OT-Nutting Opens His Wallet
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Its a good signing for a strong late inning guy. The Pirates can hand the final three innings over to Hudson, Rivero, and Watson (in some order) and not have to worry much about it. Yes, Hudson had a bad stretch in the middle of 2016 but his start and finish to the season were excellent and he had a strong 2015 as well. If Hudson hadn't had that bad stretch he is probably looking at something in the neighborhood of 8 or 9 mil per year.
Yes, the Pirates need to do a good bit more. Need another quality starter and another pen arm or two. But this is a very good signing.
Yes, the Pirates need to do a good bit more. Need another quality starter and another pen arm or two. But this is a very good signing.
A perfectly Pirates move. Not without merit, but ultimately it's a chipped ham sammich when Bucco fans want a bite of steak. What's that gap between the Pirates and Cubs? Maybe this shaves one game from it.
Just read that this move maxed out Big Neal's budget. Hahahahahahahaha
Somebody that can knock the cover off the ball would be nice. I understand the merits of a strong pitching staff, but there also merits to having people in your line up that can actually hit the ball. I look at the cubs before they opened the check book...they still had plenty of people coming up that could smack the ball...Pirate seem to be unable to grow any.
The big move/non-move. Just going thru the motions to fend off the latest criticism in the press...
This signing puts them at $95 mill. Other than a couple tryout contracts, the vault is closed.
Let's be honest, the Pirates know the Cubs have a lock on the division. Even the Cards don't stand a chance. They're trying to be in the mix for the wild card. Wouldn't be a bad move if they had the kind of ace that is lights out for a one game playoff.
You could've been more supportive and helped his budget. (Your buying a hotdog, a box of popcorn, and a tee-shirt would've probably doubled his budget....)
I am not one to gripe about ownership's lack of spending. It is what it is and we've gotten pretty far in the last last few years with a sub 100 million payroll. Harrison and Freese are about 13 mil in payroll that I'm sure they'd like to clear but would never find any takers. I didn't like the Harrison deal after his lone great season and the Freese deal after a good first half seemed like a knee jerk reaction. I'd assume the Bucs are trying to move JHay and it sounds like they are still talking with the Mets about Cutch. Two deals that make some sense and would go a long way to solving the remaining holes:
JHay to the Dodgers for Kazmir + $$. Dodgers are still hunting for a 2B and Kazmir is expendable. Get them to eat a little cash down to the level where Kazmir is making what Liriano was (~ 11 mil per year).
Cutch + prospect to the Mets for Matz + Bruce: Mets need a CF. Matz is a lot for them to give up but they DO have the depth to do it. We wouldn't need Bruce but they desperately want to rid his salary and it might make it more likely to land Matz. Bruce can take over in RF until Meadows is ready. It might take a decent prospect to swing this deal but the Mets need to improve CF.
We end up coming out a little ahead salary-wise. Use the remaining funds to add a veteran bench bat (primarily to spell Frazier at 2B) and add to the pen.
A rotation of Cole, Matz, Taillon, Kazmir, Kuhl/Glasnow....pretty sweet and alternating righties and lefties.
JHay to the Dodgers for Kazmir + $$. Dodgers are still hunting for a 2B and Kazmir is expendable. Get them to eat a little cash down to the level where Kazmir is making what Liriano was (~ 11 mil per year).
Cutch + prospect to the Mets for Matz + Bruce: Mets need a CF. Matz is a lot for them to give up but they DO have the depth to do it. We wouldn't need Bruce but they desperately want to rid his salary and it might make it more likely to land Matz. Bruce can take over in RF until Meadows is ready. It might take a decent prospect to swing this deal but the Mets need to improve CF.
We end up coming out a little ahead salary-wise. Use the remaining funds to add a veteran bench bat (primarily to spell Frazier at 2B) and add to the pen.
A rotation of Cole, Matz, Taillon, Kazmir, Kuhl/Glasnow....pretty sweet and alternating righties and lefties.
I've been slow to jump on the bash Nutting bandwagon, however, I did a little research a couple weeks ago and discovered that the Pirates percentage of revenue committed to player salaries is near the bottom of the league at about 39% and that the average is near 50%. Getting up to the average would allow them to spend $25 million more on players, which could make quite a bit of difference to their prospects. Certainly, there is no reason for them to not at least equal Cleveland's payroll. With all of that said, I trust that Huntington will do the best with what he has to work.
Cole is habitually out of shape. Flame throwers can't occupy a starters role unless they are in top shape. He doesn't have a good 3rd pitch and gets rocked when his control is off because he can't blow one by hitters.
I look to see him traded. The sooner the better. He has a great agent. He needs a trainer and dietician.
I wish that wallet of Nutting's snapped shut on his fingers and cut about 4 of them off! We will never win anything with Nutsack as the owner. Competitive team, maybe. Championship team, Laugh out loud. Please sell and give the franchise a chance!
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Apparently the Bucs are serious about Quintana. Makes sense...he is great, lefty, and controllable for four more years. Going to take quite a haul to get him though. Probably something like Glasnow OR Meadows + Keller + Tuckerr/Garcia and maybe more. I'm OK with them trading Glasnow to get pitching but it would hurt to part with Meadows or Keller.
A rotation fronted by Cole, Quintana, and Taillon....could be awfully good.
A rotation fronted by Cole, Quintana, and Taillon....could be awfully good.
Maybe it is not to late to package a couple more of our prospects so we can dump Liriano's salary thus putting more money in Nutsack's already bulging wallet. Do you really think they make a move like this, when we have to dump solid prospects just to rid us of a contract they didn't want? All those who defend the Nutsack and say he is doing it the right way, well, there is no other team in the entire league willing to dump solid prospects so they can part wth a salary!
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