All QB draft picks are essentially crap shoots /
Just to agitate Zelda and werewolf -
Pickett also fit that late first round mold (20th pick)
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Just to agitate Zelda and werewolf -
Pickett also fit that late first round mold (20th pick)
yeah, it's going to be a weak qb class i believe. when dion sanders kid is # 1, you know it's not going to be great..
How about we draft allar so we can get the local media to be steeler cheerleaders again? I kid i kid..
most of these guys seem to be runners first, or i believe the accepted term is "Dual threat" qbs. no thanks. off top off my head, maybe the LSU qb, actually throws the ball from the pocket, i know i know, that still exists if you can believe it. decent size and great accuracy..
soufie still sticking with pickett being a first rd nfl qb is beautiful. yeah, stick with that narrative, it wasnt blown to bits the last 2 1/2 seasons at all.
as always, you are right and every other person on the planet, including reality, is wrong.. never change soufie, we need posters like you on here
He was drafted in the first round . So yes by definition he was .
Only a handful of us are tethered to reality it seems
What Round was he drafted in your world?
We all know you preferred to roll with former first round Mitch and Mason Rudolph into that season , instead .
As the Galaxy Brain.
By the way the Medicre Mike way you described is lauded and praised by the national media every game. Once again check out Bens stats through three quarters vs the fourth when he kicked Oh Canada to the curb and went hurry up. Its not just a post Ben phenomenon.
Changing Qbs is like shuffling the chairs on the deck of the titanic. Removing the Qb whose name shall not be mentioned any longer simply highlights that!
yeah, no argument here. put in Josh Allen on this roster and you still have a lazy bone headed pickens jogging routes, a below avg tight end and allen robinson v. 2.0 with Jefferson..
I do like some of these younger linemen although the data we have is extremely limited. Fautanu before injury looks like a player and i really like McCormick, frazier is great already. verdict isnt looking to good with Broderick Jones unfortunately, think he was graded out as the worst OL last week. his highlights are almost comical as he's a punchline this week on social media.
Who'd have guessed that Dan freakin Moore would be so important to our teasm..
Again check out the Fourth Quarter stats with the HOF Qb playing. This is not just a recent phenomenon post Ben
Good point !
Never draft a qb above the 6th round - hope your franchise first rounder gets injured . And then expect your once every 25 year type of qb is on the bench !
Just pointing out how much of a crap shoot the draf is at QB dummy. In your attempt to play gotcha you once again proved your stupidity.
Yup Another Mike in Dallas who has a similar record (this year and career wise) is on the hot seat and Mediocre Mike is an HOFer. LOL
in two years we will have the pickett conversation all over again when the steelers draft eli holstein
wait, i thought all pitt fans are cheap and he'll transfer out because of NIL money and be playing in the SEC or Big 10 next fall?
Noooo. Pitt fans aren't cheap. Per another thread, there are hundreds that are sitting on huge wads of cash waiting for Pitt to build a stadium somewhere in Oakland.
Eh, idk about that. There's been a sea change in how the NFL values rookie QBs now. Teams look for traits and not necessarily perfection in how they operate an NFL offense at the college level. It's certainly different from 2004 but I'll also contend it's different from 2018.
Lamar Jackson slipped because the NFL was so obsessed with pocket passers. As a prospect, he was a better version of Jayden Daniels. He would easily be a top 10 QB today. Maybe #1 overall.
Rodgers similar thing. There were 3 RBs in the top 5 that year lol. That will probably never happen again in our lifetime. QBs just go higher now. Plus he was a Jeff Tedford QB after a string of Tedford busts left a bad taste in people's mouths.
I don't know what the Steelers' options are. They screwed themselves by: 1) investing in a bunch of win-now offensive pieces who don't play premium positions; 2) poor scouting of offensive prospects; and 3) poor scheme that makes basically all offensive players look worse than their baseline. They're probably doomed on that side of the ball until Tomlin leaves. Certainly I don't expect another top 10 offense from them until that happens. I'd still probably just take a QB in every single draft until you find one.
He had a first round grade on every scouting service that I saw.
He didn't work out and yeah it was probably a bit of a reach. But it's revisionist history to act like he was a 5th rounder or something and only the Steelers were dumb enough to catch the falling knife.
Also, the NFL has tons of "can't miss" guys who bust. And now more than ever, scheme and supporting talent matters. Hell, look at Sam Darnold and Brock Purdy. The first was a huge bust who upgraded situation and became an MVP candidate. The latter was Mr. Irrelevant who also plays at an MVP level. But do you think either could do that in Pittsburgh? Gun to my head I would say no chance.
I feel like quarterbacks have always been coming off the board high, though. I don't know that there has been an uptick lately, aside from possibly the fact that they're busting out at a rate higher than ever (probably because they're being thrown into the fire more now, as opposed to marinating on the bench for multiple years like they often used to).
There have definitely been positions that used to be drafted high and now seem to be devalued - running back for instance - but that's probably cancelled out by wide receivers, edge rushers, etc. being much more valued now. Of course it'd be nice to get a top 5 quarterback; I just think a top 20 quarterback doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a chopped liver selection.
Offenses matter. I said it the day the injury happened in Minnesota and Philly fans wanted to ship Pickett to the Vikings. I said Darnold was already there, they don’t need Kenny, and with that offense and system Darnold was finally going to show why he was a first round pick. And he has.
Kenny was a first round QB. He has pedigree. It doesn’t mean he had Peyton Manning Pedigree coming out of college. If not for his hand size he would have never dropped to the Steelers. People have revisionist history on him. And it’s due to his performance as a Steeler. But who would have performed better?
ok so what happens IF WIlson just goes out and kills it? LIke im talking 20 - 25, 250 yards, 3 TD passes, zero interceptions and we beat the jets?
No, i dont think it will happen but WHAT IF? Then what? then you stick with him and we are all just eating crow while mediocre mike is justified in his handling of this qb situation. and every yinzer in this city just completely does a 180 on the future of this team
That would be crazy. and yeah, i know, zero chance it happens.
No, i dont think it will happen but WHAT IF? Then what? then you stick with him and we are all just eating crow while mediocre mike is justified in his handling of this qb situation. and every yinzer in this city just completely does a 180 on the future of this team
That would be crazy. and yeah, i know, zero chance it happens.
I would say don’t over react. I know it’s hard and people will. But don’t deal in absolutes. Let it play out.
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Agree to disagree on that part. There's a huge drop off, not only from 1-20 but from the #1 overall QB prospect in a given year and then another year. For example, I bet the Bears wouldn't have taken two 1st round picks for Caleb Williams, even to go from #1 to #2. But they did that exact same thing after doing some diligence on Bryce Young. Similar story with Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck: they were simply not obtainable. But Jared Goff and Carson Wentz were.
There are often still good QBs as late as around #10. But you get to the 20s and it's a huge difference. Especially when it's the first QB taken. And yeah you listed a lot of hits that went 15 or later but how about the misses from 15-64? Will Levis, Mac Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, DeShone Kizer, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Jimmy G, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden, Brock Osweiler, Andy Dalton, Tebow, and Jimmy Clausen. That's 1-2 franchise guys (Dalton and maybe counting Carr), 1 maybe good (Geno Smith took him 9 years and jury is still kind of out), 1 dude who got to play in an elite scheme and sucked otherwise (Jimmy G), 1 serviceable backup/Pickett level guy (Teddy B), and the rest are busts. It's mostly a dead zone over the last 15 years. The guys you highlighted are huge exceptions and some of them are 20 years old at this point.
What's the top 10 hit rate, though? I'm sure all QB draft ranges have abysmal success rates. And the top 10 guys cost more. Just going back ten draft classes:
Jameis Winston - Bust
Marcus Mariota - Bust
Jared Goff - Eventually bloomed, but not with the team that drafted him
Carson Wentz - I would say bust
Trubisky - Bust
Mahomes - Homerun, though he was barely in the top ten
Mayfield - See Goff
Darnold - See Goff, Mayfield
Allen - Homerun
Rosen - Bust
Murray - Underwhelming at best
Jones - Underwhelming at best
Burrow - Hit
Tua - Underwhelming at best
Herbert - Hit, though he hasn't won a damn thing
Lawrence - I'm kind of underwhelmed
Wilson - Bust
Lance - Bust
Young - Doesn't look good so far
Stroud - Looks like a hit
Richardson - I would predict bust
Williams - TBD
Daniels - Looks like a hit
Maye - I would predict bust or maybe one who takes a while to figure it out
Penix - See Maye
McCarthy - I would predict bust
Who???
He did not have Dionte Johnson, he was injured for 5 games.
You call Allen Robinson legit? I dont
Every freakin day on here. every single F'in day, kenny pickett blah blah blah blah.
Give me a break.
Truth hurts.
Let what go? I dont give a rats ass. I am not even a Steeler fan.
If you dont like facts, then go play in whatever fantasy land you wish. I ... for the record... dont care if the QB is Pickett, fields, jesus, hitler, the flying spaghetti monster, or you, but simply pointing out facts that Picketts stats were better than Fields and having you be upset over it is kinda nuts. Pickett wasnt world class and Fields is even less so.
Finding a QB is definitely hard. But here's another way to look at it. Since 2005, there have only been three Super Bowl teams that didn't have a top 11 QB (2015 New England against Seattle and 2013 Ravens...Flacco went 18th tho) as the starter or injured and on the roster (Carson Wentz was an MVP candidate, got hurt, and Foles took over for something like 5 games so I am still counting that). And some of those games had head to head matchups of top 10 guys (Rams against Cinci, Denver against Carolina). That is astonishing when you figure that Brady wipes out 10 of those 40 instances.
You basically needed to have a top 11 QB, Flacco/Rodgers (who were both 1sts and may have been drafted much higher in the contemporaneous NFL) or Tom Brady/Russ Wilson to have won a Super Bowl in the last 20 years.
So, Kyler Murray who has thrown for 17,000 yards, 100 some TDs and 40 INTs in 5 years with a lifetime 93 passer rating is "underwhelming at best"
Tua... who was an all pro, and led the entire NFL in passing last year, and whos team ABSOLUTELY fell apart and looks like a midget league team after his injury this year is also "underwhelming at best"
Yet, Justin Fields, who is 13-30, cant pass, basically runs a wildcat, is averaging like 170 yards a game and leading the 28th ranked offense for us (after pathetic play with the Bears)... is just aces.
OOOOOKKKKKK
edit: ok... you never said Justin Fields was at all good... so I take that back
Tua when his egg isn’t scrambled is really good
Murray is also very good .
Jones sucks And still got paid like $50mil a year as an extension
Yeah I think it's pretty clear that the entire world (except me, who was always right about Tua being good) has been way too low on Tua. They've played 4 other QBs with Mike McDaniel/Tyreek/Waddle and all of them are complete poo. The Dolphins are legitimately the worst team in the league without Tua. That's how good he is. He's a hit by any reasonable measure.
Yeah, I admit I underestimated him until my fantasy team fell through without him a few times. Hill, who absolutely destroyed it last year can barely muster a couple catches and 30 yards this year without him.
