Notre Dame AD Squashes Rumors Of Moving Football To The ACC Full Time, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

UConn wishful thinking, No ND in the ACC, OU Contemplation, ESPN Reorganization & ACCN, all seem on Hold for a while?
Excerpt:
Swarbrick said rumors of talks about full-time football status with the conference are simply not true
"We love the ACC but we love our relationship the way it is and there hasn't been any discussion," Swarbrick added..............
Is there a scenario where Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member? Absolutely. In fact, the agreement is set so that if Notre Dame football ever joins a conference, it would be the ACC. But that's not the present situation, and until something drastic changes in the college football landscape, it seems unlikely that Notre Dame will be rushing to change its status with the league.

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...mors-of-moving-football-to-the-acc-full-time/

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Pfffft. A mere ND AD doesn't have "the sources" that our Connecticut Dude here has.

 

[Swervin27]

Pfffft. A mere ND AD doesn't have "the sources" that our Connecticut Dude here has.

lol, I agree. UConn bloggers know a heck of a lot more about this situation than any AD for ND has.

 

[revampedpanthers]

lol, I agree. UConn bloggers know a heck of a lot more about this situation than any AD for ND has.

I don't doubt that there have been talks between the ACC and ND joining full time. Those talks are probably the ACC asking because of the upcoming network and ND passing but also in case the time comes where ND is basically forced to join. How could they be forced. If CFB moves to 4 power conferences and keeps the playoff number at 4 it will become very hard for ND to make the final 4. Especially if the conference title games become a pseudo playoff from 8 teams. In that scenario ND would join the ACC. I don't see many other scenario's where they would join. Maybe if they go 11-1 or 10-2 a few times and get left out of the current scenario it could prompt a move.

 

[Swervin27]

I wonder if the ACC told ND they could keep their NBC contract, if that would help? yeah, espn doesn't get the ND home games but so what, they still get the ND away games and makes their acc network more appealing. I think that's the only real bargaining chip that the ACC has. no way the Big ten gives them that option.

Basically, you tell them they keep their TV contract and they can pick the other school invite. probably still not enough. reality is, they can have their cake and eat it too. I mean, they make like 80+ million a year in revenue, don't share squat, have just as much access to a playoff as any conference team, they have their non revenue and bball program taken care of.. I mean, there literally is zero reason for them to join a conference.

 

[Las Panteras]

this

 

[88Pitt88]

When does ND's contract with NBC run out? Maybe they are tired of paying out that type of money to be affiliated with a very mediocre football team. Their ship has sailed. They still get some good white kids to go there because their daddies and grandpas remember what ND was in the past and push them to go there. However it is no longer a high school kids dream to go to college and play for ND. ND is playing a dangerous game thinking it holds all the cards and will always be welcomed to the conference of its choice. A few more 3-8 or even 500 records may suddenly wake NBC up to realize they are grosssly overpaying to televise an inferior product and program. I hope they are dumb enough to think they can go on exploiting the network and thinking they have their choice of conferences when needed. Maybe they will continue to suck and have to beg for admittance to conference USA!

 

[Swervin27]

When does ND's contract with NBC run out? Maybe they are tired of paying out that type of money to be affiliated with a very mediocre football team. Their ship has sailed. They still get some good white kids to go there because their daddies and grandpas remember what ND was in the past and push them to go there. However it is no longer a high school kids dream to go to college and play for ND. ND is playing a dangerous game thinking it holds all the cards and will always be welcomed to the conference of its choice. A few more 3-8 or even 500 records may suddenly wake NBC up to realize they are grosssly overpaying to televise an inferior product and program. I hope they are dumb enough to think they can go on exploiting the network and thinking they have their choice of conferences when needed. Maybe they will continue to suck and have to beg for admittance to conference USA!

lol, these are the posts I was referring too.

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 1997

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 2007

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 2017

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year contract extension to televise Notre Dame football games Thursday, doubling the length of its previous agreement.

NBC and Notre Dame said the extension would begin in 2016 and run through the 2025 season. The contract, reportedly worth $15 million annually for football, had never run for more than five years.

NBC will have global media rights on all platforms to a minimum of seven Notre Dame home football games each year, with most airing on the main NBC network. It also allows for games to be carried on the NBC Sports Network cable channel.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

As long as NBC continues shut out of the NFL I'd expect them to not only keep ND but to overpay if they have to. What will they put on in its place? More Ottawa Senators hockey? Soccer (possibly more entertaining than the Senators ... but only possibly)? Figure skating? Chick golf?

 

[Swervin27]

As long as NBC continues shut out of the NFL I'd expect them to not only keep ND but to overpay if they have to. What will they put on in its place? More Ottawa Senators hockey? Soccer (possibly more entertaining than the Senators ... but only possibly)? Figure skating? Chick golf?

summer Olympics. which is less entertaining than womens golf.

 

[DiehardPanther]

summer Olympics. which is less entertaining than womens golf.

The Summer Olympics are entertaining. The Winter Olympics are a bore.

 

[Swervin27]

id rather watch old people eat than watch the summer Olympics.

 

[topdecktiger]

lol, these are the posts I was referring too.

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 1997

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 2007

"yep, ND is in real trouble and will have to join a conference soon, NBC wont extend their tv contract" -circa 2017

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year contract extension to televise Notre Dame football games Thursday, doubling the length of its previous agreement.

NBC and Notre Dame said the extension would begin in 2016 and run through the 2025 season. The contract, reportedly worth $15 million annually for football, had never run for more than five years.

NBC will have global media rights on all platforms to a minimum of seven Notre Dame home football games each year, with most airing on the main NBC network. It also allows for games to be carried on the NBC Sports Network cable channel.

Circa 1997, circa 2007, the NBC contract matched anything other schools made. Now, $15 million is less than all the other P5 schools get from their TV contracts.

 

[Gary77]

I would be more curious to know if there are any talks taking place between the ACC and Texas. IF Texas would join the ACC then ND would follow suit, imo.

 

[Swervin27]

Circa 1997, circa 2007, the NBC contract matched anything other schools made. Now, $15 million is less than all the other P5 schools get from their TV contracts.

well then in 2025, they should renegotiate better terms..

 

[pittmeister]

The problem for ND is not the money. The problem is competing for a national title. If the playoffs stay at 4 teams, then they would seriously need to consider joining the ACC. If it expands to 8 teams, then there is no need to join any league.

 

[88Pitt88]

The problem for ND is not the money. The problem is competing for a national title. If the playoffs stay at 4 teams, then they would seriously need to consider joining the ACC. If it expands to 8 teams, then there is no need to join any league.

Agree. It is awfully hard to compete for a national title when your program sucks! NBC can pay them forever, they still suck!

 

[Swervin27]

The problem for ND is not the money. The problem is competing for a national title. If the playoffs stay at 4 teams, then they would seriously need to consider joining the ACC. If it expands to 8 teams, then there is no need to join any league.

ND will get any and all benefit of the doubt with regards to getting one of the 4 playoff spots, if they are even in contention. the powers that be would love nothing more than to have ND involved in this. by no stretch of the imagination are they at a disadvantage in getting one of these spots.

 

[Swervin27]

Agree. It is awfully hard to compete for a national title when your program sucks! NBC can pay them forever, they still suck!

well that's something we can all agree on. no argument here on that one.

 

[topdecktiger]

well then in 2025, they should renegotiate better terms..

Didn't work for them this time.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

UConn wishful thinking, No ND in the ACC, OU Contemplation, ESPN Reorganization & ACCN, all seem on Hold for a while?
Excerpt:
Swarbrick said rumors of talks about full-time football status with the conference are simply not true
"We love the ACC but we love our relationship the way it is and there hasn't been any discussion," Swarbrick added..............
Is there a scenario where Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member? Absolutely. In fact, the agreement is set so that if Notre Dame football ever joins a conference, it would be the ACC. But that's not the present situation, and until something drastic changes in the college football landscape, it seems unlikely that Notre Dame will be rushing to change its status with the league.

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...mors-of-moving-football-to-the-acc-full-time/

I'm a little late to the party in terms of this thread, but that original report didn't even have enough substance to qualify as a rumor.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

I wish people would live in the real world.

The NCAA doesn't regulate the football postseason. They don't control the bowls, and they don't control the playoffs. That's why they don't have any sort of rules about independents. The NCAA doesn't control anything besides the regular season, so they can't regulate Notre Dame either way.

Great post so now tell me who does?
Why wouldn't or shouldn't the NCAA regulate conferences? Or is it the consortium of U's/ AD's?

 

[Swervin27]

This decades long belief that ND is in trouble is so annoying. Honestly, how many years now have you guys been posting that "the time is coming where they will be forced to join a conference?"

ND annoys me too, I am far from a fan but come on now with this ridiculous assumption that they are going to be forced to join a conference.

 

[topdecktiger]

Great post so now tell me who does?
Why wouldn't or shouldn't the NCAA regulate conferences? Or is it the consortium of U's/ AD's?

You stumbled into the answer. It literally is a consortium of presidents and athletic directors. The CFP was created by the conferences themselves. The bowl games are also controlled by the conferences, in conjunction with the individual bowl committees. The major bowls are also controlled by the CFP as well.

The NCAA also can't force any school to join a conference. This has already been decided in court.

This decades long belief that ND is in trouble is so annoying. Honestly, how many years now have you guys been posting that "the time is coming where they will be forced to join a conference?"

ND annoys me too, I am far from a fan but come on now with this ridiculous assumption that they are going to be forced to join a conference.

Probably since the other schools started getting bigger contracts than Notre Dame. And when Notre Dame stopped being competitive with the top level teams.

 

[pittdan77]

Wait, so message board predictions were wrong? Again?

This can't be happening.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Why wouldn't or shouldn't the NCAA regulate conferences? Or is it the consortium of U's/ AD's?

The NCAA ain't the WPIAL.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The NCAA ain't the WPIAL.

I didn't say anything about the WPIAL.
So since you stated that the NCAA doesn't regulate conferences, bowl games, etc who does? You still didn't answer the ?

 

[revampedpanthers]

When does ND's contract with NBC run out? Maybe they are tired of paying out that type of money to be affiliated with a very mediocre football team. Their ship has sailed. They still get some good white kids to go there because their daddies and grandpas remember what ND was in the past and push them to go there. However it is no longer a high school kids dream to go to college and play for ND. ND is playing a dangerous game thinking it holds all the cards and will always be welcomed to the conference of its choice. A few more 3-8 or even 500 records may suddenly wake NBC up to realize they are grosssly overpaying to televise an inferior product and program. I hope they are dumb enough to think they can go on exploiting the network and thinking they have their choice of conferences when needed. Maybe they will continue to suck and have to beg for admittance to conference USA!

while I am sure NBC would like ND to be good to increase ratings its not like they aren't getting good ratings even as a 6-6 team. 15 million isn't a bad deal at all for nbc to get 6 or 7 ND games. Most opponents are pretty good names. Even Navy is a solid draw. ESpn is paying TX 15 million for crap. I am sure NBC is very happy to get those home games for that price. As far as the ACC network NO ND games would ever be on it anyhow. They are all picked up by national TV. Also they could join any conference they want at anytime and another 10 6-6 season's aren't going to change that. At least if they do join it will be the ACC, or they will have to pay 52 million along with whatever it takes to get their BB games back.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

I didn't say anything about the WPIAL.
So since you stated that the NCAA doesn't regulate conferences, bowl games, etc who does? You still didn't answer the ?

You asked why the NCAA wouldn't or shouldn't regulate conferences. My mention of the WPIAL was to provide a contrasting example of a body that does regulate conferences. Folks here are so dense.

 

[Swervin27]

soo the AD said they have no desire to join a conference, the TV contract doesn't end til 8 years from now. what more do we need to end this "ND will join conference" talk?

 

[h2p_5150]

This idea of Notre Dame having a one loss season and getting left out of the playoff cracks me up. Unless there are 4 undefeated teams they'll find a way to get a one-loss Notre Dame team in there...

 

[Swervin27]

This idea of Notre Dame having a one loss season and getting left out of the playoff cracks me up. Unless there are 4 undefeated teams they'll find a way to get a one-loss Notre Dame team in there...

if you realistically think about this, ND has easier access to the playoffs than if they do join a conference. for your reason mainly, they run the table or even lose 1 game, they are in over a 1 loss P5 program that will have to win their conference.

they need to worry about winning 7 games first though before worrying about getting into the playoff bowl package.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

soo the AD said they have no desire to join a conference, the TV contract doesn't end til 8 years from now. what more do we need to end this "ND will join conference" talk?

For UConn to be invited to the Big 12

 

[topdecktiger]

if you realistically think about this, ND has easier access to the playoffs than if they do join a conference. for your reason mainly, they run the table or even lose 1 game, they are in over a 1 loss P5 program that will have to win their conference.

they need to worry about winning 7 games first though before worrying about getting into the playoff bowl package.

That last part is the whole problem. In the past 20 years, Notre Dame has had a grand total of 4 seasons with 10+ wins. Only one of those seasons did they have fewer than 2 regular season losses (2012). The problem is that Notre Dame isn't getting the type of recruits that they used to. They aren't playing at the same level as they did in the past. That's what it all boils down to. It's not 1975 anymore. Today's recruits don't value the same things as recruits did 30+ years ago. You can tell me all you want about alumni, or NBC, or anything else. It obviously isn't resonating with recruits, and that's what makes or breaks a program.

 

[Swervin27]

That last part is the whole problem. In the past 20 years, Notre Dame has had a grand total of 4 seasons with 10+ wins. Only one of those seasons did they have fewer than 2 regular season losses (2012). The problem is that Notre Dame isn't getting the type of recruits that they used to. They aren't playing at the same level as they did in the past. That's what it all boils down to. It's not 1975 anymore. Today's recruits don't value the same things as recruits did 30+ years ago. You can tell me all you want about alumni, or NBC, or anything else. It obviously isn't resonating with recruits, and that's what makes or breaks a program.

I am not seeing this fall off on recruiting. they were 13th last year, 13th the year before, 11th in '15 and are currently 5th in '18 with a strong class..

now this is on paper and obviously recruiting rankings don't mean wins, hence they sucked last year. but they still are landing damn good recruits. if they get a coach they can turn it around at a drop of a hat, same as Michigan did. their problem is not recruiting, it's coaching. they have the talent, again on paper at least. if that's not talent they are bringing in, rivals is flat out, dead wrong on their rankings..

I am not getting how this is conference/independent related though. maybe as an independent, they have too tough a schedule and if they join a conference, they get the luxury of playing a few annual bottom dwellers. that's the only angle I see here though. they are not doing Brian Kelly any favors by their football schedule, it's sick. Georgia, UNC, USC,Miami, Stanford.. I don't see Michigan though, did that series end? That's a shame if so, that was a great annual rivalry.

 

[topdecktiger]

I am not seeing this fall off on recruiting. they were 13th last year, 13th the year before, 11th in '15 and are currently 5th in '18 with a strong class..

now this is on paper and obviously recruiting rankings don't mean wins, hence they sucked last year. but they still are landing damn good recruits. if they get a coach they can turn it around at a drop of a hat, same as Michigan did. their problem is not recruiting, it's coaching. they have the talent, again on paper at least. if that's not talent they are bringing in, rivals is flat out, dead wrong on their rankings..

I am not getting how this is conference/independent related though. maybe as an independent, they have too tough a schedule and if they join a conference, they get the luxury of playing a few annual bottom dwellers. that's the only angle I see here though.

No, their problem is recruiting. You said yourself, it's all on paper. Notre Dame's talent is simply not on par with the top schools. That's pretty evident when you look at their results against top teams. Sure, they get an upset here and there, but when they have gone up against top teams, they are losing on a pretty consistent basis, and often times dramatically so. They haven't won a major bowl game in 20 years, and they frankly have gotten their ass kicked when they did go. You can tell me all you want about recruiting rankings. I'm looking at what they put on the field, and top to bottom, they simply don't have the talent that the used to.

I can tell you exactly how this relates to a conference. Being independent is one thing that hinders their recruiting. For example, a P5 school can offer kids a chance to win a conference championship. These kids like going home and being able to show off to their friends. If you don't think that matters, then you are out of touch with today's 18 year olds. The CFP committee obviously favors P5 teams.

 

[Swervin27]

No, their problem is recruiting. You said yourself, it's all on paper. Notre Dame's talent is simply not on par with the top schools. That's pretty evident when you look at their results against top teams. Sure, they get an upset here and there, but when they have gone up against top teams, they are losing on a pretty consistent basis, and often times dramatically so. They haven't won a major bowl game in 20 years, and they frankly have gotten their ass kicked when they did go. You can tell me all you want about recruiting rankings. I'm looking at what they put on the field, and top to bottom, they simply don't have the talent that the used to.

I can tell you exactly how this relates to a conference. Being independent is one thing that hinders their recruiting. For example, a P5 school can offer kids a chance to win a conference championship. These kids like going home and being able to show off to their friends. If you don't think that matters, then you are out of touch with today's 18 year olds. The CFP committee obviously favors P5 teams.

so if they don't have talent, yet the recruiting services are putting all of their classes in the top 10-15 every year, what does that say about these recruiting sites? They are bringing in very talented classes every year, according to everyone that is employed in this field. So everyone is wrong? Every year?

you are painting a pretty drab picture here and well, I don't think it's that bad. they won 10 regular season games in two seasons ago, they were in the national championship game in '12. they were 9-3 and 8-5 in the years in between.. YEah, last year sucked but that seems more of an anomaly. Fiesta bowl and NC game in last 5 years, that's not too bad.

 

[topdecktiger]

cant argue with your statement about ND not being what they used to be.. they get that great year and sandwich it with a lot of mediocre seasons. no arguments here. we could debate forever on why? From aging white irish-catholic blue collar types to people moving south to cable tv and internet streaming, or it could be as simple as poor coaching hires. with that said, they are still a national program, one of a very select few programs that can recruit nationally.

Right, and they aren't recruiting the same type of athletes they used to get. Not across the board. The thing you are missing is, as some point, Notre Dame HAS to get back to what they used to be. They can't go on forever as a mediocre program living in the past. At some point, you can't be a national program going 7-5 every year. And I'm telling you we have 20 years of evidence to prove they aren't close to turning it around.

 

[topdecktiger]

so if they don't have talent, yet the recruiting services are putting all of their classes in the top 10-15 every year, what does that say about these recruiting sites? They are bringing in very talented classes every year, according to everyone that is employed in this field. So everyone is wrong? Every year?

Yep, they are. The only thing that matters is what the players actually do on the field. You can watch Notre Dame and clearly see that, across the board, they aren't as athletic as the top teams. It's simply not debatable.

 

[Swervin27]

Yep, they are. The only thing that matters is what the players actually do on the field. You can watch Notre Dame and clearly see that, across the board, they aren't as athletic as the top teams. It's simply not debatable.

they played in the NC game and in the fiesta bowl within the last 5 years. IF that's bad, sign me up for that. 43 wins and 21 losses in last 5 years with an NC appearance and fiesta bowl appearance, AND that includes a dreadful season last year. i'd take that 5 year run any day..

Listen, you hate ND and you think it's BS that they get to be an independent. i get it and to be honest, i feel similar. they can schedule who they want, they don't play these FCS scrimmage games that the P5 schools play, they don't have to share their tv money, they are on NBC every saturday.. it's horse puckey, im with you. but just admit it for what it is, don't invent a false narrative about their recruiting or their wins on the field.