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With NC State’s loss to Kentucky in the Gator Bowl, the ACC is now 0-4 in bowl games this season.

- Miami: lost to OK State in Cheez-It Bowl
- Wake Forest: lost to Wisconsin in Mayo Bowl
- Clemson: loss to Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
- NC State: loss to Kentucky in Gator Bowl

If you really wanted to, you could also count Notre Dame’s loss to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. The conference’s last chance at a win is UNC beating Texas A&M in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I’m not a huge conference honk so this type of stuff doesn’t concern me, but thoughts on this? Where would you rank the ACC among other P5 conferences at this point?
 
HailToPitt725 said:
With NC State’s loss to Kentucky in the Gator Bowl, the ACC is now 0-4 in bowl games this season.

- Miami: lost to OK State in Cheez-It Bowl
- Wake Forest: lost to Wisconsin in Mayo Bowl
- Clemson: loss to Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
- NC State: loss to Kentucky in Gator Bowl

If you really wanted to, you could also count Notre Dame’s loss to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. The conference’s last chance at a win is UNC beating Texas A&M in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I’m not a huge conference honk so this type of stuff doesn’t concern me, but thoughts on this? Where would you rank the ACC among other P5 conferences at this point?
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It doesn't matter. ND is something like 0-10 in playoff games and Big 6 biel games.
 
If we are going to critique other conferences when they have lousy bowl seasons then the ACC is certainly open to scrutiny as well. Most troublesome is the fact that in the only 2 bowl games that weren’t glorified exhibitions the ACC got absolutely smoked with neither Clemson or Notre Dame being even competitive.
 
Nobody ever thought the ACC was good outside of Clemson and ND. And outside of Clemson and ND the ACC’s bowl record means jack shit. They’re glorified exhibitions, half the teams show up with only half of their actual team, and teams played in bowl games this year that had no business being there.

Even in a normal season these conferences’ bowl records are completely blown out of proportion. Your conference can win all their bowl games and it still means nothing. What your teams did against quality OOC opponents in the regular season even is a far better indicator of how good your conference is.
 
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HailToPitt725 said:
With NC State’s loss to Kentucky in the Gator Bowl, the ACC is now 0-4 in bowl games this season.

- Miami: lost to OK State in Cheez-It Bowl
- Wake Forest: lost to Wisconsin in Mayo Bowl
- Clemson: loss to Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
- NC State: loss to Kentucky in Gator Bowl

If you really wanted to, you could also count Notre Dame’s loss to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. The conference’s last chance at a win is UNC beating Texas A&M in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I’m not a huge conference honk so this type of stuff doesn’t concern me, but thoughts on this? Where would you rank the ACC among other P5 conferences at this point?
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I am a Tarheel fan tonite...
 
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HailToPitt725 said:
With NC State’s loss to Kentucky in the Gator Bowl, the ACC is now 0-4 in bowl games this season.

- Miami: lost to OK State in Cheez-It Bowl
- Wake Forest: lost to Wisconsin in Mayo Bowl
- Clemson: loss to Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
- NC State: loss to Kentucky in Gator Bowl

If you really wanted to, you could also count Notre Dame’s loss to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. The conference’s last chance at a win is UNC beating Texas A&M in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I’m not a huge conference honk so this type of stuff doesn’t concern me, but thoughts on this? Where would you rank the ACC among other P5 conferences at this point?
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ACC Coastal is TRASH, the best looking female in the group is a 4, worse than the old BIG EAST
 
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WannyandWalt said:
It's sucked bad as well but not even sure ACC COASTAL bad
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To be honest, I think it was about the same level as the current ACC Coastal, give or take. My theory behind it has been that there were one or two above average/good teams each season that would inflate their record by beating up on the rest of the conference. It’s similar to how Coastal Carolina, Louisiana, etc. were ranked this year.
 
Well Pitt didn't lose a bowl game this year and is 1-0 in post-season over the last two years. And we also didn't lose to Duke at Cameron last week!
 
I don’t think this year’s bowl games mean anything as far as conference strength. Too many teams have passed on bowls and some teams that have played are missing key players.

You have teams like Mississippi State with a 3-7 record playing in a bowl game. Every SEC team except Vanderbilt was supposed to play in a bowl game, although 4 of them later opted out for Covid-related reasons.

Then, you have UNC playing tonight missing both of its RBs, both 1,000 yard plus rushers. Win or lose proves nothing.

Other than the playoff games, there never has been a series of games as meaningless as these.
 
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TheSpecialSauce said:
There is very little difference between Big 12 and ACC football, and the PAC 12 was the worst football conference this year. The SEC is the clear number one football conference.
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Acc isn’t even in the same conversation with big 12 in football and especially hoops.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I have been saying the old Big East was better than the Coastal and people thought I was crazy. I don't even think its close. That old Big East with RichRod, Schiano, Kelly, Edsall, and Wanny was a heck of a league
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Yeah, just look at that murder's row of coaches. The first one on your list moved on to Michigan, was awful there (6-18 in conference) and got fired, moved on to Arizona where he was also awful (24-30 in conference games) and is now the coach at, ah, well, nowhere. But there are rumors out there that he might get hired as an assistant at Louisiana-Monroe.

The second guy parlayed his Big East job into a stint in the NFL, where I think it is fair to say he was a disaster. After being an assistant for a while he finds himself right back to where he started. And his 3-6 record this year was right in line with his historical conference winning percentage, so there is that.

The the third guy, now there is someone that actually took a step up from that conference. Good for him.

The fourth guy on your list went to Maryland where he was awful (22-34 overall, 10-24 in conference) and got fired. He pulled the ol' Back to the Future gig and went back to UConn, where so far he has gone 6-30 overall, 2-22 in conference.

And of course our old pal Wanny. No need to get into that again, other than to point out that no one has even considered him for a head coaching job in the decade since he has left here.

I mean seriously, you are using as a point in your favor the fact that the Big East was filled with coaches who (with the exception of Brian Kelly) have been exposed as being awful head coaches when they got away from the dregs of P5 football that was the Big East? The fact that those four losers actually had some success in the Big East tells you everything you need to know about the quality of that league. Those guys weren't the tallest, ah, little person in the room. They were the tallest of the group of the shortest little people in the room.
 
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mike412 said:
I don’t think this year’s bowl games mean anything as far as conference strength. Too many teams have passed on bowls and some teams that have played are missing key players.

You have teams like Mississippi State with a 3-7 record playing in a bowl game. Every SEC team except Vanderbilt was supposed to play in a bowl game, although 4 of them later opted out for Covid-related reasons.

Then, you have UNC playing tonight missing both of its RBs, both 1,000 yard plus rushers. Win or lose proves nothing.

Other than the playoff games, there never has been a series of games as meaningless as these.
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This. This year is just weird overall.

0 for is disappointing though. But I dont think the gaps are that big imo.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
Acc isn’t even in the same conversation with big 12 in football and especially hoops.
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If you are talking over the long term, then the ACC is clearly better. I assume you are talking about this year, so here is the breakdown.

1) At the top - Clemson and Oklahoma are equivalent, and ND is just as good or better than Iowa St.

2) WVU, K. State, TCU, Texas Tech - Mediocre

3) Baylor - Bad

4) Kansas - Worst P5 school

5) Texas - they are so good that they fired their coach

6) The Sun Belt whipped up on them early in the year.
 
TheSpecialSauce said:
1) At the top - Clemson and Oklahoma are equivalent, and ND is just as good or better than Iowa St.
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I would even take it one step further, OU is not equivalent to Clemson at all. Their last natty was 20 years ago. They’re one of the top programs in America, Clemson is one of 2-3 dominant programs.
 
Long term id give it to the big xii. But I'd don't think there is some huge gap. The issue with the acc is the top schools have not been good at the same time. Vt was good for a while and then feel off when fsu jumped up. Then fsu crapped the bed when Clemson rose up.
 
Pittx9 said:
I would even take it one step further, OU is not equivalent to Clemson at all. Their last natty was 20 years ago. They’re one of the top programs in America, Clemson is one of 2-3 dominant programs.
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I was just referring to this year because I included ND. Clemson has clearly been better over the last 10 years.
 
ThePanthers said:
Long term id give it to the big xii. But I'd don't think there is some huge gap. The issue with the acc is the top schools have not been good at the same time. Vt was good for a while and then feel off when fsu jumped up. Then fsu crapped the bed when Clemson rose up.
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The Big 12 hasn’t won a title over the last 15 years. Oklahoma is the only elite program and it contains Kansas who is the worst P5 program. If you want to go even further back, then the gap only gets wider because Miami was the best overall program from 1982-2002. What makes the Big 12 better over the long term?
 
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HailToPitt725 said:
With NC State’s loss to Kentucky in the Gator Bowl, the ACC is now 0-4 in bowl games this season.

- Miami: lost to OK State in Cheez-It Bowl
- Wake Forest: lost to Wisconsin in Mayo Bowl
- Clemson: loss to Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
- NC State: loss to Kentucky in Gator Bowl

If you really wanted to, you could also count Notre Dame’s loss to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. The conference’s last chance at a win is UNC beating Texas A&M in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I’m not a huge conference honk so this type of stuff doesn’t concern me, but thoughts on this? Where would you rank the ACC among other P5 conferences at this point?
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Dead last. I'm not sure the ACC is better than the AAC,
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
Acc isn’t even in the same conversation with big 12 in football and especially hoops.
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You're kind of on a roll with disparaging the ACC, specifically hoops. Not judging, but you do understand PITT is in the ACC, so all you're doing is diminishing any results.

Cool, just not sure why?
 
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pitt-girl said:
You're kind of on a roll with disparaging the ACC, specifically hoops. Not judging, but you do understand PITT is in the ACC, so all you're doing is diminishing any results.

Cool, just not sure why?
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Giving my opinion. No ones opinion on here, including mine, is disparaging anything. Let’s not be over dramatic here.
 
TheSpecialSauce said:
There is very little difference between Big 12 and ACC football, and the PAC 12 was the worst football conference this year. The SEC is the clear number one football conference.
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The last time the Big 12 Conference won a National Championship in football was Texas in 2005.

The last time the Pac 12 Conference won a National Championship in football was USC in 2004.

The ACC Conference won the National Championship in football 3 times in the last 10 years.
Clemson (2018/2016) and Florida State (2013).

Its all relative.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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How many years the Big 10 was horrible in bowl games and this year especially during a pandemic the ACC is being called out? Lol
 
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