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Notre Dame and the ACC
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Not saying Notre Dame personally should care. I'm just saying there's no way anyone can be serious and say them as an independent is good for college football. It's only good for Notre Dame. Overall they're pretty selfish, but really if given the opportunity why not do what they do? Hence why I basically have to use the term "force them to join a conference."
So are conferences....the most money hungry thing in sports. Hence, realignment. So???
ND would make a lot more money being in the Big Ten than being an independent in football. It is not all about the money.
Really? Why doesn't the football team join the ACC? Would they be able to keep their millions of dollars tv contracts if they were in a conference? Don't think so, the NCAA should put an end to that. And the ACC should tell them either get the football program in or the get the other athletic programs out.
Here is a question, and please try to answer objectively.. Does Notre Dame football joining a conference, decrease their attractiveness or image? one thing about notre dame and it annoys me to even say it, but they are a national program, they appeal to fans across the country, good or bad, they get an emotional reaction from all college football fans from Oregon to florida, maine to So Cal.. If you put them in a regional conference, does the shine on the dome tarnish (poetic if I may say so)?
Why should they have to join a conference? Outside of jealousy, why do fans think they should not be allowed to get tv money or be independent? If you were an ND fan or their AD, would you not do anything to stay independent? I sure as hell would.
Why should they have to join a conference? Outside of jealousy, why do fans think they should not be allowed to get tv money or be independent? If you were an ND fan or their AD, would you not do anything to stay independent? I sure as hell would.
The people with the real power are the playoff committee. If it were to become obvious that Notre Dame will not make the CFB without a conference title, they'd join someone in one second. As long as they get to play by their own rules and get ranked highly, they are smart to continue doing so.
As someone else said, no other conference is going to vote against ND because they either hope ND will join their league, or they have teams in their league that they want to continue playing regularly (UM, USC, etc). Those teams in the B1G are already screwed out of most of their games because of the ACC. Clearly that alliance meant more money for ACC teams than turning it down (which is the same reason the Big East did it).
Honestly to me it doesn't matter one way or the other. I have no jealousy or ill feelings towards them or their fans. I just think the national title should be decided on the field and for the most part, it is. I would just like to see polls, committees and perception become less of factor and I think Notre Dame is one of the things that keeps it from happening. Obviously I don't know much about it and I'm not going to pretend I do, but that's just how it looks. Let the kids decide the national champion, not men in suits.
My main problem with ND as independent even more so than it only helping them, is their arrogance and stupidity. The athletic director or whoever it was really said Pitt leaving ruined the Big East and actually thinks he's a decent human being. The Big East fell apart because Notre Dame had a stranglehold on them and if they would've joined the conference it would still be here and be one of the best conferences in every sport.
I remember that. Did we ruin the Big East, or their nest egg? You saw how quick they joined the ACC after Pitt did.
It isn't ND's job to save the big East though.. No matter how much you hate them, their affiliation with Big East helped the conference, it did not hurt it. The big east had the gator bowl because of nd, without them, the bowl lineup would have been much worse. I am not an ND fan, at all, but a lot of these conference comments are ridiculous. The NCAA should have no say in who joins a conference.. If they want to be independent then they should be allowed. It's really that simple. Should army be forced to join, BYU??
Not saying they shouldn't be allowed. But them counting as a Big East team towards the bowls, taking away a bowl spot from a Big East team, but not being in the conference hurt the Big East badly. They undoubtedly hurt the conference.
I strongly disagree.. Many of those bowls wanted no parts of the big east without having a crack at getting ND..
That you are right about. Which is why I have said Notre Dame bullied the Big East and held them hostage basically. It just is not good for a team not in your conference to have most of the power in said conference.
cant disagree.. Honestly, I think the ACC is strong enough to be without any ND affiliation, big east was desperate.. ACC comes off as desperate when I really think they don't need to be.. ACC can tell them all or nothing and if ND walks, acc will be fine. Big east didn't have that luxury..
Agree. Very good assessment on both situations. Notre Dame is still why the Big East fell apart, they didn't have any reason to save it, but calling out Pitt is comical. The ACC though, should definitely tell them to take a hike. I'm sure Pitt and ND would still schedule each other a good bit I would think.
There should be a uniform policy through out the NCAA, there is no way they should be able to take a bowl spot away from a bonified ACC all sport team just because they are ND, it seems like they can have their cake and eat it too, let's take the pin stripe bowl for example, does the ACC make more money if ND was in it, then it will if Pitt was in it?
well I am not necessarily disagreeing with you but it's not like this agreement is done behind the ACC's back. The acc knows this, agreed to it.. Why would they do this? Obviously because they are gaining something out of the affilation. Be critical of the ACC allowing it
That's what I've been trying to say. Picking the right words is not my strength. Nobody should be forced to join, but they shouldn't be allowed to have it all both ways.
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Their basketball team does need a conference to be relevant I think, so collude with the other conferences to screw up their basketball program by not letting them in your conference and not scheduling them at all, unless they join for all sports. If they want to be independent in football then their most logical basketball home might be the Big East, the conference mostly for Catholic schools or independents that don't play D1 football.
The ACC took ND's other sports as a long-term bet on them eventually joining a football conference. It is way easier for ND to move their football team into a conference every other sport has been in for 5+ years than to move everyone over to the B1G.
That will either end up being a smart move or not. All they need is a high profile snub like the B12 got last year and their fans will start changing their minds about independence.
That will either end up being a smart move or not. All they need is a high profile snub like the B12 got last year and their fans will start changing their minds about independence.
That is exactly why the ACC allows ND to get away with this. They're independent in football, but Notre Dame is a member of the ACC. If Notre Dame ever wanted to go somewhere else in football, they would still have to leave the ACC altogether and the ACC would profit from that. So the ACC allows this for that reason and hoping if Notre Dame joins a conference in football they just stay with the ACC. Notre Dame needs a conference in basketball and goes the logical route to the ACC, but under the circumstance they remain independent in football the same way as in the Big East years.
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