For those interested in the going rate for an on-campus stadium with all the bells and whistles, here you go. Seats only 35,000 and will sit on the existing Ryan Field site. I think it’s safe to say anything in Oakland would be pushing $1B…
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If it's on the existing Ryan Field site, it won't be on campus. The existing facility is in a residential neighborhood well north of campus, actually near the border of Evanston and Wilmette.For those interested in the going rate for an on-campus stadium with all the bells and whistles, here you go. Seats only 35,000 and will sit on the existing Ryan Field site. I think it’s safe to say anything in Oakland would be pushing $1B…
I love folks like you and @Sean Miller Fan just throwing out numbers and acting like you’re subject matter experts on real estate and construction.They are massively overpaying.
San Diego St. just built a new 35,000 seat stadium for $310 million.
Throw in design, engineering and site plans.I love folks like you and @Sean Miller Fan just throwing out numbers and acting like you’re subject matter experts on real estate and construction.
Never change.
A few things. The $800 million is for the entire project, not just the stadium. That includes the demolition of the current stadium, which isnt cheap. This also seems to be an NFL-caliber stadium but smaller. Inotherwords, all the bells, whistles, and amenities that add to the cost. Pitt wouldn't need that. If we built one, it would be more along the lines of Minnesota and not UCF. My guess is JUST the cost of constructing a stadium in Oakland would be $500 million now. The cost to buy up buildings and tear them down probably adds another $100 million. Is it a good move financially, no. Neither is the volleyball arena. But they aren't building the volleyball arena to profit. They're doing it to improve the experience for the 100 student-athletes who use it per year. A stadium would improve the college experience for all students and it brings alumni back to campus.I love folks like you and @Sean Miller Fan just throwing out numbers and acting like you’re subject matter experts on real estate and construction.
Never change.
Yup. I’m a little disappointed they’re not sticking with the integrity of the original stadium, but it does look very nice.If it's on the existing Ryan Field site, it won't be on campus. The existing facility is in a residential neighborhood well north of campus, actually near the border of Evanston and Wilmette.
Why should they be confident??? Why does anyone think that the Big Ten is going to hang on to every school in their conference? This is all about money and so schools like Northwestern should be pretty damn nervous that the conference tells then to kiss off and head to the MAC.That’s a school confident that their program will still be in The Show when the dust settles with all the conference blowups.
Pitt is not one of those, so it would be fiscally moronic to even consider it here.
Maybe the ghosts of Pitt leadership past should feel haunted that they withdrew from football instead of pursuing the Big Ten in the 30s/40s. (Trying to get into the Halloween spirit).
35,000, though? It doesn’t seem the worth the bother for that.
Doubtful, it's a private university. That won't matter for purposes of this project which will be 100% privately funded.Does Northwestern receive any funding from the state?
The Ryans donated a half billion for it and its all going to be privately funded. Lots of money at NW.Call us when there's actually shovels in the ground, this is just a proposal and don't be shocked when NW settles for just a refurb of Ryan Field. The whole hosting concerts thing seems like they want this to fail, the stadium is right in the middle of a suburban neighborhood, there's a huge difference between 6 or 7 fall Saturday afternoon NW football games and concerts, XFL or USFL team and so on.
If it is that precipitous, then this is also fiscally moronic. Which I’d think is pretty foolish unless they felt they had some solid basis for confidence.Why should they be confident??? Why does anyone think that the Big Ten is going to hang on to every school in their conference? This is all about money and so schools like Northwestern should be pretty damn nervous that the conference tells then to kiss off and head to the MAC.
For reference, the Ryan's $500M donation closed a campaign that exceeded $6B. Not sure Pitt could do that. Tepper ain't dropping $500M on a Pitt stadium so your question isn't relevant.The Ryans donated a half billion for it and its all going to be privately funded. Lots of money at NW.
The interesting question would be if Tepper or someone donated a half billion to Pitt for a football stadium, would Pitt agree to build it? Or would they turn it down?
The Ryans donated a half billion for it and its all going to be privately funded. Lots of money at NW.
The interesting question would be if Tepper or someone donated a half billion to Pitt for a football stadium, would Pitt agree to build it? Or would they turn it down?
I love folks like you and @Sean Miller Fan just throwing out numbers and acting like you’re subject matter experts on real estate and construction.
Never change.
Yea, I know but hypothetically if a donor or group of donors brought a check to Pitt and said "this is for you to build a stadium," would Pitt turn it down? I have a feeling they would. I don't think money is the reason they aren't building one. They just view it as unnecessary....redundant since the city has one.For reference, the Ryan's $500M donation closed a campaign that exceeded $6B. Not sure Pitt could do that. Tepper ain't dropping $500M on a Pitt stadium so your question isn't rerelevant.
1-1 1/2 miles is not "well north" its a 15 minute stroll akin to Point State Park to the Stadium formerly known as Heinz Field..If it's on the existing Ryan Field site, it won't be on campus. The existing facility is in a residential neighborhood well north of campus, actually near the border of Evanston and Wilmette.
No. They wouldn't.Yea, I know but hypothetically if a donor or group of donors brought a check to Pitt and said "this is for you to build a stadium," would Pitt turn it down? I have a feeling they would. I don't think money is the reason they aren't building one. They just view it as unnecessary....redundant since the city has one.
Yinzers are tough.Why do other stadiums get a full overhang to provide shade and protection from the elements, but in Pittsburgh, Acrisure Stadium and PNC Park have ones that probably do not even cover half of the upper deck?
Dumb post of the day winner.They are massively overpaying.
San Diego St. just built a new 35,000 seat stadium for $310 million.
I really believe the same. Even if fully funded, I think they would believe that pursuit of an on campus stadium for football would appear, for want of a better term, unwoke … to “more worthy” concerns, sports or otherwise. Even if funding existed, the mere engagement in it likely would abhor them. And before this turns into a partisan shat-show that gets deleted, everything that emanates from Pitt completely supports this opinion . Maybe even ESPECIALLY if it were funded privately. The mere idea that somebody would give Pitt nearly $1B only to see it ‘squandered’ on a male sport whose fanbase is predominately older white males? Never never never.Yea, I know but hypothetically if a donor or group of donors brought a check to Pitt and said "this is for you to build a stadium," would Pitt turn it down? I have a feeling they would. I don't think money is the reason they aren't building one. They just view it as unnecessary....redundant since the city has one.
Are we playing a game to see who can make the dumbest post possible?I really believe the same. Even if fully funded, I think they would believe that pursuit of an on campus stadium for football would appear, for want of a better term, unwoke … to “more worthy” concerns, sports or otherwise. Even if funding existed, the mere engagement in it likely would abhor them. And before this turns into a partisan shat-show that gets deleted, everything that emanates from Pitt completely supports this opinion . Maybe even ESPECIALLY if it were funded privately. The mere idea that somebody would give Pitt nearly $1B only to see it ‘squandered’ on a male sport whose fanbase is predominately older white males? Never never never.
Pitt gladly accepted a $5M donation from the Koch Foundation, of all places, just a few years ago. Your whole premise is flawed.I really believe the same. Even if fully funded, I think they would believe that pursuit of an on campus stadium for football would appear, for want of a better term, unwoke … to “more worthy” concerns, sports or otherwise. Even if funding existed, the mere engagement in it likely would abhor them. And before this turns into a partisan shat-show that gets deleted, everything that emanates from Pitt completely supports this opinion . Maybe even ESPECIALLY if it were funded privately. The mere idea that somebody would give Pitt nearly $1B only to see it ‘squandered’ on a male sport whose fanbase is predominately older white males? Never never never.
Part of the problem is that, due to Pitt's location, they are at the mercy of a bunch of stakeholders, so even if Pitt brass wanted to move forward building the stadium, they would have to get a bunch of other entities on board and that would be an extremely challenging task, probably not worth the headaches. You would need to work with the city and PRT and perhaps even PennDOT on upgrading roads and mass transportation, you would have to deal with that Oakland Planning Commission that appears to dislike any development, etc.I really believe the same. Even if fully funded, I think they would believe that pursuit of an on campus stadium for football would appear, for want of a better term, unwoke … to “more worthy” concerns, sports or otherwise. Even if funding existed, the mere engagement in it likely would abhor them. And before this turns into a partisan shat-show that gets deleted, everything that emanates from Pitt completely supports this opinion . Maybe even ESPECIALLY if it were funded privately. The mere idea that somebody would give Pitt nearly $1B only to see it ‘squandered’ on a male sport whose fanbase is predominately older white males? Never never never.
It's absolutely a flaw in Acrisure's design... That overhang or canopy or whatever the proper term is should cover not only everyone in the upper deck sidelines but almost everyone in the lower bowl sidelines as well.Why do other stadiums get a full overhang to provide shade and protection from the elements, but in Pittsburgh, Acrisure Stadium and PNC Park have ones that probably do not even cover half of the upper deck?
It's absolutely a flaw in Acrisure's design... That overhang or canopy or whatever the proper term is should cover not only everyone in the upper deck sidelines but almost everyone in the lower bowl sidelines as well.
I get that the lighting at Acrisure is on the edge of the canopy/overhang, so the stadium's lighting would have to be completely redesigned if you change that. I just always thought it was weird that they provide shade and weather protection to the folks sitting in peanut heaven on the sidelines (obviously no sort of protection for the folks in the bleachers in the upper end zone).That stadium should have been built as a full bowl akin to Three Rivers (obviously with better dimensions and amenities). Yes, the river view is nice but the atmosphere (and sound) within a full bowl like TRS was so much better. I think having a fully enclosed stadium would also make it much easier to extend the canopy out further.
Well that’s just it. Give Pitt 500m, for something with a minimal footprint on property that’s already clear…yeah, I can see them accepting it. But for something the size of a stadium in Oakland, there is acquiring the property, relocation and demolition, and every thing difficult that comes from that, all with the objective for a male sport that appeals mainly to the devil, aka white males. If they could pitch it similar to what Northwestern is doing, saying it’s for other things as well, they could try that but that would likely would get called out for the BS that it is. It isn’t being built for poetry forums or Lilith fairs, it’s Being built for ugh, football. This just isn’t the era to do it. They would never go for that.Part of the problem is that, due to Pitt's location, they are at the mercy of a bunch of stakeholders, so even if Pitt brass wanted to move forward building the stadium, they would have to get a bunch of other entities on board and that would be an extremely challenging task, probably not worth the headaches. You would need to work with the city and PRT and perhaps even PennDOT on upgrading roads and mass transportation, you would have to deal with that Oakland Planning Commission that appears to dislike any development, etc.
More like two miles. Nobody human walks that in 15 minutes.1-1 1/2 miles is not "well north" its a 15 minute stroll akin to Point State Park to the Stadium formerly known as Heinz Field..
WSU 33K. Wake 31.5K... NW was 47K. Duke is 40K+.It will be the third smallest P5 stadium behind Wake 31.5K and Duke and 34K
Wash St 35K
Vandy 40.5K
NW was 49.2K
Not sure how "glorified" or "wannabe" NW is as a consensus top 10 ranked national university ranked above all but 4 of the Ivys. I guess Stanford, MIT, Hopkins and U. of Chicago are all glorified Ivy wannabes as well.Not that it matters but there is really zero comparison to Pitt, here. Northwestern is a glorified, ivy league, wannabe, that has to at least look like it's making an effort to justify it's cut of the conference funds. I'm not sure that building a stadium that will be the smallest in the conference by 15k seats is signaling any kind of commitment to football going forward.