My thoughts on B1G Championship and why it matters to Pitt

[pittdan77]

Here's why PSU winning the B1G and forcing the argument on the CFP committee matters to Pitt.

Ohio State getting into the playoff and getting to avoid an extra game is bad news for schools like Pitt. Say, for instance, that Pitt didn't play Clemson until this coming Saturday (assuming we won our division with an OOC loss to PSU or OkState) and Pitt wins the game the way we did a few weeks ago. Does Pitt get a playoff spot? Of course, I'm assuming Pitt would be a top 10 team in that scenario (same as PSU) but if Ohio State goes, so would Clemson and that just doesn't make sense.

PSU winning the B1G shouldn't push Washington out either. Sure, their OOC stinks but if they win their championship, how do they get penalized? Florida isn't nearly as sexy but beating Alabama in a championship should probably mean something. Would we be okay if the Steelers win the AFC but the league decided to put New England in the Super Bowl because, well, they are just "better"?

I get why this system was created and who benefits the most by it. Just looking at this from a Pitt perspective. As much as we don't like PSU, we should be rooting for them this weekend.

 

[FireballZ]

 

[Piranha]

Here's why PSU winning the B1G and forcing the argument on the CFP committee matters to Pitt.

Ohio State getting into the playoff and getting to avoid an extra game is bad news for schools like Pitt. Say, for instance, that Pitt didn't play Clemson until this coming Saturday (assuming we won our division with an OOC loss to PSU or OkState) and Pitt wins the game the way we did a few weeks ago. Does Pitt get a playoff spot? Of course, I'm assuming Pitt would be a top 10 team in that scenario (same as PSU) but if Ohio State goes, so would Clemson and that just doesn't make sense.

PSU winning the B1G shouldn't push Washington out either. Sure, their OOC stinks but if they win their championship, how do they get penalized? Florida isn't nearly as sexy but beating Alabama in a championship should probably mean something. Would we be okay if the Steelers win the AFC but the league decided to put New England in the Super Bowl because, well, they are just "better"?

I get why this system was created and who benefits the most by it. Just looking at this from a Pitt perspective. As much as we don't like PSU, we should be rooting for them this weekend.

I do not condone covering up rape in order to protect a football program. I will never root for PS or Baylor. I rarely ever watch either one for this reason. They turned their backs on the victims, and it may seem like nothing but I am turning my back by not providing viewership. Hopefully they both get blasted every game they play.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

blah, and frankly the B10 was the key player in creating the current system. Too bad. And there are enough other issues to make them keep revisiting things. PSU winning doesn't do squat.

 

[UPitt '89]

Here's why PSU winning the B1G and forcing the argument on the CFP committee matters to Pitt.

Ohio State getting into the playoff and getting to avoid an extra game is bad news for schools like Pitt. Say, for instance, that Pitt didn't play Clemson until this coming Saturday (assuming we won our division with an OOC loss to PSU or OkState) and Pitt wins the game the way we did a few weeks ago. Does Pitt get a playoff spot? Of course, I'm assuming Pitt would be a top 10 team in that scenario (same as PSU) but if Ohio State goes, so would Clemson and that just doesn't make sense.

PSU winning the B1G shouldn't push Washington out either. Sure, their OOC stinks but if they win their championship, how do they get penalized? Florida isn't nearly as sexy but beating Alabama in a championship should probably mean something. Would we be okay if the Steelers win the AFC but the league decided to put New England in the Super Bowl because, well, they are just "better"?

I get why this system was created and who benefits the most by it. Just looking at this from a Pitt perspective. As much as we don't like PSU, we should be rooting for them this weekend.

You can have the same argument and effect by replacing Wisconsin in your post for PSU.

We should not be rooting for PSU for the impact you want... we should be rooting for Wisconsin.

 

[PantherO]

Sadly, the Big 12 got penalized a few years ago for not having a championship game allowing OSU to get in. This year, Wisc/PSU or Col/Wash could be penalized because they won their championship game and OSU still gets in.

Hmmm....I guess OSU gets in the playoffs no matter what. Nothing to do with money I suppose.

 

[eastcoasthoops]

I think the point the OP is making is that if results on the field don't really matter, then college football is essentially a beauty pageant.

Maybe that's what the college football consumer wants? It certainly is what the major media outlets want.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I can not root for a school that cares so little about child molestation. Half of their nut job fans still believe Paturdo did everything he could to report a child molester and the real victims were just out to extort money!

 

[TD_6082]

You can have the same argument and effect by replacing Wisconsin in your post for PSU.

We should not be rooting for PSU for the impact you want... we should be rooting for Wisconsin.

The argument is stronger if you use PSU because PSU is in the same division as tOSU & they beat the Buckeyes head to head.

Under the current system, the goal is to get the 4 best teams in the playoffs. Granted, that task is subjective, but that's what it is designed to do. I don't think you can make a case for PSU over tOSU, even if they win the Big 10.

 

[GT74]

I think you have to look at the 'body of work' as they do in basketball. A conference champion means something, but also other factors come into play. Ok, Penn St beat OSU (at home on a last-minute blocked FG), but OSU has only 1 loss, and beat Michigan (who beat PSU 49-10). In addition they played a tougher B1G schedule (at Wisc and Neb, compared to Iowa at home), and also beat Okla on the road in non-conference. So, OSU beat 3 top ten teams, and PSU beat 1. Factor in that OSU actually tied PSU for the division losing in the head-to-head tiebreaker, which doesn't factor in that OSU beat Mich, which PSU lost to by 39. If PSU beats Wisc, they deserve all the credit in the world for finishing the way they did, but IMO, OSU deserves to be in the playoff with only 1 loss, and a tough schedule. The 'body of work' is just better.

 

[Delpanther]

Screw the BIg. They are trash and leave no stone unturned in trying to prove their fantasy that they are the best conference in college FB. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put it past the Big that they and their lackeys had something to do with and had an ulterior motive in getting Pitt sufficient votes to be ranked this week. Pitt being ranked gives the scum in State College a stronger argument that the loss to Pitt shouldn't detract from their playoff rankings. The Big is the most political, crooked conference in the NCAA.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

I think you have to look at the 'body of work' as they do in basketball. A conference champion means something, but also other factors come into play. Ok, Penn St beat OSU (at home on a last-minute blocked FG), but OSU has only 1 loss, and beat Michigan (who beat PSU 49-10). In addition they played a tougher B1G schedule (at Wisc and Neb, compared to Iowa at home), and also beat Okla on the road in non-conference. So, OSU beat 3 top ten teams, and PSU beat 1. Factor in that OSU actually tied PSU for the division losing in the head-to-head tiebreaker, which doesn't factor in that OSU beat Mich, which PSU lost to by 39. If PSU beats Wisc, they deserve all the credit in the world for finishing the way they did, but IMO, OSU deserves to be in the playoff with only 1 loss, and a tough schedule. The 'body of work' is just better.

This.

 

[PittMan2003]

Root for Pedo St? DOES NOT COMPUTE...

I actually "kind of" rooted for them against Minnesota early because I was getting concerned Fraudlin would get fired. But in the end I rooted for Minnesota. Crazy how the season changed for them since that game. Hats off to them for handling their business against shitty competition and all tougher games at home. But they are not even close to one of the top four teams. That would be a joke.

 

[TD_6082]

Screw the BIg. They are trash and leave no stone unturned in trying to prove their fantasy that they are the best conference in college FB. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put it past the Big that they and their lackeys had something to do with and had an ulterior motive in getting Pitt sufficient votes to be ranked this week. Pitt being ranked gives the scum in State College a stronger argument that the loss to Pitt shouldn't detract from their playoff rankings. The Big is the most political, crooked conference in the NCAA.

They are the strongest conference at the top this year. Even the SEC sheep are conceding that and that isn't an easy thing for them to do.

 

[FireballZ]

Until there are balanced schedules within conferences, winning your conference should never be the ultimate determinate for the playoffs.

Although PSU won their division, what would have happened had they played Wisconsin and Nebraska cross-divisionally like OSU did?

 

[TD_6082]

Until there are balanced schedules within conferences, winning your conference should never be the ultimate determinate for the playoffs.

Although PSU won their division, what would have happened had they played Wisconsin and Nebraska cross-divisionally like OSU did?

Or at least Wisconsin. PSU had to play Iowa and the Hawkeyes are a lot better than Nebraska.

 

[FireballZ]

Or at least Wisconsin. PSU had to play Iowa and the Hawkeyes are a lot better than Nebraska.

Fair point. I was just saying that cross-divisional scheduling will never be truly balanced, so there will always be a slight element of luck to the divisional winners. Non-conference performance needs to continue to be factored into the playoff committees equation as well.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

A single quality road win should have to be part of the equation!

 

[pitt-girl]

Sadly, the Big 12 got penalized a few years ago for not having a championship game allowing OSU to get in. This year, Wisc/PSU or Col/Wash could be penalized because they won their championship game and OSU still gets in.

Hmmm....I guess OSU gets in the playoffs no matter what. Nothing to do with money I suppose.

Well - they should just rename the ABC 8 PM game to the tOSU Saturday Night show given they are on almost every single week. I understand it is propelled by ratings but at some point, CFP has be generated by true results, not perception or popularity.

 

[President Stache]

Here's why PSU winning the B1G and forcing the argument on the CFP committee matters to Pitt.

Ohio State getting into the playoff and getting to avoid an extra game is bad news for schools like Pitt. Say, for instance, that Pitt didn't play Clemson until this coming Saturday (assuming we won our division with an OOC loss to PSU or OkState) and Pitt wins the game the way we did a few weeks ago. Does Pitt get a playoff spot? Of course, I'm assuming Pitt would be a top 10 team in that scenario (same as PSU) but if Ohio State goes, so would Clemson and that just doesn't make sense.

PSU winning the B1G shouldn't push Washington out either. Sure, their OOC stinks but if they win their championship, how do they get penalized? Florida isn't nearly as sexy but beating Alabama in a championship should probably mean something. Would we be okay if the Steelers win the AFC but the league decided to put New England in the Super Bowl because, well, they are just "better"?

I get why this system was created and who benefits the most by it. Just looking at this from a Pitt perspective. As much as we don't like PSU, we should be rooting for them this weekend.

Go Wisconsin... Does it matter which little guy gets in? Root wisky

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Man, according to the chair of committee, committee has the Michigan VERY close to Washington. My feeling is now that that Washington AND Clemson have to lose... If that happens, you'd get three B1G teams and Alabama. Otherwise, regardless of the outcome of the B1G Championship, it's Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Washington OR Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Michigan.

Seems to the be prevailing thought of the committee at the moment.

 

[pittdan77]

I think there's a reason why conference champs get an automatic bye in basketball and at face value, it makes a ton of sense. If you can't keep your own house in order, why the heck do you get a free pass to the party?

I'm looking at this from a player's perspective. Why the heck should they have to risk playing another game, potentially win, and then get passed by the team they beat? Body of work is just an excuse to keep the big sexy schools in the hunt and college football is the only place "body of work" ever comes up when talking about conference champs.

 

[wbrpanther]

Here's why PSU winning the B1G and forcing the argument on the CFP committee matters to Pitt.

Ohio State getting into the playoff and getting to avoid an extra game is bad news for schools like Pitt. Say, for instance, that Pitt didn't play Clemson until this coming Saturday (assuming we won our division with an OOC loss to PSU or OkState) and Pitt wins the game the way we did a few weeks ago. Does Pitt get a playoff spot? Of course, I'm assuming Pitt would be a top 10 team in that scenario (same as PSU) but if Ohio State goes, so would Clemson and that just doesn't make sense.

PSU winning the B1G shouldn't push Washington out either. Sure, their OOC stinks but if they win their championship, how do they get penalized? Florida isn't nearly as sexy but beating Alabama in a championship should probably mean something. Would we be okay if the Steelers win the AFC but the league decided to put New England in the Super Bowl because, well, they are just "better"?

I get why this system was created and who benefits the most by it. Just looking at this from a Pitt perspective. As much as we don't like PSU, we should be rooting for them this weekend.

The job of the Committee is to put the 4 best teams into the playoffs. Period. It is not to make sure the Big 10 champ or any other conference champ gets into the playoff. Ohio State is clearly a better team than UPS or Wisky despite losing to UPS head to head. Their resume tells you that and the eye test tells you that. If you want to put UPS in the playoff because they beat tOSU head to head then Hell, I demand that Pitt goes in before UPS.

 

[wbrpanther]

Man, according to the chair of committee, committee has the Michigan VERY close to Washington. My feeling is now that that Washington AND Clemson have to lose... If that happens, you'd get three B1G teams and Alabama. Otherwise, regardless of the outcome of the B1G Championship, it's Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Washington OR Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Michigan.

Seems to the be prevailing thought of the committee at the moment.

Just look at the standings and that will tell you what it will be after Saturday. If Clemson and Washington win they are in. They are not jumping Michigan over either of those teams if they win.

 

[steel_curtain]

The argument is stronger if you use PSU because PSU is in the same division as tOSU & they beat the Buckeyes head to head.

Under the current system, the goal is to get the 4 best teams in the playoffs. Granted, that task is subjective, but that's what it is designed to do. I don't think you can make a case for PSU over tOSU, even if they win the Big 10.

-No it is not. And it never was. Read the dam selection committee rulebook for selection. I shut up every Buckeye fan on the internet last night. Understand the rules and the selection process. The committee is trying to change the rules for Ohio State, actual selection process guidelines that were put into place 2 years ago. Conference Championship, head to head, and teams you played against on each others schedule are the 3 main criteria. Losses is not a main criteria. Number of Top 25 wins is not a main criteria.

 

[pittdan77]

The job of the Committee is to put the 4 best teams into the playoffs. Period. It is not to make sure the Big 10 champ or any other conference champ gets into the playoff. Ohio State is clearly a better team than UPS or Wisky despite losing to UPS head to head. Their resume tells you that and the eye test tells you that. If you want to put UPS in the playoff because they beat tOSU head to head then Hell, I demand that Pitt goes in before UPS.

Sorry, any argument about "resume's" and "eye tests" sounds more like a dog show than football. You could easily make a list of reasons why Whisky and PSU get the nod using bogus factors like that.

 

[Delpanther]

They are the strongest conference at the top this year. Even the SEC sheep are conceding that and that isn't an easy thing for them to do.

Disagree, Alabama will clean up on anybtrash coming from the Big. Not a team at the top of the Big with anything better than a mediocre QB and mediocre offense.

 

[TD_6082]

Bama is the only SEC team in the Top 10. The Big 10 has 4.

And there is a difference between a guideline than a rule. The Buckeyes should be in.

 

[steel_curtain]

Bama is the only SEC team in the Top 10. The Big 10 has 4.

And there is a difference between a guideline than a rule. The Buckeyes should be in.

-I didnt make the rule. But clearly there is a reading comprehension issue in play here to pump Ohio State by you and Ohio State fans. Here is the guideline, or rule, or whatever you want to call it straight from the handbook. Everything stated in the entire handbook favors Penn State over Ohio State. And there should be major backlash over it should Penn State beat Wisconsin.

This is from the actual rulebook. Follow the friggin rule in play. Keep it consistent. If that means Penn State plays West Virginia for the National Title under the current rules, so be it.

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:  Conference Championships won  Strength of schedule  Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)

 

[Safety Blitz]

The job of the Committee is to put the 4 best teams into the playoffs. Period. It is not to make sure the Big 10 champ or any other conference champ gets into the playoff. Ohio State is clearly a better team than UPS or Wisky despite losing to UPS head to head. Their resume tells you that and the eye test tells you that. If you want to put UPS in the playoff because they beat tOSU head to head then Hell, I demand that Pitt goes in before UPS.

If you want the four BEST teams at this CURRENT time, you have to put USC above both Clemson and Washington...maybe Ohio State, too. Sure, they have 3 losses, but the Trojans may be playing the best football in the country right now.
So, where does the committee draw that line.

 

[steel_curtain]

If you want the four BEST teams at this CURRENT time, you have to put USC above both Clemson and Washington...maybe Ohio State, too. Sure, they have 3 losses, but the Trojans may be playing the best football in the country right now.
So, where does the committee draw that line.

-They cant, because they cant win a conference championship. What the hell is purpose of putting a 4 team playoff system together and writing a handbook with guideline to fix the original problems with the bcs system if you are not going to follow the guideline in the handbook? Thats called being retarded, which is what this current football committee is.

-Its in clear black and white writing. Conference Championship, Strength of Schedule, Head to Head and Common Opponents

-Apparently Ohio State doesnt qualify under the current guideline, so there is spin being put on the rules to get them in the playoff. And Michigan, 3rd place in a division with 2 late season losses? Pure slander going on here.

 

[Delpanther]

Bama is the only SEC team in the Top 10. The Big 10 has 4.

And there is a difference between a guideline than a rule. The Buckeyes should be in.

I don't care anout rankings. The BiG rigs those. Just look at UPS's ranking; it's a joke.

 

[UPitt '89]

-I didnt make the rule. But clearly there is a reading comprehension issue in play here to pump Ohio State by you and Ohio State fans. Here is the guideline, or rule, or whatever you want to call it straight from the handbook. Everything stated in the entire handbook favors Penn State over Ohio State. And there should be major backlash over it should Penn State beat Wisconsin.

This is from the actual rulebook. Follow the friggin rule in play. Keep it consistent. If that means Penn State plays West Virginia for the National Title under the current rules, so be it.

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:  Conference Championships won  Strength of schedule  Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)

Um.... you're ignoring the first part of your bolded quote:

"When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable"

The committee, by their rankings, have decided the teams are *NOT* comparable. That there is a *BIG* gap between OSU and Wisc/PSU.

You can argue all you want. I'll bet you $500 right now that OSU is *IN*.

 

[TD_6082]

I don't care anout rankings. The BiG rigs those. Just look at UPS's ranking; it's a joke.

They are about where they should be.

 

[steel_curtain]

Um.... you're ignoring the first part of your bolded quote:

"When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable"

The committee, by their rankings, have decided the teams are *NOT* comparable. That there is a *BIG* gap between OSU and Wisc/PSU.

You can argue all you want. I'll bet you $500 right now that OSU is *IN*.

-They are not comparable? Um, what?

If Penn State beats Wisconsin

11-2 Penn State
11-1 Ohio State

Wins vs Top 5 team

Penn State-2
Ohio State-2

Wins vs Top 25 Teams

Penn State-3
Ohio State-4

Conference Record

Penn State- 9-1
Ohio State- 8-1

Win Streak

Penn State-9
Ohio State-5

Record vs Top 2 teams in the Big Ten East and Big Ten West

Penn State- 3-0
Ohio State- 1-1

-Remove the bias and hate for Penn State. If Pitt was in Penn State shoes and won the conference and the head to head AND had a better conference record, and didnt get into the playoff, you would be calling hard foul

 

[Delpanther]

They are about where they should be.

According to you... we just don't see eye to eye on this one. No problem...

 

[FireballZ]

-I didnt make the rule. But clearly there is a reading comprehension issue in play here to pump Ohio State by you and Ohio State fans. Here is the guideline, or rule, or whatever you want to call it straight from the handbook. Everything stated in the entire handbook favors Penn State over Ohio State. And there should be major backlash over it should Penn State beat Wisconsin.

This is from the actual rulebook. Follow the friggin rule in play. Keep it consistent. If that means Penn State plays West Virginia for the National Title under the current rules, so be it.

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:  Conference Championships won  Strength of schedule  Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)

The opening sentence of your rule quote prior to the comma is all that is needed for subjectivity to supersede.

 

[FireballZ]

-They are not comparable? Um, what?

If Penn State beats Wisconsin

11-2 Penn State
11-1 Ohio State

Wins vs Top 5 team

Penn State-2
Ohio State-2

Wins vs Top 25 Teams

Penn State-3
Ohio State-4

Conference Record

Penn State- 9-1
Ohio State- 8-1

Win Streak

Penn State-9
Ohio State-5

Record vs Top 2 teams in the Big Ten East and Big Ten West

Penn State- 3-0
Ohio State- 1-1

-Remove the bias and hate for Penn State. If Pitt was in Penn State shoes and won the conference and the head to head AND had a better conference record, and didnt get into the playoff, you would be calling hard foul

Wisconsin isn't a top 5 win for either OSU or PSU. Who is Penn State's 3rd Top 25 win? AP rankings don't matter. Iowa isn't in the real top 25. Why didn't you list SOS in your analysis?

I normally enjoy reading your posts, btw. You're just way off the mark on this one.

 

[steel_curtain]

Wisconsin isn't a top 5 win for either OSU or PSU. Who is Penn State's 3rd Top 25 win? AP rankings don't matter. Iowa isn't in the real top 25. Why didn't you list SOS in your analysis?

I normally enjoy reading your posts, btw. You're just way off the mark on this one.

-Im not going to continue to debate this because it is beating a dead horse. My personal opinion as of right now is Ohio State and Penn State should both be in with a PSU win in the BIG championship over Washington. Both should vault Washington based off resume. That is my opinion while following the handbook for selection.

-You have 3 different rankings used and way to much human opinion used in this entire selection process.

-Ill just say this. If Pitt is in this position next year sitting at 11-2 with an ACC title, Ill be fuming if Pitt doesnt get in when we play yet again a loaded schedule with 2 Preseason Top 15 teams in the non conference likely in Penn State and Oklahoma State while Washington beats up Rutgers and FCS teams in the non conference.

 

[Breeze90]

I do not condone covering up rape in order to protect a football program. I will never root for PS or Baylor. I rarely ever watch either one for this reason. They turned their backs on the victims, and it may seem like nothing but I am turning my back by not providing viewership. Hopefully they both get blasted every game they play.

You would never root for PSU regardless you airhead lol