostly guys like KP.
 
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