Good idea or Orwellian?
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/04/03/central-oakland-cameras-gated-community/
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/04/03/central-oakland-cameras-gated-community/
OT: Central Oakland being turned into "virtual gated community"
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Good Idea - The positives clearly outweigh the negatives.
You aren't guaranteed privacy in public areas. If they start putting the cameras inside the home or inside public restrooms you have a problem.
Good. They can use these as webcams for fans to view live construction of the new Pitt Stadium.
Benjamin Franklin said it with ultimate eloquence......give up a little freedom for security and in the end you will have neither.
This is a kids venue, absentee landlords. We’re going to take whatever steps we can to protect them and basically to expand Pitt’s campus,” said DA Zappala.
I like that quote. What the city needs to do is to condemn many of those properties and allow Pitt to buy up blocks, tear them down and build nice student housing or academic buildings, or.....nevermind
I like that quote. What the city needs to do is to condemn many of those properties and allow Pitt to buy up blocks, tear them down and build nice student housing or academic buildings, or.....nevermind
if a 7-11's camera is not Orwellian one would think a "public" street's camera would not be also.
Odd thing is the area of the event that precipitated this discussion is not even within the scope of the project.
“Together with the University of Pittsburgh Police and UPMC, we’ve taken central Oakland, basically south of Forbes between the Boulevard of the Allies and Bates Street. We’ve gated that. We’re in the process of gating that,” said District Attorney Stephen Zappala.
Ben 2018 living in West Philly would probably change his tune....
I know over a decade ago a consortium of University City schools created a neighborhood unarmed security force which would station individuals throughout the West Philly neighborhood every so many blocks through a good portion off the day, basically creating a security net that reached well into the West Philly residential areas west of the universities. West Philly...say...8 or so blocks west of Penn and USP, wasn't bad at all, and was undergoing major gentrification a decade ago when I lived there.
ya, should have been more specific and placed old Ben in Mantua or Strawberry Mansion in said analogy...But agreed I had a super surgeon do some work on me a Penn and I would walk from 30th st station thru Drexel to Penn for appts and followups and it was in all honesty a fairly pleasant experience...Franklin field type deal in Oakland?... don't get me started, love that old place...
When I was at GSPIA in the mid 2000's some of the students were working on security camera tech. It was unreal. After I graduated, one student told me how they had a field test of their technology at a Super Bowl in Miami. The test was to have one individual enter Miami with an assumed criminal identity, and to see if they could be tracked despite wearing a variety of disguises. They tracked his every move from the time he got off the plane despite, wearing prosthetic masks and having a team of people helping him. They used the heat ID from his face like a fingerprint and even were able to track him in open water somehow. That was more than 10 years ago.
Not sure what this has to do with gated communities. Apparently, journalists can just add a word like"virtual" into a topic and that allows them to change the meaning of any word for whatever effect they want. That passes for journalism these days. Legally, none of us has any legitimate right to privacy in any public place. I find it all creepy myself. In some ways, we live in an era more Orwellian than even Orwell himself could ever have imagined.
Not sure what this has to do with gated communities. Apparently, journalists can just add a word like"virtual" into a topic and that allows them to change the meaning of any word for whatever effect they want. That passes for journalism these days. Legally, none of us has any legitimate right to privacy in any public place. I find it all creepy myself. In some ways, we live in an era more Orwellian than even Orwell himself could ever have imagined.
I don't mind the cameras as a deterrent to would be criminals. I never felt particularly at risk at any time in Oakland but that was twenty years ago.
Not sure how it does anything to prevent absentee landlords.
Not sure how it does anything to prevent absentee landlords.
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13469730-74/two-arrested-for-south-oakland-homicide
nothing to see here, move along, but one has to wonder if these dudes would do their business elsewhere (not on my son's street) had they known they would have had electronic eyes on them...
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