Notre Dame and the ACC

[Cap pitt]

What refs did the Pitt, ND game today? We're they ACC refs? what is the affiliation between the ACC and ND? If ND gets in the playoffs does the ACC get any money because if the ACC does get money and they were ACC refs, that explains the calls and the no calls and review overturns by the refs today, just like a few years back the 13 - 9 West Virginia game the big east did all they could do to help wvu win that game and a week or two later they tried the same with Rutgers, Would a notre dame win and playoff appearance bring the ACC lots of money,, "just wondering"

 

[UPitt '89]

Did you seriously just type 12-9? It's the most famous score in Pitt history..... 13-9, my friend.

 

[DruidTM]

Refs sucked...that's all

 

[paulbl99]

What refs did the Pitt, ND game today? We're they ACC refs? what is the affiliation between the ACC and ND? If ND gets in the playoffs does the ACC get any money because if the ACC does get money and they were ACC refs, that explains the calls and the no calls and review overturns by the refs today, just like a few years back the 12 - 9 West Virginia game the big east did all they could do to help wvu win that game and a week or two later they tried the same with Rutgers, Would a notre dame win and playoff appearance bring the ACC lots of money,, "just wondering"

Do the Irish get to take the ACC clowns , pardon, refs on the road.
They would do well..

 

[Cap pitt]

Did you seriously just type 12-9? It's the most famous score in Pitt history..... 13-9, my friend.

I know it was 13 - 9, I was typing this with a point about the bad officiating I witnessed today, not so much the score of that game

 

[Ara64]

Yes it was ACC officials, Yes your team was doing a lot of holding too, and no ND does not share it's bowl revenue nor does it get any shared bowl revenue from the ACC. What's yours is yours and we keep what we earn. Seriously, trying to defend Will Fuller with one defender?

 

[ncyajleel]

Dude, if you can't see that Notre Dame gets calls and so many other advantages that no one else does, then you are as delusional as PoSU fans. And I'm not talking about yesterday. I've watched many ND games, not only against Pitt, and it is so obvious that it's disgusting. Remember your championship run a couple of years ago. The phantom pass interference call? The two number 2's on the field at the same time that is somehow not reviewable. And it turned out one of the refs had a Guman-like relationship to Notre Dame. Furthermore, how is it that one team can still be in the playoff picture without being in a conference? Every other team has to be in one. If the NCAA had any balls, they would make you join one just like every other team. But we see how tough the NCAA is because of the PoSU scandal. I really don't even know why they exist.

Yes it was ACC officials, Yes your team was doing a lot of holding too, and no ND does not share it's bowl revenue nor does it get any shared bowl revenue from the ACC. What's yours is yours and we keep what we earn. Seriously, trying to defend Will Fuller with one defender?

 

[tommika]

Dude, if you can't see that Notre Dame gets calls and so many other advantages that no one else does, then you are as delusional as PoSU fans. And I'm not talking about yesterday. I've watched many ND games, not only against Pitt, and it is so obvious that it's disgusting. Remember your championship run a couple of years ago. The phantom pass interference call? The two number 2's on the field at the same time that is somehow not reviewable. And it turned out one of the refs had a Guman-like relationship to Notre Dame. Furthermore, how is it that one team can still be in the playoff picture without being in a conference? Every other team has to be in one. If the NCAA had any balls, they would make you join one just like every other team. But we see how tough the NCAA is because of the PoSU scandal. I really don't even know why they exist.

Furthermore, how is it that one team can still be in the playoff picture without being in a conference? Every other team has to be in one.

Not true, all Independent teams ,including N.D. had to meet the same criteria to get into the old BCS format playoff and the new 4 team finalists are determined by a committee. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

ND shop lifted the pootie!

 

[VAPITTALUM]

ND plays an excellent schedule every year, receiving every team's best shot. If they win out, and beat another solid team in Stanford, they absolutely deserve to be in the playoffs.

Sure, the refs should have made some obvious PI calls on the Ford play, as well as the Boyd pass. At the end of the day, ND made plays and PITT didn't. PITT never quit in this game, even with the bad calls and unusual drops by Boyd, Holtz, etc. Recovering the onside kick would have made this game very interesting.

Move on and get ready to pound Duke!

 

[ncyajleel]

Yes. I know that part. But its my belief that these independent teams, which only Notre Dame is valid at this point, are one of the reasons that the national championship is still for the most part decided by a committee. Take OSU for instance. Yes they won the games once they were in the playoffs, but they should have never even been there. The committee put them there. If these independent teams were forced to join a conference, then the conference champions would be the ones to make the playoffs, and a group or committee wouldn't have to put the teams in the position to win a national title. Win your conference, let the conference champions battle it out and let THAT decide the national champion. Why polls and committees help decide this in a sport that is set up for teams to play one another is beyond me.

I believe it is Notre Dame that keeps this from happening. I'm sure the SEC has something to do with it too. The NCAA could make this happen, but they are spineless.

Furthermore, how is it that one team can still be in the playoff picture without being in a conference? Every other team has to be in one.

Not true, all Independent teams ,including N.D. had to meet the same criteria to get into the old BCS format playoff and the new 4 team finalists are determined by a committee. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Yes. I know that part. But its my belief that these independent teams, which only Notre Dame is valid at this point, are one of the reasons that the national championship is still for the most part decided by a committee. Take OSU for instance. Yes they won the games once they were in the playoffs, but they should have never even been there. The committee put them there. If these independent teams were forced to join a conference, then the conference champions would be the ones to make the playoffs, and a group or committee wouldn't have to put the teams in the position to win a national title. Win your conference, let the conference champions battle it out and let THAT decide the national champion. Why polls and committees help decide this in a sport that is set up for teams to play one another is beyond me.

I believe it is Notre Dame that keeps this from happening. I'm sure the SEC has something to do with it too. The NCAA could make this happen, but they are spineless.

In theory, that sounds great. However, there are still 5 conferences. Even if they all had championship games, someone is still left out (if you take the independent out of the equation). A committee is always going to be required, which means bias is always a potentially hot topic.

 

[TheDecker]

Yes. I know that part. But its my belief that these independent teams, which only Notre Dame is valid at this point, are one of the reasons that the national championship is still for the most part decided by a committee. Take OSU for instance. Yes they won the games once they were in the playoffs, but they should have never even been there. The committee put them there. If these independent teams were forced to join a conference, then the conference champions would be the ones to make the playoffs, and a group or committee wouldn't have to put the teams in the position to win a national title. Win your conference, let the conference champions battle it out and let THAT decide the national champion. Why polls and committees help decide this in a sport that is set up for teams to play one another is beyond me.

I believe it is Notre Dame that keeps this from happening. I'm sure the SEC has something to do with it too. The NCAA could make this happen, but they are spineless.

If you really believe that, then you're very foolish

Most conferences don't want that setup either, as they want the chance to have 2 representatives in the playoffs (especially the SEC)

Additionally, there are 12+ conferences. So you're, just win your conference and go tithe playoffs, model wouldn't work well.

It's the sheer number if teams allowed to participate in CFB that cause the need for these systems/committees

 

[Pittx9]

You people need to wake up. Jaleel is right almost every topic he speaks of, this being one I don't even know how you can argue with him. Notre Dame bullies the NCAA into getting what they want, and the NCAA gladly obliges.

 

[ncyajleel]

Well if you believe that the you are also foolish. So these committees must be foolproof then? Ok, so how is it that North Carolina is not ranked yet? I'm sure they will be now, but they have one loss. Yet they are not in the top 25 as of now. But there is Alabama, Notre Dame, Florida, Stanford, Utah, Florida St. and Temple all also with one loss.

Then there is Michigan, Northwestern, and UCLA who are all 6-2 and all ranked ahead of UNC. Now you can argue that the ACC is the weaker than the Big10, Big12, SEC and PAC but that argument is a joke because it is based on perception.

I realize there are a lot of other conferences, but the NCAA needs to work that out and the large number of conferences are not the reason they cannot have conference champions play for the title. The NCAA has no problem bullying the MACs and WACs, they would make them ineligible in a heartbeat. These conferences get no consideration anyway because you have Memphis, Houston, and Toledo (though they lost yesterday) who were all undefeated but not even close to getting into the playoffs, like they ever would anyway. Though the NCAA has no problem standing up to the MAC, WAC and whatever small conference, they are cowards when it comes to Notre Dame, the Big10, and SEC. It is all about money and perception and nothing else.

If you really believe that, then you're very foolish

Most conferences don't want that setup either, as they want the chance to have 2 representatives in the playoffs (especially the SEC)

Additionally, there are 12+ conferences. So you're, just win your conference and go tithe playoffs, model wouldn't work well.

It's the sheer number if teams allowed to participate in CFB that cause the need for these systems/committees

 

[Pittx9]

Well if you believe that the you are also foolish. So these committees must be foolproof then? Ok, so how is it that North Carolina is not ranked yet? I'm sure they will be now, but they have one loss. Yet they are not in the top 25 as of now. But there is Alabama, Notre Dame, Florida, Stanford, Utah, Florida St. and Temple all also with one loss.

Then there is Michigan, Northwestern, and UCLA who are all 6-2 and all ranked ahead of UNC. Now you can argue that the ACC is the weaker than the Big10, Big12, SEC and PAC but that argument is a joke because it is based on perception.

Not to mention until their first loss, the almighty Toledo Rockets were ranked. Lol you can not tell me a 7-0 Toledo team that has struggled against the absolute pits of college fotball was ever better than Carolina. I'll say it again, way, way too much love for the G5 teams in the polls.

 

[TheDecker]

Well if you believe that the you are also foolish. So these committees must be foolproof then? Ok, so how is it that North Carolina is not ranked yet? I'm sure they will be now, but they have one loss. Yet they are not in the top 25 as of now. But there is Alabama, Notre Dame, Florida, Stanford, Utah, Florida St. and Temple all also with one loss.

Then there is Michigan, Northwestern, and UCLA who are all 6-2 and all ranked ahead of UNC. Now you can argue that the ACC is the weaker than the Big10, Big12, SEC and PAC but that argument is a joke because it is based on perception.

I realize there are a lot of other conferences, but the NCAA needs to work that out and the large number of conferences are not the reason they cannot have conference champions play for the title. The NCAA has no problem bullying the MACs and WACs, they would make them ineligible in a heartbeat. These conferences get no consideration anyway because you have Memphis, Houston, and Toledo (though they lost yesterday) who were all undefeated but not even close to getting into the playoffs, like they ever would anyway. Though the NCAA has no problem standing up to the MAC, WAC and whatever small conference, they are cowards when it comes to Notre Dame, the Big10, and SEC. It is all about money and perception and nothing else.

1. UNC lost to a terrible South Caroljna team and didn't have any really good wins, thus they weren't ranked

2. You can't have a system that actually bars the small schools from competing, it's actually illegal. Small schools have already tried suing the NCAA about this issue, and if the NCAA did what you're suggesting then the sml schools would sue again and win

Again, the issue causing the playoff committee, BCS, polls, etc. Is all abkut the number of teams allowed to compete in CFB

 

[Pittx9]

2. You can't have a system that actually bars the small schools from competing, it's actually illegal. Small schools have already tried suing the NCAA about this issue, and if the NCAA did what you're suggesting then the sml schools would sue again and win

There are good small schools. Temple and Houston are really good teams. Toledo though, anyone who watched a minute of their games could tell they are nowhere near a top 25 team. Memphis deserved it at one point, but they are pretty overrated too. Actually interested to see what happens with Memphis. They may drop out all together, or may just fall to about 23-25.

 

[ncyajleel]

And if that same Toledo team was the only undefeated team at the end of the season, does anyone really think they would even get close to the playoffs? It has nothing to do with the large number of conferences. It's Notre Dame not having to join one. And as long as they don't have to, they along with the SEC and Big10 will always rule. Take polls, committees, perception and money out of it and let the damn teams decide the title every year.

How many teams in the past have missed out on a title because of this?

Not to mention until their first loss, the almighty Toledo Rockets were ranked. Lol you can not tell me a 7-0 Toledo team that has struggled against the absolute pits of college fotball was ever better than Carolina. I'll say it again, way, way too much love for the G5 teams in the polls.

 

[Pittx9]

And if that same Toledo team was the only undefeated team at the end of the season, does anyone really think they would even get close to the playoffs? It has nothing to do with the large number of conferences. It's Notre Dame not having to join one. And as long as they don't have to, they along with the SEC and Big10 will always rule. Take polls, committees, perception and money out of it and let the damn teams decide the title every year.

How many teams in the past have missed out on a title because of this?

Very well said. Hit every nail on the head as to the many problems with the NCAA. Speaking of Notre Dame and a conference... what a joke that ND seriously said Pitt ruined the Big East. No, Pitt left the Big East because Notre Dame sat by and let it crumble. Notre Dame as an independent is the worst thing ever for college football.

 

[ncyajleel]

1. UNC lost to a terrible South Caroljna team and didn't have any really good wins, thus they weren't ranked.
Ohio State lost to a 6 win Va Tech team last year who was unranked at the time, then suddenly ranked for beating OSU. Why was OSU in the top 5? Because of the previous year? Perception? Money? So if the polls are based on these things, what good are they?


2. You can't have a system that actually bars the small schools from competing, it's actually illegal. Small schools have already tried suing the NCAA about this issue, and if the NCAA did what you're suggesting then the sml schools would sue again and win
Isn't that what the NCAA is doing now? Do you honestly think an undefeated Memphis, Toledo, Temple, Houston or any other school like that will get into a four team playoff with a one loss Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame? I understand they are going on strength of schedule, but committees should not be making decisions that should be made on a football field.

And basically you are just making my point. The small schools sue, they get thrown a small useless bone, and they still don't get anything. Then this same NCAA cowers to Notre Dame, SEC, Big Ten.

1. UNC lost to a terrible South Caroljna team and didn't have any really good wins, thus they weren't ranked

2. You can't have a system that actually bars the small schools from competing, it's actually illegal. Small schools have already tried suing the NCAA about this issue, and if the NCAA did what you're suggesting then the sml schools would sue again and win

Again, the issue causing the playoff committee, BCS, polls, etc. Is all abkut the number of teams allowed to compete in CFB

 

[ncyajleel]

Yeah, I know. That's the hardest part of this. But there has to be a way to get those 5 conference champions in the playoffs. Maybe a wild card or something, I don't know. And I know people say that is where ND would come in, but come on, there are three independent teams I believe. Notre Dame could be in any conference they want to join, so make them join one. It's a team sport that is decided on the playing field, so take perception, greed, and committees out of this and let the teams decide! And the ONLY reason there is not a resolution is BECAUSE of perception and greed, incidentally the same two things that let a pedophile predator run on Penn State's campus for 30 plus years. See the trend? Because of money and perception and greed, we are not able to do the right thing. You would think people would learn one day.

In theory, that sounds great. However, there are still 5 conferences. Even if they all had championship games, someone is still left out (if you take the independent out of the equation). A committee is always going to be required, which means bias is always a potentially hot topic.

 

[Pittx9]

But there has to be a way to get those 5 conference champions in the playoffs.

Yes, yes, yes. 100% agree. Get all 5 teams in should be a must. Then Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference or you know what, you're never going to the playoffs. It should be reserved only for conference champions.

 

[tommika]

Yes, yes, yes. 100% agree. Get all 5 teams in should be a must. Then Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference or you know what, you're never going to the playoffs. It should be reserved only for conference champions.

So a Conference champion with two losses should get in over a an Independent with no losses,and with a stronger SOS as well ?
Any team,repeat,any team, that could go Independent,be profitable and keep the cash would do so in a heartbeat. Texas wanted to but their Longhorn network didn't work out as planned. Boston College,FSU and Georgia Tech were all Independents,so were Miami, Penn State, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia Tech and Syracuse.

Why not now ? Dollars needed to cover the cost of big time football.

 

[Pittx9]

So a Conference champion with two losses should get in over a an Independent with no losses,and with a stronger SOS as well ?
Any team,repeat,any team, that could go Independent,be profitable and keep the cash would do so in a heartbeat. Texas wanted to but their Longhorn network didn't work out as planned. Boston College,FSU and Georgia Tech were all Independents,so were Miami, Penn State, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia Tech and Syracuse.

Why not now ? Dollars needed to cover the cost of big time football.

No they shouldn't. But Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference and then get the conference champions in the playoffs. As it is now, Notre Dame clearly deserves to be in if they keep it up. But being an independent benefits Notre Dame and Notre Dame only. It is not good for college football and needs to be changed.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The NCAA could make this happen, but they are spineless.

"The NCAA" is simply the will of the schools, enacted by voting on matters that the schools bring up. If the schools wanted the playoff system set up so that only conference champions were eligible for the playoffs, then the schools could have done that. There would have been nothing "the NCAA" could have done about it. "The NCAA" enforces the rules that the schools agree to by vote. "The NCAA" does not make up and enforce rules on the schools that a majority of the schools do not agree to. Not now, not ever.

"The NCAA" could no more unilaterally decide that schools had to play in a conference to be eligible to make the playoff than they could unilaterally decide that Pitt and Penn State had to schedule a game against each other every year, or that holding was going to be a 15 yard penalty instead of 10 yards, or that schools were limited to 70 scholarships for football instead of 85, or any other matter or any importance for that matter.

 

[Pittx9]

"The NCAA" is simply the will of the schools, enacted by voting on matters that the schools bring up. If the schools wanted the playoff system set up so that only conference champions were eligible for the playoffs, then the schools could have done that. There would have been nothing "the NCAA" could have done about it. "The NCAA" enforces the rules that the schools agree to by vote. "The NCAA" does not make up and enforce rules on the schools that a majority of the schools do not agree to. Not now, not ever.

"The NCAA" could no more unilaterally decide that schools had to play in a conference to be eligible to make the playoff than they could unilaterally decide that Pitt and Penn State had to schedule a game against each other every year, or that holding was going to be a 15 yard penalty instead of 10 yards, or that schools were limited to 70 scholarships for football instead of 85, or any other matter or any importance for that matter.

Exactly right. Which makes this even worse. What does Notre Dame as an independent do for the teams of college football other than hurt? It helps absolutely nobody except Notre Dame.

 

[3daughters]

Notre Dame hurts college football teams? Moronic statement

 

[Pittx9]

Notre Dame hurts college football teams? Moronic statement

Explain how they help. They get every benefit of being in a conference, potentially take away a bowl bid from the ACC when they're not in the conference, and do nothing to help anyone other than the actual NCAA by bringing in money. You're obviously a blind Domer.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Yes it was ACC officials, Yes your team was doing a lot of holding too, and no ND does not share it's bowl revenue nor does it get any shared bowl revenue from the ACC. What's yours is yours and we keep what we earn. Seriously, trying to defend Will Fuller with one defender?

You are correct on some points and I congratulate ND win and they earned it and are a Top Ten Team.

However, Part Right and Thus Half Bright On Bowl Aspects!!
Starting in the 2014 season -- and coinciding with the new college football playoff -- Notre Dame could step over an ACC team and take its place in one of the non-BCS bowls if its record is better than, equal to or within one win of the ACC team or ranked higher in the BCS standings. Notre Dame would share in the revenues if selected to any of those bowls, and get an expenses allowance. If Notre Dame is picked for a BCS game, it would keep its revenues from that appearance.

The highest-ranked available team from Notre Dame, the Big Ten team or the SEC will face the ACC champion in the Orange Bowl starting Jan. 1, 2015. The Big Ten and SEC teams must appear at least three times each during the 12-year life of the deal, while Notre Dame can appear in the game a maximum of only two times. There is no minimum number of requirements by Notre Dame.

In years when the ACC champion or another ACC team qualifies for the four-team national semifinals, then the next highest-ranked ACC team would play in the Orange Bowl.

When the Orange Bowl hosts the national semifinals, the ACC champion and the highest-ranked available team from Notre Dame, the Big Ten or the SEC will be placed in an access bowl instead.

http://espn.go.com/blog/notre-dame-football/post/_/id/14424/clarifying-the-acc-arrangement

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Notre Dame hurts college football teams? Moronic statement

Agree, ACC now gets the benefit of playing ND 5 Times a year, and Pitt yesterday set a Stadium record on Attendance History! This helps CFB not hurt it!

The Big Ten badly wants ND and that shows it is good for CFB and why the ACC had ND in All Sports except Football & Hockey! Maybe one day ND will join a Conference but not today?

 

[Pittx9]

Agree, ACC now gets the benefit of playing ND 5 Times a year, and Pitt yesterday set a Stadium record on Attendance History! This helps CFB not hurt it!

That does help, but allowing them to be an independent most definitely hurts. All these points would be helped even more if Notre Dame actually was in the ACC.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

That does help, but allowing them to be an independent most definitely hurts. All these points would be helped even more if Notre Dame actually was in the ACC.

One Team at a time, and time will come for a For Profit League and ND will join a Conference!

 

[tommika]

No they shouldn't. But Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference and then get the conference champions in the playoffs. As it is now, Notre Dame clearly deserves to be in if they keep it up. But being an independent benefits Notre Dame and Notre Dame only. It is not good for college football and needs to be changed.

Do all Independents have to join or just the Irish ?
It benefits N.D. only ? --- 68,400 Listed attendance for the game, the highest total for a Pitt Panthers home game in Heinz Field since its opening in 2001 and the highest for a Pitt game since the last time N.D.came to town.
It is not good for College football ? So all 126 teams are badly hurt and only N.D. prospers ?
Every team increases seat prices for the N.D. visit, and they also frequently force their own fans to buy unwanted tickets to games that don't draw in order to get N.D. game tickets. The Irish do not increase ticket prices for their home games no matter who comes to South Bend.

It all goes back to teams that envy the Irish for drawing all over the country and selling out every game. As mentioned, any team that could do it most definitely would. Think about it, a group of schools combine so they can split the money if any of them make a good Bowl game. Socialism anyone ?
N.D. lives and dies on its own merit. The powers that be,that you think bends over backwards for N.D. even stopped paying them the full winners share of the Bowl Game and gives them instead the amount a Conference team would take home, Socialism anyone ?

 

[ncyajleel]

Wow. Some of you just cannot grasp the big picture. I understand what everything is and how everything works. I also understand how much money the bowls and march madness bring in and that is why they do not want to fix it. If everyone is happy with this current arrangement of how it works, then fine. So why is there so much bitching and complaining on the message boards about how unfair everything is?

It's a good thing the American Revolution happened when it did, because in today's world we would just sit back and take it because that's the way things are so why change it for the better?

 

[TerryD44]

Dude, if you can't see that Notre Dame gets calls and so many other advantages that no one else does, then you are as delusional as PoSU fans. And I'm not talking about yesterday. I've watched many ND games, not only against Pitt, and it is so obvious that it's disgusting. Remember your championship run a couple of years ago. The phantom pass interference call? The two number 2's on the field at the same time that is somehow not reviewable. And it turned out one of the refs had a Guman-like relationship to Notre Dame. Furthermore, how is it that one team can still be in the playoff picture without being in a conference? Every other team has to be in one. If the NCAA had any balls, they would make you join one just like every other team. But we see how tough the NCAA is because of the PoSU scandal. I really don't even know why they exist.

The "NCAA" has nothing to do with the playoffs. The playoffs are owned by the conferences and...ND.

In fact, the power conferences selected Jack Swarbrick, ND's AD, to go to the podium to announce the playoff structure.

Why? Because ND in the playoffs makes everyone money. The conferences don't care if ND is an independent, that only matters to opposing fans on message boards.

The Big Ten doesn't want to push ND into the ACC and visa versa. The conferences prefer ND to be independent than not join their conference but rather join and help enrich another conference.

 

[TerryD44]

Yes. I know that part. But its my belief that these independent teams, which only Notre Dame is valid at this point, are one of the reasons that the national championship is still for the most part decided by a committee. Take OSU for instance. Yes they won the games once they were in the playoffs, but they should have never even been there. The committee put them there. If these independent teams were forced to join a conference, then the conference champions would be the ones to make the playoffs, and a group or committee wouldn't have to put the teams in the position to win a national title. Win your conference, let the conference champions battle it out and let THAT decide the national champion. Why polls and committees help decide this in a sport that is set up for teams to play one another is beyond me.

I believe it is Notre Dame that keeps this from happening. I'm sure the SEC has something to do with it too. The NCAA could make this happen, but they are spineless.

No conference wants a "conference champs only" format. They all voted and declined that option. Conferences like the Big Ten and SEC want to get more than one team in the playoffs.

 

[TerryD44]

No they shouldn't. But Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference and then get the conference champions in the playoffs. As it is now, Notre Dame clearly deserves to be in if they keep it up. But being an independent benefits Notre Dame and Notre Dame only. It is not good for college football and needs to be changed.

An interesting concept. Forcing a school to join a voluntary organization......

 

[TheDecker]

This whole thread displays a complete, 100%, misunderstanding of the goal of the NCAA, it's actual power (it has almost none), the goal and nature of conferences (they're voluntary), the challenges of CFB v. The NFL (volume of teams and vast differences in SOS), and so much more

It's not the goal of ND football to help others schools, like any other company, it's goal is to improve itself and forward it's own ends

If they ever deal with the sheer volume of teams issues in CFB, then there would be a meaningful discussion about requiring any team to be a part of whatever new conferences would result in orde to be a part of that new championship

Right now, this is all just sour grapes

 

[Cap pitt]

An interesting concept. Forcing a school to join a voluntary organization......

The ND football team makes tons of money on their own with their tv contracts and the basketball program doesn't that's why the football team is on its own and the basketball and other ND sports are in the ACC, to lock on to money from other teams in the ACC conference they are money hungry, it's all about the $$$$$$