OT: Over Under for Pirate Losses

[pittbb80]

This team is worse than last year. I’m putting it at 120. I think they will challenge the Mets record

No one to replace Marte. Catcher is a mess. No assurance Polanco will be able to throw. And pitching is a mess.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I am way over Pirate losses......waaaaay over! I don't even watch them anymore.

 

[Black Panther]

What's is preventing them in signing a player or two fill these holes.Its not like they will go bankrupt.H#ll even they could have signed Russell Martin back at his age would have been a positive.They need to spend some money plain and simple.But there is a better chance of H#ll freezing over than that happening.

 

[superstein61a]

100 losses
$45 million payroll
$80 million profit for Nutting

 

[wbrpanther]

This team is worse than last year. I’m putting it at 120. I think they will challenge the Mets record

No one to replace Marte. Catcher is a mess. No assurance Polanco will be able to throw. And pitching is a mess.

90 losses would be a more sane number. Way more sane.

 

[Black Panther]

100 losses
$45 million payroll
$80 million profit for Nutting

That's about spot on....

 

[ratking17]

I believe vegas has them at 102 losses

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

I'd be surprised if it didn't approach 100. Of the legit major leaguers they had last year, a few are gone, and I sincerely doubt Bell and Reynolds will duplicate those seasons.

And, as much as I like to rag on Nutting, it really makes no sense to spend a dime this offseason. I don't think people will care if we lose 96 instead of 99.

 

[pittbb80]

90 losses would be a more sane number. Way more sane.

they lost 93 last year with a better closer, Center fielder and overall pitching staff

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

100 losses
$45 million payroll
$80 million profit for Nutting

Nutting’s Wallet Always Wins

 

[wbrpanther]

they lost 93 last year with a better closer, Center fielder and overall pitching staff

Is 90 not a more sane prediction than 120.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Is 90 not a more sane prediction than 120.

I'll be rooting for 120, but I don't know how realistic it is. 105 is pretty realistic, though, which would make predictions of 90 and 120 equally as sane/insane.

 

[BFo8]

I believe vegas has them at 102 losses

Actually the Pirates win total is trading around 69.5 in Las Vegas right now, so that’s approximately 92.5 losses.

I can easily count on one hand the times I’ve seen a teams O/U loss total forecast at over 100, it just doesn’t happen.

 

[pittbb80]

Is 90 not a more sane prediction than 120.

How so. They have less talent this year so why would you expect them to improve by few games. They will be lucky to lose only 100 games.

 

[daminals76]

Is 90 not a more sane prediction than 120.

Yes it is... it's very difficult to even lose 100 and its damn near impossible to lose 120.

 

[PA_Panther]

The pirates will win 72 games next year. I think Keller has a solid year. I think getting a fresh face coaching him will help. Archer will be better by default and Trevor Williams will be his usual self. Musgrove will be a solid middle of the rotation guy. Chad Kuhl returns from TJ. I’m guessing they will slot him into the back of the BP.

I have zero clue where the offense is going to come from outside of Bell, Reynolds or Frazier. They need to let Tucker and Newman play everyday but I doubt it will happen.

Now if the pirates do what they should do and tear everything to the ground they should have a top five pick come next June. On another note they are also favored to sign the top international hitting prospect in next years class which I guess is something to be excited about.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Well, they are definitely going to stink, I don’t think there’s any question about that. How bad will the damage be? Who knows? I will say that 120 losses seems a bit dire to me. I think they will be atrocious, but even I don’t think they’ll be that bad.

However, I could certainly see anywhere between the 98 and 105 losses.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

This team is worse than last year. I’m putting it at 120. I think they will challenge the Mets record

No one to replace Marte. Catcher is a mess. No assurance Polanco will be able to throw. And pitching is a mess.

Over under off the number of pirate games this year. .5. I advise to take the under.

 

[wbrpanther]

Actually the Pirates win total is trading around 69.5 in Las Vegas right now, so that’s approximately 92.5 losses.

I can easily count on one hand the times I’ve seen a teams O/U loss total forecast at over 100, it just doesn’t happen.

The Pirates lost over 100 games 3 times since the early 50s.

 

[BFo8]

The Pirates lost over 100 games 3 times since the early 50s.

I meant the amount of times I’d seen a teams preseason over/under win total be set at 62 wins or lower. I thought I remembered seeing it with the Marlins once, but maybe not.

When they make these totals you just don’t see them set that low, or that high for that matter. I saw at least one place that opened the Pirates at 71.5, but that was before the Marte trade and that number had already been trending downward.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I'm going to be optimistic and say 89. Losing record for sure but I think the NL Central is pretty soft.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Yes it is... it's very difficult to even lose 100 and its damn near impossible to lose 120.

It’s damn near impossible to have someone like Jacob stallings as a starting mlb catcher too but we apparently found a way. Do not underestimate this team, we can surely lose 120 games.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Losing 120 games is way too hard. 100 losses is more likely the median.

 

[upj87]

This team is worse than last year. I’m putting it at 120. I think they will challenge the Mets record

No one to replace Marte. Catcher is a mess. No assurance Polanco will be able to throw. And pitching is a mess.

how much do you have to lose? You can put me down for 10 grand you have it and I'll even give you the over at 115... ...

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

hyperbole aside, 42-120 is epically bad, even for this team.. i definitely think they lose over 100 though.. i could easily see this team going 60-102..

 

[upj87]

It’s damn near impossible to have someone like Jacob stallings as a starting mlb catcher too but we apparently found a way. Do not underestimate this team, we can surely lose 120 games.

you must not be in many fantasy baseball leagues to look at some of these guys as Stallings (after the first 6 or 7 top catchers) is pretty much standard MLB catcher fare these days..

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Since 1950, there have only been 5 teams who have only won 40-49 games. So that would be historically bad.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Worst records last year:

Blue Jays: 67 - 95
Orioles: 54 - 108
Royals: 59 - 103
Tigers: 47 - 114
Mariners: 68 - 94
Marlins: 57 - 105
Pirates: 69 - 93
Padres: 70 - 92
Rockies: 71 - 91
Angels: 72 - 90

While 120 losses is far-fetched, this notion of only losing 90 is a bit crazy in and of itself. There are ten teams who lost at least 90 games last year, and we are considerably worse than we were a year ago. I think you can start at 90 and work your way up, because there is absolutely no chance we won't be one of the worst ten teams in baseball. And I get that ten teams don't lose 90 every year, but, again, we will be considerably worse.

 

[pittdan77]

There's almost no difference between 0.500 and 120 losses when it comes to the perception of this club in my eyes. It would be easier on everyone if they lost 120 because at least it would be mildly entertaining. Coming close and just missing is painful and gutless because we all know they wouldn't do anything to put them over the top. Watching everyone lose their minds about it because they suddenly expect something different has gotten old.

 

[wbrpanther]

It’s damn near impossible to have someone like Jacob stallings as a starting mlb catcher too but we apparently found a way. Do not underestimate this team, we can surely lose 120 games.

Jacob Stallings isn't Johnny Bench but if his father wasn't Kevin Stallings you wouldn't be that down on him. He isn't as bad as you make him out to be. Typical Yinzer hate a guy for the sins of the father.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Jacob Stallings isn't Johnny Bench but if his father wasn't Kevin Stallings you wouldn't be that down on him. He isn't as bad as you make him out to be. Typical Yinzer hate a guy for the sins of the father.

He’s awful but yes, the fact that I root for the opposing pitcher to actuelly throw at his head every time he’s at bat is due largely to his father.

If his dad wasn’t who he is, I’d simply shake my head seeing him as our starting catcher but would not root for a bean ball.

 

[wbrpanther]

He’s awful but yes, the fact that I root for the opposing pitcher to actuelly throw at his head every time he’s at bat is due largely to his father.

If his dad wasn’t who he is, I’d simply shake my head seeing him as our starting catcher but would not root for a bean ball.

That's quite mature of you.

 

[wbrpanther]

I'm going to be optimistic and say 89. Losing record for sure but I think the NL Central is pretty soft.

I am going with 70 -92. And if the pitching staff gets to average, even better.

 

[Pitt79]

Who watches that crap? Last game I watched on TV was 2015 wild card loss, and I did go to a game in 2017 to get drunk.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

That's quite mature of you.

Thank you. I too am proud of how I’m becoming more reasonable in my advancing age.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Who watches that crap? Last game I watched on TV was 2015 wild card loss, and I did go to a game in 2017 to get drunk.

You went to a mlb game to get drunk? Wise choice. Those 9 dollar colors lights are really economical.

 

[Pitt79]

You went to a mlb game to get drunk? Wise choice. Those 9 dollar colors lights are really economical.

I'm rich, I'm a federal employee! LOL

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Who watches that crap? Last game I watched on TV was 2015 wild card loss, and I did go to a game in 2017 to get drunk.

This adds nothing to the conversation, so if you don't like baseball, stay out.

 

[Pitt79]

This adds nothing to the conversation, so if you don't like baseball, stay out.

No, I just enjoy hating on baseball, the worst sport in the world.

 

[pittbb80]

My OP predicting 120 losses was admittedly over the top as I was simply making a case for how bad this team will be this year. They may not be '62 Mets bad but are how far way are they from the 2003 Tigers or the 2018 Orioles?

Most Major League Baseball (MLB) Season Losses

1. Cleveland Spiders - 1899 - 134.
2. New York Mets - 1962 - 120.
3. Detroit Tigers - 2003 - 119.
4. Philadelphia Athletics - 1916 - 117.
5. Baltimore Orioles - 2018 - 115.
6. Boston Braves - 1935 - 115.
7. Washington Senators - 1904 - 113.
8. Pittsburg Alleghenys - 1890 - 113.