New 3-point line
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Whatever the distance the appropriate distance is where the average shooting percentage is 33.3%.
Right. Not sure about that percentage exactly but they need to keep moving it back until they get the right percentage. The shot is too easy. The 3 has become cool due to analytics and the Steph Curry effect. I would make it the NBA corner 3 distance.
Do you think that the NCAA has analytics that are sophisticated and widespread enough to be able to make that call? I have seen that idea proposed for the NBA, which does have the data.
Think they used it in NIT games last year. I like it.
College hoops is a foul shooting contest with 3 point shooting, zero mid range game. It needs a change.
College hoops is a foul shooting contest with 3 point shooting, zero mid range game. It needs a change.
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They are just going to make it the NBA but with worse players. 4 quarters and 24 second shot clock is coming. I am totally against that. I love the 1 and 1. Adds drama to the end of games. I would stick with 2 halves but maybe bump up the 1 and 1 to 9 fouls and 2 shot fouls on the 12th foul. But I do think the 3 point line needs moved back for sure. Players are making them at too high of a rate. Its too easy.
College players shot 35.2% from 3 in 17-18. I cant find the 18-19 number but that's too high and the amount of 3s taken per game has increased by 67% since 2000. Moving back is the right thing. I suspect it will need moved back again in about 10 years.
When analytical data tells you that it makes no sense to try an open 14’ jump shot, to not even attempt this regardless of the outcome, you know things need changed.
Trial and error. Move it out for a season and track the stats and repeat until it fits.
The NCAA may not have the numbers per se, but I would be stunned if the individual teams, especially the P6 conference teams, don't.
I guarantee Pitt has shot charts for every game they play that show where each shot was taken from and the outcome of the shot. If the NCAA doesn't have the numbers, it's merely because they have never bothered to aggregate the numbers, not that they couldn't have the numbers if they wanted them.
By the way, the other proposed changes for next year are:
1) Reset the shot clock to 20 after offensive rebounds (good idea)
2) Flagrant 2 technical and ejection for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, religion, etc. (good idea, you'd think the refs could already do that but put it in the rules and make it mandatory)
3) Coaches can call live ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime. (I'd prefer they couldn't, but it's not a big deal)
4) Add replay reviews for goaltending calls in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime.
1) Reset the shot clock to 20 after offensive rebounds (good idea)
2) Flagrant 2 technical and ejection for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, religion, etc. (good idea, you'd think the refs could already do that but put it in the rules and make it mandatory)
3) Coaches can call live ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime. (I'd prefer they couldn't, but it's not a big deal)
4) Add replay reviews for goaltending calls in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime.
Who would this rule change favor more the Power 5 schools or the Mid Major conferences?
The 3 point shot really helps the smaller schools compete making the shot more difficult could end up being a big advantage for the power conferences.
The 3 point shot really helps the smaller schools compete making the shot more difficult could end up being a big advantage for the power conferences.
Too high.
The NBA was 33.8625 a year ago. The NBA distance is 23 ft 9 in except in the corners where it is closer at 22 feet. (Note: I suspect the NBA % would drop closer to the 33.3 if the shorter distance corner 3 was eliminated.) The NCAA men's line is 20 ft 9 in. everywhere. The International line is 22 ft. 2 in except 21 ft 8 in in corners.
Given the more talented shooters in the NBA, IMHO, the NCAA should try the international distance and see if it brings the % down to the desired 33.3 average where it should ideally be to not make it more valuable than 2 point FGs shot at 50%.
Another suggestion, if the percentage remains too high after the switch to the International distance, would be to eliminate the shorter distance 3-point shot from the corners and see what that would do (i.e., have the 3-point arc exit the court at the sideline above the corners so that all 3 pointers are from the same (out top) arc distance.
Good move and a little overdue.
I am pro four quarters. It's done in JV, high school, WNCAA (i think?), nba, wnba, the olympics...less time outs but one more built in break.
I am pro four quarters. It's done in JV, high school, WNCAA (i think?), nba, wnba, the olympics...less time outs but one more built in break.
I believe the Olympics is 20 minute halves. The original reason college ball went away from quarters was to mimic the international rules at a time when we only sent college players to the Olympics and no NBA pros. So, it has outlived its original purpose.
Love the 1&1. But you can switch to 4 quarters for better flow and keep the fouls by half.
Considering we were pretty bad guarding against the 3 point shot and lost Frame who was our only 3 pt shooter I am ok with moving the 3 pt line back to half court.
They will never do that. I don't get the "flow" argument. The only thing that quarters help in talking about flow is that fouls reset so teams aren't shooting FT's on non-shooting fouls for the last 12 minutes. But, I said we don't need to be the NBA. Just keep the halves and make them shoot the bonus at 9 fouls and the double bonus at 12.
Love the idea of going to quarters especially if the International Game plays quarters.
I don' t know where I got the idea that we switched from quarters to halves in the 1960's or 70's to match olympic/international play since they were playing quarters already overseas. I was probably conflating it with the adoption of the 3 point line or something?
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Go to a women's game and see for yourself.
First of all, because of the foul rules they shoot fewer foul shots. You never have a situation where a team is in the bonus shooting foul shots for 10 or 12 minutes of the half. Foul shots slow the game down. Fewer foul shots make the game flow better.
Secondly, there is one less commercial break, but they partly make up for that by having the quarter break be longer than a "regular" timeout. Which, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really matter. There is going to be a break there anyway, what difference does it make if it is a little longer? Especially since it means one less commercial break overall.
I don't have any numbers to back it up (although I'll bet the NCAA does), but it sure seems like women's games take less time to play since they have gone to quarters. It is now very rare for a non-overtime game to go beyond two hours. Frequently a 7:00 game is over by 8:50. You don't think the television networks would love it if the NCAA made a change that decreased the number of games that run over a two hour television block by, say, 50% or 75%? You don't think that Pitt fans who hate it when the beginning of their 9:00 game isn't on television because the game before theirs doesn't end until 9:15 would appreciate games taking less time?
Quarters are inevitable. At this point literally the only argument for halves is "well that's the way we've always done it." And that's a stupid reason.
You can accomplish all that by letting college basketball be college basketball.
- Increase the number of fouls for the bonus to 9, 10, 11, whatever.
- Just have 3 TV TOs per half at the under 15, 10, and 5.
People act like the only way you can help the game flow better is to have quarters. Uh, no, if all you are trying to do is to have fewer foul shots and fewer TV TOs, that's really easy to do by making slight changes to current 2 half format.
Less foul shots the better. College hoops is fragmented as hell. Don’t care how you do it but get it done.
Less time outs and less foul shots. Please.
Less time outs and less foul shots. Please.
The notion that college basketball is somehow different than NBA basketball or high school basketball or FIBA basketball or Olympic basketball or just about any other kind of basketball on the planet is just plain dumb.
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