OT: Active shooter(s) on the loose after mass shooting in San Bernadino....
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Yeah - that's why Japan has such a problem with mass shootings.
What about the shootings on military bases?
So how come America has all the nut bags?
CORRECTION: So how come America has all the nut bags with guns.
Radical Muslim's and the NRA are two peas in a pod. One worships a God, the other worships a Gun.[/QUOTE]
Nice comparison A-hole. One wants to protect Americans and one wants to kill Americans and change the country that gives you the freedom to type stupid $hit like you do.
Nice comparison A-hole. One wants to protect Americans and one wants to kill Americans and change the country that gives you the freedom to type stupid $hit like you do.
Nice comparison A-hole. One wants to protect Americans and one wants to kill Americans and change the country that gives you the freedom to type stupid $hit like you do.[/QUOTE]
Protecting Americans by standing up for criminal and lunatics to own weapons? Having rally's at the site of mass murders? Give me a break, they get a sexual release from this stuff and you know it.
The gun worshipers are no better than Muslim Radicals. Like it or not, these incidents are good for business and they know.
Protecting Americans by standing up for criminal and lunatics to own weapons? Having rally's at the site of mass murders? Give me a break, they get a sexual release from this stuff and you know it.
The gun worshipers are no better than Muslim Radicals. Like it or not, these incidents are good for business and they know.[/QUOTE]
gun owners want to protect their rights, muslims want to take it.. you are right though, muslims acting like muslims are good for the gun business.. Sales spike when mohammed followers seek out the 72 virgins in the afterlife..
gun owners want to protect their rights, muslims want to take it.. you are right though, muslims acting like muslims are good for the gun business.. Sales spike when mohammed followers seek out the 72 virgins in the afterlife..[/QUOTE]
Sales also spike when a movie theater, high school or kindergarten is shot up. Just good' ol Americans, being Americans, I guess?
Luckily Radical Muslims don't own a large percentage of our elected officials, like the gun lobbyist do.
Makes you wonder how people in Japan and the UK live without fear in the absence of the NRA to protect them?
No one in this country needs the NRA for protection. We pay taxes so we can have police departments, sheriff departments, the army, navy, marines, coast guard, air force, CIA, FBI, DIA, NSA, ATF, US Marshalls, National Guard, Secret Service, ect.
Instead of tithing to the NRA, you'd be better off just donating to your local police department. Those are the guys that will actually save your ass when you need them.
No one in this country needs the NRA for protection. We pay taxes so we can have police departments, sheriff departments, the army, navy, marines, coast guard, air force, CIA, FBI, DIA, NSA, ATF, US Marshalls, National Guard, Secret Service, ect.
Instead of tithing to the NRA, you'd be better off just donating to your local police department. Those are the guys that will actually save your ass when you need them.
I own firearms, including handguns, but I'll never stand in the way of reasonable solutions to keep those kind of weapons out of the hands of lunatics and people with mental disorders. There's no reason an average Joe needs the same weapon that a Marine uses to patrol the streets of Fallujah. Those should be only allowed for combat purposes and law enforcement.
Once upon a time the NRA did a nice job representing hunters and sportsmen but that's long gone. Now they just represent the interests of gun manufacturers and anyone else who profits from gun violence.
Once upon a time the NRA did a nice job representing hunters and sportsmen but that's long gone. Now they just represent the interests of gun manufacturers and anyone else who profits from gun violence.
How can anyone be against thorough background checks? What's the big deal if you have to wait a bit to get a gun?
How can it be that a person can be on a no fly list yet be able to legally purchase a gun?
And why does anyone need an assault rifle? I know they're banned in CA but it's not exactly difficult to buy them legally in another state and take them there.
I realize there's no way to stop all of this and sometimes there's no defense against radicalized lunatics and/or people who just don't give a f***. But a nationwide ban on assault rifles would at least have to reduce the number of casualties when there is an incident.
And I know there's a right to bear arms. And I'm not against gun ownership. But these laws were written at a time when today's weapons just didn't exist. Everything, including laws, need to evolve.
How can it be that a person can be on a no fly list yet be able to legally purchase a gun?
And why does anyone need an assault rifle? I know they're banned in CA but it's not exactly difficult to buy them legally in another state and take them there.
I realize there's no way to stop all of this and sometimes there's no defense against radicalized lunatics and/or people who just don't give a f***. But a nationwide ban on assault rifles would at least have to reduce the number of casualties when there is an incident.
And I know there's a right to bear arms. And I'm not against gun ownership. But these laws were written at a time when today's weapons just didn't exist. Everything, including laws, need to evolve.
I don't know what the best solution is for this problem, but whatever it is I'm for it (others can't say that). I think America is better than this. "America" wasn't raised this way, if you know what I mean. Terrorism is chilling but personally, I'm more scared to send my kid to preschool or take him to a movie a than I am of jihad.
I'm for more gun control, better security, better mental treatment, ect. We have too many non-violent offenders taking up space in jail. I think we need to start reserving those spaces for those who've shown themselves capable of violence and irrational behavior. Keeping those folks away from guns should be Step 1.
Smart gun technology is pretty cool, but of course the gun worshipers don't want it (how predictable?).
I'm for more gun control, better security, better mental treatment, ect. We have too many non-violent offenders taking up space in jail. I think we need to start reserving those spaces for those who've shown themselves capable of violence and irrational behavior. Keeping those folks away from guns should be Step 1.
Smart gun technology is pretty cool, but of course the gun worshipers don't want it (how predictable?).
Just this morning, my fourth grader called me from school asking for me to bring in some homework we forgot to put in her bookbag - my heart dropped when she called because I thought something was going on ... The school had to be locked down two times in one year two years ago - both domestic incidents in houses close by, and we live FAR away from an urban area.
Part of why we live were we live is to be in a more "safe" community/area.
I am FAR, FAR more scared of something happening to them in school than anything else that could possibly happen.
But, unfortunately, I don't agree that America is better than this.
Where we are now is reflective of where we are now.
And we are going to be for the rest of our lives.
Sadly.
Explain to me how an American citizen, with no crime record and a job (i.e. legal gun owner under the most stringent laws) shot up a room full of people? Because of the gun? Or because of the motivation? Don't get me wrong - I am FOR stricter gun laws. But these mass shootings are about WAY more than gun laws. Mental Illness, Religious extremism to name a couple.
I won't get into details but my wife was very lucky on the night of the LA Fitness shootings in Bridgeville. There's no way to describe the panic that's exists in these situations.
I can empathize with your situation about your daughter and school. Folks are just so unstable these days.
I'm happy to be a parent but the worry in today's world takes a toll.
Is this your version of the, guns don't kill people, people do, argument that's the darling of the far right sycophants?
Don't get too stuck on this incident. There's hundreds of others to study from and if none of them fit your agenda, they'll be more tomorrow or next week.
I guess Japan and Canada are just blessed to have a bunch of citizens who aren't motivated to hurt innocent people with their assault rifles. How come they are so lucky and the US has all the wierdos? Oh well, in the meantime - #prayersforsanbernadino, thoughts and prayers, the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, arm teachers, arm students, arm movie theater workers, from my cold dead hands.
Yeehaw muthafarkers - here I come, Murica!
Awesome post I'm doing the increasing clapping frequency as I stand.
We are worried about Syrian refugees entering the country?? Come on, we got hundreds of terrorist right here killing our own, you can buy guns anywhere, any radical of any orientation can kill many. The only difference on how many they kill is how smart they are and if they take like ... A morning to actually plan it out.
People talk like this or the Paris shootings were so well planned... It doesn't take a lot of planning to go into a packed place with an automatic weapon and kill many.
Can we enforce gun control AND concentrate on Islamic terrorism within this country? I am not sure why we can only focus on one and completely discount the other. Muslims in US are killing people, this is happening. Not sure why selling a gun to a redneck at Walmart is the counterpoint to this.
I don't disagree with you on the topic, but comparing the US to Japan is a HUGE false equivalency. You almost cannot pick a culture that is more different from ours than theirs is. The UK was a better comparison.
The reason nooone got a shot off was because the building and surrounding buildings were gun free zones or "kill zones". The bad guys and terrorists always pick a gun free zone or "kill zones" because they won't encounter someone will a gun and they can get their work done quickly and leave.There should be no gun free zones in this country. Terrorists like these two + their terrorist helpers love gun free zones because they're only interested in body counts and getting away so they can repeat the process.
Where I live in PA approx. 90% of the residents in an area served by one police force have weapons in their homes and the Sheriffs department confirmed approx. 70% of the residents have a license to carry and do. Violent /gun related crime is close to zero. There's about 10 shooting ranges in like 5 sq miles which are full daily. Lots of women , couples, families, fathers and daughters. etc.
The local restruants and businesses put ads in the local papers 2x's per yr welcoming licensed gun owners. Why because the bad guys don't like to encounter people who are armed.
If administrators and teachers were armed at Sandy Hook nothing would have happened since that kid had to shoot thru a lock on a door to gain entrance to the school. He would have been room temperature before getting off a shot. Same with most of the other mass shootings.
The more guns in the hands of licensed citizens the safer and area will be.
In this case these two are or were terrorists because:
-they gave their child to a grandparent that morning
-the event was planned out carefully and they had an escape plan
-their weapons and other gear was very expensive and not affordable on their salaries reported on the news just today by local law enforcement
-the SUV was provided to them it wasn't their vehicle reported on the news today.
-they had Go Pro body cameras just like the terrorists in France. Get it done, escape, and put the footage out later like what happened in France
-their house was a " bomb factory" reported by the FBI and local law enforcement just today
-the authorities are now looking for approx. 3 other possible accomplices
-check out their names, religion, and the wife came here recently from Saudia Arabia
-a neighbor reported 3-4 middle eastern men in and out of their house late at night for weeks with boxes etc. The neighbor was on the news and said they didn't want to report them because it might look like profiling. Well to bad the neighbor kept quiet.
Give it rest that they were just two unhappy people.
Male and female teams are also the MO of International terrorists. Listen carefully to the FBI reports and other experts on the news.
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Wow - okay. Chill. I am for gun controls, okay? The problem is that you are just as polarized as those "sycophants" you described. Not sure how to have a reasonable discussion.Is this your version of the, guns don't kill people, people do, argument that's the darling of the far right sycophants?
Don't get too stuck on this incident. There's hundreds of others to study from and if none of them fit your agenda, they'll be more tomorrow or next week.
I guess Japan and Canada are just blessed to have a bunch of citizens who aren't motivated to hurt innocent people with their assault rifles. How come they are so lucky and the US has all the wierdos? Oh well, in the meantime - #prayersforsanbernadino, thoughts and prayers, the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, arm teachers, arm students, arm movie theater workers, from my cold dead hands.
Yeehaw muthafarkers - here I come, Murica!
Consider HIS "affiliation".. wv......where the Hatfields & McCoys are folk heroes.
You're right. Their culture is different. That's part of the point. We have a gun worship culture that overshadows reasonableness.
Columbine happened when I was a freshmen or sophomore in high school. These incidents have increased exponentially since then and nothing meaningful has been done to address the problem.
People want to be hard on terrorism and tough on radical Islam but when it comes to fixing a very real and equally disturbing problem from our own people we don't lift a finger.
The truth is the far right gun lovers want the same treatment they complain radical Islam receives - special treatment, don't rush to judgment, don't focus on the bad apples, ect.
As I said, they are two peas in a pod.
You can't harden every location. There will always be playgrounds, malls, movie theaters and despite what you believe an average Joe armed with a gun isn't solving this problem. At some point you need to treat the infection.
Teachers and administrators shouldn't be armed but I have no problem having real armed police and better security design in all schools. I'd happily pay more in taxes for that.
They also have a society where the people don't push back very hard against the government or any authority. They were not founded by war. They also value conformity above all else. They also have very strict post-WW2 laws that have become engrained in them. They aren't being "reasonable", they follow what they are told in most cases. You really want to be like them culturally? I doubt it.
What's so damn great about our culture?
Lots of countries have freedom. Without a doubt we are the most paranoid and scared bunch in the advanced world despite having more guns than the rest of the planet combined.
And when did Americans start pushing back against government? We've been electing and re-electing the same group of crooks for decades.
This is what happens, pitt-girl, when you start a political/news thread on a football board. haha.
There are very many places to discuss these issues that are more appropriate than the Pitt football board. We even have another forum on this site (the lockerroom) for this kind of discussion. Which is where this thread should be moved.
There are very many places to discuss these issues that are more appropriate than the Pitt football board. We even have another forum on this site (the lockerroom) for this kind of discussion. Which is where this thread should be moved.
My honest opinion is that the solution is somewhere in the middle and those that are the loudest on both sides seem unwilling to meet. I support tougher gun laws, but I also support at this time closing our borders and coming up with a tougher means of profiling. I'm sorry if that's offensive or politically incorrect. When it comes to mental health we as a country need to provide more. Period. Even if it means throwing a bunch of $$ at it. But we also need a way to be able to identify those at risk even if it means violating privacy laws. See how tricky this gets? You can't have it one way without the other.
It is extremely naive to think you can get rid of guns here. It is part of the fabric and history of this country. We were created by violence. If you can't accept that, no laws will ever make you feel better and perhaps relocating to a country that better fits what you need might be more appropriate.
We are very blessed to have a diverse group of friends and family. What I have found is that there are very few who truly are able to compromise on this issue and others. Both sides want to "win"; we have become VERY politically polarized and most seem to be very threatened by meeting in the middle. JMO.
I was on your side actually, but you are losing credibility by the minute. There are plenty things in our culture I would take over Japan, but that is irrelevant. Changing gun laws is nothing as compared to trying to change a nation's culture. I suspect most US women would strongly fight you on wanting Japan's culture implemented here. Americans never fight back? Funny that, we approve gay marriage, get University presidents and Police Chiefs fired, get inappropriate TV announcers off the air. And that's just the social stuff. I'm not against you on your gun law stance, but you've gone full goofy in your broad generalizations of what countries cultures we should emulate. And can you name one country in the world where the politicians aren't considered crooks? As if the US has cornered the market on that.
It was created with an OT. I don't see the issue with keeping it contained to this one thread.
The point is this is a uniquely American problem and the excuse that it's impossible to prevent just doest fly. If you don't like the Japan reference there's many other countries that apply just as well.
Well, see, that's the problem. For the law to evolve, the 2nd Amendment has to be legally changed. The problem with what you and others suggest is that it's effectively changing a constitutional amendment without going through the proper procedure.
The problem is, that opens the door to do the same thing for other amendments. For example, you could make the same argument regarding the 1st Amendment. "Hey, the 1st Amendment was written before we had all this technology. With all this hate speech floating around today, we need to change the laws to reflect the times."
You set that exact precedent if you do a end run around the 2nd Amendment. This all boils down to a simple point. To achieve gun control, the 2nd Amendment has to be amended, the proper way. If gun control advocates are sincerely committed to the cause, they should be willing to do it the right way, even if it's hard.
What about requiring smart gun technology like RFID chips, fingerprint scanning technology, ect.?
There's good solutions out there that could help, but they all get blocked by extreme, unreasonable views.
You aren't getting it. The US cannot change cultures to be someone else. You may like a countries laws, but suggesting we adopt somebody else's culture is silly. You got it right saying it is a US problem (though mass killings aren't a US only problem). The resolution of a US problem needs to be resolved within the framework of our laws and culture. Suggesting we become like Denmark, Japan, Fiji or Russia makes no sense.
