Minute breakdown with Jeffress

[Sean Miller Fan]

Evan Daniels just CB'd him so its done (man, I hope this isnt jinxing it).

PG
Johnson 30
Odukale 10

SG
Horton 30
Toney 10

SF
Toney 20
Champagnie 10
Drumgoole OR Collier 10

PF
Champagnie 20
Jeffress 20

C
Hugley 22
Brown AND Coulibaly 18

Redshirt
Amadasun

Some thoughts:

- a bit of an odd roster breakdown as we really only have 1 true PG, 1 true SG, 2 true SFs, 0 true PFs but 3 "3 and 1/2s" in Champagnie, Jeffress, and Collier. How each of those guys can adapt to playing the 3 will determine how many minutes they get at that position backing up Toney.

- a wildcard is Femi. If he is significantly better than his ranking, he could back up both guard spots and get near-starter minutes since we really only have 3 true guards on the roster

- an injury to Johnson or Horton would be insurmountable due to our lack of depth at guard

- a Sidy-like grad transfer would be very beneficial. I'd even take a Monty Boykins-level grad transfer for depth

- could Kene be coming back? He STILL isnt in the transfer portal and its highly unlikely he will find meaningful work either in European basketball or in the "real world" due to COVID.

- Eventually, I see a 9 man rotation with either Drumgoole or Collier beating each other out for backup minutes. Same goes with Brown and Coulibaly.

 

[Pitt5593]

Evan Daniels just CB'd him so its done (man, I hope this isnt jinxing it).

PG
Johnson 30
Odukale 10

SG
Horton 30
Toney 10

SF
Toney 20
Champagnie 10
Drumgoole OR Collier 10

PF
Champagnie 20
Jeffress 20

C
Hugley 22
Brown AND Coulibaly 18

Redshirt
Amadasun

Some thoughts:

- a bit of an odd roster breakdown as we really only have 1 true PG, 1 true SG, 2 true SFs, 0 true PFs but 3 "3 and 1/2s" in Champagnie, Jeffress, and Collier. How each of those guys can adapt to playing the 3 will determine how many minutes they get at that position backing up Toney.

- a wildcard is Femi. If he is significantly better than his ranking, he could back up both guard spots and get near-starter minutes since we really only have 3 true guards on the roster

- an injury to Johnson or Horton would be insurmountable due to our lack of depth at guard

- a Sidy-like grad transfer would be very beneficial. I'd even take a Monty Boykins-level grad transfer for depth

- could Kene be coming back? He STILL isnt in the transfer portal and its highly unlikely he will find meaningful work either in European basketball or in the "real world" due to COVID.

- Eventually, I see a 9 man rotation with either Drumgoole or Collier beating each other out for backup minutes. Same goes with Brown and Coulibaly.

Evan Daniels just CB'd him so its done (man, I hope this isnt jinxing it).

PG
Johnson 30
Odukale 10

SG
Horton 30
Toney 10

SF
Toney 20
Champagnie 10
Drumgoole OR Collier 10

PF
Champagnie 20
Jeffress 20

C
Hugley 22
Brown AND Coulibaly 18

Redshirt
Amadasun

Some thoughts:

- a bit of an odd roster breakdown as we really only have 1 true PG, 1 true SG, 2 true SFs, 0 true PFs but 3 "3 and 1/2s" in Champagnie, Jeffress, and Collier. How each of those guys can adapt to playing the 3 will determine how many minutes they get at that position backing up Toney.

- a wildcard is Femi. If he is significantly better than his ranking, he could back up both guard spots and get near-starter minutes since we really only have 3 true guards on the roster

- an injury to Johnson or Horton would be insurmountable due to our lack of depth at guard

- a Sidy-like grad transfer would be very beneficial. I'd even take a Monty Boykins-level grad transfer for depth

- could Kene be coming back? He STILL isnt in the transfer portal and its highly unlikely he will find meaningful work either in European basketball or in the "real world" due to COVID.

- Eventually, I see a 9 man rotation with either Drumgoole or Collier beating each other out for backup minutes. Same goes with Brown and Coulibaly.

It is my opinion that you are under rating Coulibaly. In Lieu of this, I would like to see Hughley Get more minutes at power forward. The more minutes that Champ plays the three, The better this team will be. I also worry about the lack of depth at guard.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Evan Daniels just CB'd him so its done (man, I hope this isnt jinxing it).

PG
Johnson 30
Odukale 10

SG
Horton 30
Toney 10

SF
Toney 20
Champagnie 10
Drumgoole OR Collier 10

PF
Champagnie 20
Jeffress 20

C
Hugley 22
Brown AND Coulibaly 18

Redshirt
Amadasun

Some thoughts:

- a bit of an odd roster breakdown as we really only have 1 true PG, 1 true SG, 2 true SFs, 0 true PFs but 3 "3 and 1/2s" in Champagnie, Jeffress, and Collier. How each of those guys can adapt to playing the 3 will determine how many minutes they get at that position backing up Toney.

- a wildcard is Femi. If he is significantly better than his ranking, he could back up both guard spots and get near-starter minutes since we really only have 3 true guards on the roster

- an injury to Johnson or Horton would be insurmountable due to our lack of depth at guard

- a Sidy-like grad transfer would be very beneficial. I'd even take a Monty Boykins-level grad transfer for depth

- could Kene be coming back? He STILL isnt in the transfer portal and its highly unlikely he will find meaningful work either in European basketball or in the "real world" due to COVID.

- Eventually, I see a 9 man rotation with either Drumgoole or Collier beating each other out for backup minutes. Same goes with Brown and Coulibaly.

17 year old freshmen who plays on the wing playing at 4... man you’re special

 

[pittchagg]

17 year old freshmen who plays on the wing playing at 4... man you’re special

I feel like Collier is more likely to get minutes at the 4 as a freshman than Jeffress. Though, Toney gave us minutes at the 4 as an 18 year old freshman.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I feel like Collier is more likely to get minutes at the 4 as a freshman than Jeffress. Though, Toney gave us minutes at the 4 as an 18 year old freshman.

Jeffress ain’t a 4. Closer to a 2. But SMF KNOWS basketball

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

IMHO, Collier neither will be limited to somewhere between bench splinters and 10 minutes nor that any minutes he gets will be at small forward. IMHO, he will get 10 minutes minimum and it will likely mostly be at PF and/or Center. It is inconceivable to me that Capel would waste a mobile big guy with hops and a decent handle who has grown to at least 6-8--maybe even to a legit 6-9--as a 3rd backup at SF-- particularly since shooting the 3-ball is reportedly the weakest feature of his game.

 

[Ronnyp91]

Wild Ass Guess:

PG:
Johnson 32
Femi 8

SG
Horton 24
Drumgoole 12
Jeffress 4

SF
Toney 30
Jeffress 10

PF
Champ 30
Toney 5
Hugley 5

C
Brown 18
Hugley 12
Coulibaly 10

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Wild Ass Guess:

PG:
Johnson 32
Femi 8

SG
Horton 24
Drumgoole 12
Jeffress 4

SF
Toney 30
Jeffress 10

PF
Champ 30
Toney 5
Hugley 5

C
Brown 18
Hugley 12
Coulibaly 10

U have our best and most ready player who is a big only getting 17 mins? That would be bad. He needs to be around 24 mins a game

 

[pittchagg]

Wild Ass Guess:

PG:
Johnson 32
Femi 8

SG
Horton 24
Drumgoole 12
Jeffress 4

SF
Toney 30
Jeffress 10

PF
Champ 30
Toney 5
Hugley 5

C
Brown 18
Hugley 12
Coulibaly 10

I'd maybe chip in a few more for Horton and a few fewer for Drumgoole, and maybe a few more for Coulibaly and a few fewer for Hugley - and I don't think Collier redshirts - but I think generally speaking this is what we'll see unless a transfer pops up late.

 

[Ronnyp91]

U have our best and most ready player who is a big only getting 17 mins? That would be bad. He needs to be around 24 mins a game

I think you're right, I'm probably giving Brown too many minutes. Especially since some games this past season he was only getting 5-10. I just can't get over the fact that a 4th year starter/senior is going to stick around where he's only going to get 5 minutes a game.

 

[pittchagg]

I think the chances that they ease in Hugley in terms of minutes are increased if Pitt isn't able to enroll students for summer classes. In previous years, he'd enroll in the summer and get a solid month or two of college-level strength and conditioning under his belt before the fall semester starts. It'll hurt someone like Hugley disproportionately if that can't happen this year.

 

[DT_PITT]

17 year old freshmen who plays on the wing playing at 4... man you’re special

True ...

And a key to this team, I believe, will be if Toney can make the transition to play some at the two. I don't even know if he can, or if Capel will even go this way.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jeffress ain’t a 4. Closer to a 2. But SMF KNOWS basketball

I've never seen him play but I heard he doesn't possess great perimeter skills, similar to Champagnie. Just going off that

 

[DT_PITT]

IMHO, Collier neither will be limited to somewhere between bench splinters and 10 minutes nor that any minutes he gets will be at small forward. IMHO, he will get 10 minutes minimum and it will likely mostly be at PF and/or Center. It is inconceivable to me that Capel would waste a mobile big guy with hops and a decent handle who has grown to at least 6-8--maybe even to a legit 6-9--as a 3rd backup at SF-- particularly since shooting the 3-ball is reportedly the weakest feature of his game.

Agree about Collier.

 

[pittchagg]

True ...

And a key to this team, I believe, will be if Toney can make the transition to play some at the two. I don't even know if he can, or if Capel will even go this way.

I think that's what's gotta happen if we don't end up getting a grad transfer. Either Drumgoole or Toney are going to need to play some effective ACC-level minutes at the 2. I lean more towards Toney because he can already defend the 2 effectively, though I think Drumgoole's game (at least the game he was recruited to have) translates better offensively to the 2. But one of those guys is going to need to do it.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I'm not sure I can do a good minutes rotation guess because I don't know enough about the new guys but I'd be very surprised if our best players aren't getting actual starters minutes (32-34.) X and Champagine definitely. Then less sure about Horton, may depend on seeing zone vs. man?

 

[Tonyt66]

Jeffress ain’t a 4. Closer to a 2. But SMF KNOWS basketball

I'm with you! I don't see WJ getting mins at the 4 and SMF doesn't have Horton playing any PG when clearly JC said he will handle the ball too.

 

[JS School]

I'm not sure I can do a good minutes rotation guess because I don't know enough about the new guys but I'd be very surprised if our best players aren't getting actual starters minutes (32-34.) X and Champagine definitely. Then less sure about Horton, may depend on seeing zone vs. man?

Agreed, I don't think it's reasonable to do a minutes prediction for players we've never even seen in a college game. I doubt even Capel would try. I guess it's off- season entertainment, though.

 

[Chescat]

Agreed, I don't think it's reasonable to do a minutes prediction for players we've never even seen in a college game. I doubt even Capel would try. I guess it's off- season entertainment, though.

You're right, it is "good off-season entertainment." I do think that most
posters in this thread realize that minutes at this point is pure speculation.
I'm sure Capel has envisioned various scenarios, but even he has to see
them every day in practice before he finalizes any of this.
We hae no idea of who works best with whom, and what on floor chemistry
exists or doesn't exist. Fall practice will determine much of that. Those
factors are important as is talent obviously.

I won't add my idea of minutes at this very early date, but I will mention
game time rotation. We ain't Fl State, so I doubt we're gonna see a
10+ player rotation. I've always felt that a 9 man rotation is best. The
starters get the majority of the minutes. The 6th and 7th man gets
back up substitute minutes, and 8 and 9 get what's left. The rest of
em get mostly garbage time minutes. Good coaches make all of
this clear. Keeping the substitutes happy is not easy, but it's very
important to overall team spirit and chemistry. We finally have depth,
but that doesn't mean they're all going to see game time minutes.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm with you! I don't see WJ getting mins at the 4 and SMF doesn't have Horton playing any PG when clearly JC said he will handle the ball too.

I said I've never seen him play so its possible. However, he is 6'7 and athletic and likely played a lot of "PIAA Center," meaning since he was the tallest on his team his whole life, he probably played under the basket a lot so while I am sure he possesses guard skills and has great potential to be a high end wing player, I see him more like Champagnie, who wasn't ready to play on the wing as a frosh

 

[meadvillecoach]

I waited a while to post on Jeffress because I wanted to make sure he was coming. I added up the times I have seen him play in person and if u count 2 eight grade games where he totally dominated the number is 14.
The competition ranged from not so good to some really good games verses d-1players. My original thought was he was a sure fire NBA prospect.A lot of that came from being in Ninth grade and being so good with the ball.

Those of you that have not seen him play will be surprised at his playmaking ability and willingness to make his teammates better.He never played center in h.s. In fact was more guard than anything. He is good. Now back to my NBA statement, I changed my mind some this year on that based on his ability to shoot the ball.Simply put the better shooter he becomes the better prospect he will be.He leveled off a little this year but remember this was his jr. year in my mind until the reclass talk started.

I still feel he has a shot at the league ,but must as many young players continue to improve.I think he will and am confident Pitt fans are going to enjoy watching him. I will add I expect him to play and play a lot this year

 

[meadvillecoach]

Just reread what I posted last year on jeffress