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Were do I start? I thought this was a great hire when he came here. He has been here 3 years and 2 games. I really believed this year we would finally see a winning season and compete with the best in the ACC. His best year was with Canada as OC. When he left I kind of thought they would stay with some kind of offense that resembled what Canada started and playing most of Narduzzis' recruited players. Instead he has an offense that can't do much of anything. On defense which is suppose to be his specialty, is sub par at best and special teams is terrible. I hope he surprises me and makes me eat my words but as far as I'm concerned he has been below average at best. I sang praise for him the last couple of years because of the big upsets. But during those years he lost a lot of games that we should not have lost. If he continues to flop I don't think he will be are coach very much longer. His recruiting hasn't been great either. I sure hope that he gets this team together because I saw them quit on him last week. His assistant coaches aren't developing anyone either. Will Pitt recover and be successful this year, and if not How long do they stick with the coaches?
 
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As fans we have no choice but to “give it a chance”.
I still like Duzz but a potential 0-4 start is looming.
He’s gotta rebound and show he’s a head coach.
Give him some slack - beating Miami last year and Clemson the year before May or may not have been flukes.
Well find out the next few games.

No matter what he got till the end of next year to prove his mettle.
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Tbone0001 said:
Were do I start? I thought this was a great hire when he came here. He has been here 3 years and 2 games. I really believed this year we would finally see a winning season and compete with the best in the ACC. His best year was with Canada as OC. When he left I kind of thought they would stay with some kind of offense that resembled what Canada started and playing most of Narduzzis' recruited players. Instead he has an offense that can't do much of anything. On defense which is suppose to be his specialty, is sub par at best and special teams is terrible. I hope he surprises me and makes me eat my words but as far as I'm concerned he has been below average at best. I sang praise for him the last couple of years because of the big upsets. But during those years he lost a lot of games that we should not have lost. If he continues to flop I don't think he will be are coach very much longer. His recruiting hasn't been great either. I sure hope that he gets this team together because I saw them quit on him last week. His assistant coaches aren't developing anyone either. Will Pitt recover and be successful this year, and if not How long do they stick with the coaches?
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mbe 34 said:
As fans we have no choice but to “give it a chance”.
I still like Duzz but a potential 0-4 start is looming.
He’s gotta rebound and show he’s a head coach.
Give him some slack - beating Miami last year and Clemson the year before May or may not have been flukes.
Well find out the next few games.

No matter what he got till the end of next year to prove his mettle.
Beat GTech -
H2p
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Yeah....

Look it was thought Pitt had moved past these horrendous blowouts.

But it happened last year as well v OSU followed by a decent rebound with a very good finale.
So perhaps this can be another 5-7 yr and Duzz will return....

But a monumental coaching job is going to be required to mask the lack of size , speed and athleticism on this team.

Big question is can Duzz pull that off next yr..
 
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You can’t give a guy a seven year contract extension and then fire him the next year. It will kill the program. Also, who is available with the national cache to immediately turn around recruiting? Assuming there is someone available, would Pitt be able to pay him AND buy out the six or seven years left on Narduzzi’s contract? Can not see it happening.
 
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You can’t give a guy a seven year contract extension and then fire him the next year. It will kill the program. Also, who is available with the national cache to immediately turn around recruiting? Assuming there is someone available, would Pitt be able to pay him AND buy out the six or seven years left on Narduzzi’s contract? Can not see it happening.
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Agree no firing this yr....unless the worst possible scenario plays out.

But have to lmao at these questions....

who you gonna get???

How the blazes should we know? That’s the ultimate job of the boss down there in Oakland. They should have a hand on and documents filed w a basket full of possible coaches in the country...including NFL co-ordinators or ex NFL head coaches.

Using this argument as a defense of Duzz or Tomlin( btw not saying either sb canned) or anybody is horse hockey. Fans don’t know, fans can’t know....but those suits making a ton of dough should know and be able to find that person if need be.
 
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It's Wednesday all. This should be out of our systems by now.

The team stank it up in the second half, and he didn't have a great night. It felt worse because of the opponent's and circumstances. But Pitt wasn't going 13-0, wasn't going to the playoff. This was an expected OOC loss, only one loss whether 7-6 or 51-6, and there is plenty to play for left. Everything, actually.

Narduzzi is as good a coach as we are getting for now, a replacement would be worse, get it though your heads. The recruiting is bad for a bunch of reasons and most of those are institutional, not individual coaches or even the facilities (nor the fans).

You can replace the coach every week if you want, hire Bill Cowher, hire Colin Cowherd ... either way, with how college football is structured, the top recruits aren't coming here right now without a sack of cash or fob to an S-class. They'd rather go sit on the bench at blue bloods, at least they can ride coattails to big bowls. Maybe we'll get shots at the ones who fall through when they hit year 5 without ever playing, and grad transfer, but for now that's the only way we're seeing many 4 or 5 stars here, with any coach.

In other words our only real hope is to throw in behind the guy, grin and bear the sometimes yecch recruiting, lighten the OOC, hope he can repeat solid years like his first couple, and maybe the good years and stability will gradually increase the level of player willing to commit. In years with a really good QB and lots of productive seniors, maybe it all comes together. This is truly the best and likely only hope.
 
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Tbone0001 said:
Were do I start? I thought this was a great hire when he came here. He has been here 3 years and 2 games. I really believed this year we would finally see a winning season and compete with the best in the ACC. His best year was with Canada as OC. When he left I kind of thought they would stay with some kind of offense that resembled what Canada started and playing most of Narduzzis' recruited players. Instead he has an offense that can't do much of anything. On defense which is suppose to be his specialty, is sub par at best and special teams is terrible. I hope he surprises me and makes me eat my words but as far as I'm concerned he has been below average at best. I sang praise for him the last couple of years because of the big upsets. But during those years he lost a lot of games that we should not have lost. If he continues to flop I don't think he will be are coach very much longer. His recruiting hasn't been great either. I sure hope that he gets this team together because I saw them quit on him last week. His assistant coaches aren't developing anyone either. Will Pitt recover and be successful this year, and if not How long do they stick with the coaches?
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I can understand the frustration and you make some valid points, but you stated he lost a lot of games that he should not have lost. There are no Akron, Youngstown St, Ohio, Bowling Green, etc. losses, so what are you referring to?
 
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DiehardPanther said:
I can understand the frustration and you make some valid points, but you stated he lost a lot of games that he should not have lost. There are no Akron, Youngstown St, Ohio, Bowling Green, etc. losses, so what are you referring to?
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VT last year! You can't punch it in from the ONE on four tries!
 
ceelay42 said:
Your right.... I think we should hire and fire coaches every 2/3 years. That has worked out for us so well... Sometimes you have to take a step backwards to go forward.... Give it a chance.....
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Actually, he is right. This is year 4. The program is not progressing. Narduzzi needs to pull it together and show progress or he is Gonzo.

PS: It's you're not your. Think about it.
 
Panther_in_Kentucky said:
Actually, he is right. This is year 4. The program is not progressing. Narduzzi needs to pull it together and show progress or he is Gonzo.

PS: It's you're not your. Think about it.
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You quite correctly call out the Pitt leadership in other threads. Say they conclude he's gone after a bad year this year... do you have any confidence they are bringing in an upgrade?

If you cite Capel, I'll counter that he hasn't coached a game yet, and seems an upgrade only in that he replaced what had to be worst hiring in Pitt history, which is saying something. While that AD is gone, all those above him who had to sign off on it, are still there.

So all things considered, a few more years of the devil you know sounds more promising than the Stallings you don't.
 
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paulbl99 said:
Yeah....

Look it was thought Pitt had moved past these horrendous blowouts.

But it happened last year as well v OSU followed by a decent rebound with a very good finale.
So perhaps this can be another 5-7 yr and Duzz will return....

But a monumental coaching job is going to be required to mask the lack of size , speed and athleticism on this team.

Big question is can Duzz pull that off next yr..
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Blowout losses are part of football though. Really, unless it's Alabama & Nick Saban, almost every team experiences them from time to time.
 
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Ultimately I think it's fine to fire Narduzzi after next year if he can't win the division by then. Five years should be enough time to win a manageable seven team division even one time. We don't know the financial situation of the buyout, but that is a reasonable standard imho.
 
TD_6082 said:
Blowout losses are part of football though. Really, unless it's Alabama & Nick Saban, almost every team experiences them from time to time.
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Chances are there we could have three. ND looks fairly stout and Miami will be fired up for the game. The potential is there. I hope we just focus on GTech and turn it around
 
Tbone0001 said:
Were do I start? I thought this was a great hire when he came here. He has been here 3 years and 2 games. I really believed this year we would finally see a winning season and compete with the best in the ACC. His best year was with Canada as OC. When he left I kind of thought they would stay with some kind of offense that resembled what Canada started and playing most of Narduzzis' recruited players. Instead he has an offense that can't do much of anything. On defense which is suppose to be his specialty, is sub par at best and special teams is terrible. I hope he surprises me and makes me eat my words but as far as I'm concerned he has been below average at best. I sang praise for him the last couple of years because of the big upsets. But during those years he lost a lot of games that we should not have lost. If he continues to flop I don't think he will be are coach very much longer. His recruiting hasn't been great either. I sure hope that he gets this team together because I saw them quit on him last week. His assistant coaches aren't developing anyone either. Will Pitt recover and be successful this year, and if not How long do they stick with the coaches?
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Holy Sheet you people are such pussies.

Look... every rag had us at 5-7 or 6-6. We have a QB that made one start, inexperienced line, no receivers or TE, and a defense that gave up 13,000 yards in one game last year to Oklahoma state, and every post is how horrible we are.

Then... we lose A GAME... albeit to our rivals, and it was embarrassing, and the fans fall apart? This is why we cant have nice things so-to-speak. The fickleness is unbelievable. We may win three straight, and everyone will be talking national championship talk, then lose a game and fire the coach. It never ends. Our rival, their coaches actually rapes children, and they hold protest to keep him.

Just chill, no one is getting fired mid-season, its mental to talk about it, and at seasons end if recruiting sucks, we have a losing record, and it doesnt look like the program is moving forward I am 100% Heather will do her job in making a good decision. I think Narduzzi is a very good coach, and the best one we had here in awhile, but sure losing big to your rival has gotten many a coach their pink slips. But do that and we are scrambling the next 3 years again. It is a stupid ass cycle, and why the psu flamers with 20 handles keep pushing the idea.
 
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Coastal champs since we joined in 2011:
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Duke
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Virginia Tech
Miami

Pitt and Virginia are the two teams that haven't gotten it done. Pitt's highest finish was a second place tie, which would have been third if it had to go to a true tiebreaker scenario because Miami beat us head to head. So we've never really truly finished even in the top 2.

This conference has been good for Pitt to avoid getting stuck in either a conference that was a bad fit (Big 10) or vastly inferior (AAC.) Non revenue sports are getting some real upgrades. But it hasn't been very good for our major sports teams actually winning anything.
 
It would certainly be an amazing overreaction (and financially untenable) to fire PN mid-season.

But I can’t figure out why people on here think Duzz is a good coach.

Does he have any of the qualities you’d hope for in a successful HC?

E.g. does he recruit well? Can he assemble a strong staff? Does he retain his top lieutenants? Does he represent the University well? Does he develop players? Can he maintain focus week to week?

In my view, he is too unhinged to be a great leader. And he brings none of those qualities to the table.
 
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McKee Place said:
It's Wednesday all. This should be out of our systems by now.

The team stank it up in the second half, and he didn't have a great night. It felt worse because of the opponent's and circumstances. But Pitt wasn't going 13-0, wasn't going to the playoff. This was an expected OOC loss, only one loss whether 7-6 or 51-6, and there is plenty to play for left. Everything, actually.

Narduzzi is as good a coach as we are getting for now, a replacement would be worse, get it though your heads. The recruiting is bad for a bunch of reasons and most of those are institutional, not individual coaches or even the facilities (nor the fans).

You can replace the coach every week if you want, hire Bill Cowher, hire Colin Cowherd ... either way, with how college football is structured, the top recruits aren't coming here right now without a sack of cash or fob to an S-class. They'd rather go sit on the bench at blue bloods, at least they can ride coattails to big bowls. Maybe we'll get shots at the ones who fall through when they hit year 5 without ever playing, and grad transfer, but for now that's the only way we're seeing many 4 or 5 stars here, with any coach.

In other words our only real hope is to throw in behind the guy, grin and bear the sometimes yecch recruiting, lighten the OOC, hope he can repeat solid years like his first couple, and maybe the good years and stability will gradually increase the level of player willing to commit. In years with a really good QB and lots of productive seniors, maybe it all comes together. This is truly the best and likely only hope.
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Except that isn't really true. Durkin was getting the kind of recruiting classes at Maryland we should be capable of before the scandal. The same is true of VT. Franklin elevated recruiting at both Vandy and PSU by leaps and bounds. The key is the coach and his staff. Hell, you see it at blue bloods all the time, too. Charlie Strong and his staff didn't do it at Texas, but Herman is. Saban elevated both LSU and Alabama immediately. Smart did it at UGA.
 
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Durkin pre-scandal is a great comparison. He aggressively recruited a strong staff and was winning recruiting battles and assembling top 15-20 classess.

Joe Moorhead has a top 20 class in the works at Mississippi State. He too assembled a strong staff of good recruiters.

PN did not
 
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Blowout losses are part of football though. Really, unless it's Alabama & Nick Saban, almost every team experiences them from time to time.
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Back to back yrs total humiliation

Don’t think so..unless it’s a rum dum team.
 
mbe 34 said:
As fans we have no choice but to “give it a chance”.
I still like Duzz but a potential 0-4 start is looming.
He’s gotta rebound and show he’s a head coach.
Give him some slack - beating Miami last year and Clemson the year before May or may not have been flukes.
Well find out the next few games.

No matter what he got till the end of next year to prove his mettle.
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At the end of the day RECRUITING is the life blood of any team. Pitt will never get to top tier status unless they completely upgrade their level of recruiting. How their recruiting now is pathetic. Expect more of the same beatdowns as this season progresses. Next year looks even worse.
 
foxchapelpanther said:
It would certainly be an amazing overreaction (and financially untenable) to fire PN mid-season.

But I can’t figure out why people on here think Duzz is a good coach.

Does he have any of the qualities you’d hope for in a successful HC?

E.g. does he recruit well? Can he assemble a strong staff? Does he retain his top lieutenants? Does he represent the University well? Does he develop players? Can he maintain focus week to week?

In my view, he is too unhinged to be a great leader. And he brings none of those qualities to the table.
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Agree. Well stated.
 
I wouldn't want Kiffin. I might take him over Narduzzi but I don't think he's a very good head coach. Great offensive mind, and that, along with his willingness to take any player regardless of red flags, will win him his current conference most years. It wouldn't work in the OC. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE if we could shit-can Watson and replace him with Kiffin, but that's never going to happen.
 
foxchapelpanther said:
It would certainly be an amazing overreaction (and financially untenable) to fire PN mid-season.

But I can’t figure out why people on here think Duzz is a good coach.

Does he have any of the qualities you’d hope for in a successful HC?

E.g. does he recruit well? Can he assemble a strong staff? Does he retain his top lieutenants? Does he represent the University well? Does he develop players? Can he maintain focus week to week?

In my view, he is too unhinged to be a great leader. And he brings none of those qualities to the table.
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I'm not sure why there is an assumption that the extension made the buyout go up. That's not always the case. Sometime AD's trade a raise and some time to lower the buyout. Franklin's last extension lowered his buyout to $2 million.
 
MarshallGoldberg said:
Ultimately I think it's fine to fire Narduzzi after next year if he can't win the division by then. Five years should be enough time to win a manageable seven team division even one time. We don't know the financial situation of the buyout, but that is a reasonable standard imho.
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I don't think he even has to win the division. Just compete for it. If he goes 6-6 this year and 8-4 next year he isn't going anywhere and I don't think he should in that situation. To me he needs to win 14 games in the next two years. IF he goes 7-5 then another 7-5 brings him back. Go 4-8 then he needs to have a big year(although I would be ok bringing him back at 9-3
 
richmin3 said:
At the end of the day RECRUITING is the life blood of any team. Pitt will never get to top tier status unless they completely upgrade their level of recruiting. How their recruiting now is pathetic. Expect more of the same beatdowns as this season progresses. Next year looks even worse.
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I don't necessarily agree with the part about more of the same beatdowns this year, but the recruiting take is spot on. That's been the issue for almost 30 years.
 
MarshallGoldberg said:
Coastal champs since we joined in 2011:
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Duke
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Virginia Tech
Miami

Pitt and Virginia are the two teams that haven't gotten it done. Pitt's highest finish was a second place tie, which would have been third if it had to go to a true tiebreaker scenario because Miami beat us head to head. So we've never really truly finished even in the top 2.

This conference has been good for Pitt to avoid getting stuck in either a conference that was a bad fit (Big 10) or vastly inferior (AAC.) Non revenue sports are getting some real upgrades. But it hasn't been very good for our major sports teams actually winning anything.
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Pitt didn't join the ACC until the 2013 season. Doesn't really change the fact that Pitt and UVA are still the only two...
 
revampedpanthers said:
I don't think he even has to win the division. Just compete for it. If he goes 6-6 this year and 8-4 next year he isn't going anywhere and I don't think he should in that situation. To me he needs to win 14 games in the next two years. IF he goes 7-5 then another 7-5 brings him back. Go 4-8 then he needs to have a big year(although I would be ok bringing him back at 9-3
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In theory I may agree and in practice you're probably right. But how long should a coach have to actual win a division? It's not even winning a conference, which should be the ultimate goal for non-national title contenders.

FireballZ said:
Pitt didn't join the ACC until the 2013 season. Doesn't really change the fact that Pitt and UVA are still the only two...
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OK I was way off on my dates, apologies.
 
Jpripper88 said:
He has the upside, but I don't think he would come here or be a great fit in the region.
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I really hope Narduzzi gets it done here, but every AD must have a realistic list of potential candidates. #1 is Jason Candle at Toledo. The guy has recruited our territory well. He is a winner. He grew up about an hour away.
 
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