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agree! For this franchise to win a title, it will take a real owner, not this joker. Check ownership of the Steelers and Pens where winning isn't everything IT IS THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT! Nutsack, not so much.JOKE!
I thought you checked out of the other thread because you knew you were wrong. I guess not!LOL. What, y'all didn't get enough attention once all the intelligent people checked out of the other thread?
I hope you are intelligent enough to find a way to enjoy watching your buccos the rest of the season. But you would have to be a super genius to figure a way to enjoy that garbage! As a defender of Nutsack, you have already proven your lack of intellect!
Have a kielbasa and a bobblehead! They'll make all the pain go way....Nutsack says so.I'm not really defending anybody. The Pirates are small market. Always have been, always will be. Doesn't matter who the owner is.
My expectation is for them to operate in an optimum fashion for a small market team.
That others are stupid enough to equate payroll to trying isn't my problem. Payroll is the comfort blanket of the feeble minded, and that's okay, but there's no logic in "yeah the Pirates did something stupid but at least they tried". People have literally said that about the Penguins. That's the IQ of the people you're aligning yourself with. Doing something stupid isn't trying. It's duping the idiot sector of your consumer base.
And, with that, I'm once again out. Y'all have fun pretending like spending = wins even when the r^2 value between the two is a paltry 0.16. Don't forget, the 4 highest paid players on the Pirates this year are Liriano, Cutch, Niese, and a one-inning relief pitcher.
I have been a Pirate fan since I was a kid and I will continue to be. I realize they are a small market team and the odds are stacked against them. I even agree with you that spending is not a guarantee to winning a title.I'm not really defending anybody. The Pirates are small market. Always have been, always will be. Doesn't matter who the owner is.
My expectation is for them to operate in an optimum fashion for a small market team.
That others are stupid enough to equate payroll to trying isn't my problem. Payroll is the comfort blanket of the feeble minded, and that's okay, but there's no logic in "yeah the Pirates did something stupid but at least they tried". People have literally said that about the Penguins. That's the IQ of the people you're aligning yourself with. Doing something stupid isn't trying. It's duping the idiot sector of your consumer base.
And, with that, I'm once again out. Y'all have fun pretending like spending = wins even when the r^2 value between the two is a paltry 0.16. Don't forget, the 4 highest paid players on the Pirates this year are Liriano, Cutch, Niese, and a one-inning relief pitcher.
It went to Miami:One should ask where Searage's magic went. The pitching is holding you back more than economics
One should ask where Searage's magic went. The pitching is holding you back more than economics
Not in heaven at all. If you and your coterie of yinzers knew anything about BB, you would have seen this coming. Nutsack gave you three years to revel in the boobie prize. You don't fill holes in the team and the team gets worse-simple as that. He had a chance to build the Pirates into a championship team and he blew because he wanted to protect his wallet. By his estimation, you should be happy for another 25 years...after all you still will receive the bobbleheads and kielbasa, which is more important to folks like you in any event. I want a championship, not kielbasa and bobbleheads. Nutting depends on gullible folks like you. Nutting's a bum!Del and td isthman are in heaven. It's been a tough 4 years for them seeing the buccos win. Finally they get a chance to gloat.
I'm not really defending anybody. The Pirates are small market. Always have been, always will be. Doesn't matter who the owner is.
My expectation is for them to operate in an optimum fashion for a small market team.
That others are stupid enough to equate payroll to trying isn't my problem. Payroll is the comfort blanket of the feeble minded, and that's okay, but there's no logic in "yeah the Pirates did something stupid but at least they tried". People have literally said that about the Penguins. That's the IQ of the people you're aligning yourself with. Doing something stupid isn't trying. It's duping the idiot sector of your consumer base.
And, with that, I'm once again out. Y'all have fun pretending like spending = wins even when the r^2 value between the two is a paltry 0.16. Don't forget, the 4 highest paid players on the Pirates this year are Liriano, Cutch, Niese, and a one-inning relief pitcher.
So predictable....roller coaster man. Things are great until reality can't be any longer rejected.Well if the plan is to turn every broken down pitcher into a Cy Young candidate, it is the equivalent of playing the Powerball as your retirement plan. That is too much on Searage. He is a great coach, but he is not a miracle worker. They gave him nothing this year to work with.
Not in heaven at all. If you and your coterie of yinzers knew anything about BB, you would have seen this coming. Nutsack gave you three years to revel in the boobie prize. You don't fill holes in the team and the team gets worse-simple as that. He had a chance to build the Pirates into a championship team and he blew because he wanted to protect his wallet. By his estimation, you should be happy for another 25 years...after all you still will receive the bobbleheads and kielbasa, which is more important to folks like you in any event. I want a championship, not kielbasa and bobbleheads. Nutting depends on gullible folks like you. Nutting's a bum!
So predictable....roller coaster man. Things are great until reality can't be any longer rejected.
I have been a Pirate fan since I was a kid and I will continue to be. I realize they are a small market team and the odds are stacked against them. I even agree with you that spending is not a guarantee to winning a title.
I simply do not trust and really do not like this ownership. Considering the small market and coupling it with the ownership I just feel like there is just to much to overcome to produce a winner. I am worried that the window they had is closing and we will be very mediocre team for a while here.
Perhaps the last 3 years were an example of them executing at the optimum level. Maybe you are right, maybe it doesn't even matter who the owner is. I know one thing, and it is unlikely ever to happen. Baseball needs a salary cap and needs to be operated so that every team has an equal chance. At that point, we would know for sure whether Nutsack is the problem or not.
once I find out what "coterie" means, I will be using this expression quite often.. Maybe I give you credit, maybe not but "Coterior of yinzers" has a nice ring to it, despite this being at my expense..Not in heaven at all. If you and your coterie of yinzers knew anything about BB, you would have seen this coming. Nutsack gave you three years to revel in the boobie prize. You don't fill holes in the team and the team gets worse-simple as that. He had a chance to build the Pirates into a championship team and he blew because he wanted to protect his wallet. By his estimation, you should be happy for another 25 years...after all you still will receive the bobbleheads and kielbasa, which is more important to folks like you in any event. I want a championship, not kielbasa and bobbleheads. Nutting depends on gullible folks like you. Nutting's a bum!
I think nutting is a multi millionaire playing a game of no limit poker with a bunch of billionaires.. The "margin of error" is much smaller. It's like going out bar hopping with 20 bucks, while all your buddies have their parents credit cards.. You got to pick and choose your opportunities, pound a 6 pack before you leave house, drink bottom rail bourbon while your buddies are doing top shelf, sneak a couple beers in and chug in the bathroom to avoid $6 dollar beer night.I don't believe in the whole Nuttings only care about a profit and not winning. I think that is just a simple excuse for the simple minded.
What I do believe is that this management team, after 3 years of making some really good calls, royally f'd up their pitching and depth this year by making some bad signings and leaving open some glaring holes. Relying on Jay Hay, while not being bad, to be the everyday second baseman was a bad move IMO. He is a great roving guy that can give the starters a break w/o losing a beat. You lose that when he is an everyday guy, which then screws up the bench.
As for pitching, it is garbage. Unless there was a plan for both Tailon and Glasnow to be up here by mid season, they screwed that up bad. They made similar moves the last 3 years that worked out, but this year missed. And that is on the GM.
People compare this ownership to the Pens and Steelers, but they have the luxuary of playing on a level playing field. People forget that with the current Pens ownership, the team was absolute garbage in the early 2000s when there was no cap. We got lucky and hit the Sid lottery and are able to match any team in what we can pay for him, unlike the old days when the Rangers or Flyers would swoop in and just pay an unbelievable contract for these types of players.
I think nutting is a multi millionaire playing a game of no limit poker with a bunch of billionaires.. The "margin of error" is much smaller. It's like going out bar hopping with 20 bucks, while all your buddies have their parents credit cards.. You got to pick and choose your opportunities, pound a 6 pack before you leave house, drink bottom rail bourbon while your buddies are doing top shelf, sneak a couple beers in and chug in the bathroom to avoid $6 dollar beer night.
ZACK G would have looked good here not Zona
I don't believe in the whole Nuttings only care about a profit and not winning. I think that is just a simple excuse for the simple minded.
What I do believe is that this management team, after 3 years of making some really good calls, royally f'd up their pitching and depth this year by making some bad signings and leaving open some glaring holes. Relying on Jay Hay, while not being bad, to be the everyday second baseman was a bad move IMO. He is a great roving guy that can give the starters a break w/o losing a beat. You lose that when he is an everyday guy, which then screws up the bench.
As for pitching, it is garbage. Unless there was a plan for both Tailon and Glasnow to be up here by mid season, they screwed that up bad. They made similar moves the last 3 years that worked out, but this year missed. And that is on the GM.
People compare this ownership to the Pens and Steelers, but they have the luxuary of playing on a level playing field. People forget that with the current Pens ownership, the team was absolute garbage in the early 2000s when there was no cap. We got lucky and hit the Sid lottery and are able to match any team in what we can pay for him, unlike the old days when the Rangers or Flyers would swoop in and just pay an unbelievable contract for these types of players.
damn, you are actually right. well kind of.. he's the 10th wealthiest owner, actually is a billionaire.. my poor man sitting at high stakes poker table analogy is shot to hell. My "bar hopping with 20 bucks" analogy never really made sense in the first place so that's good..Nutting is one if the wealthiest owners , this is insane , you people allow this.
Del, you can't win a drinking contest with Koolaid sippers.Not in heaven at all. If you and your coterie of yinzers knew anything about BB, you would have seen this coming. Nutsack gave you three years to revel in the boobie prize. You don't fill holes in the team and the team gets worse-simple as that. He had a chance to build the Pirates into a championship team and he blew because he wanted to protect his wallet. By his estimation, you should be happy for another 25 years...after all you still will receive the bobbleheads and kielbasa, which is more important to folks like you in any event. I want a championship, not kielbasa and bobbleheads. Nutting depends on gullible folks like you. Nutting's a bum!
Nutting is one if the wealthiest owners , this is insane , you people allow this.
Momentum in baseball goes as far as your starting pitcher for the next game. The Pirates did not count on Cole being both average and on the DL or that Liriano would struggle after having rebounded. But the next two starters were iffy. Neise has been decent....Locke has been a nightmare.I'm not a fan of Nutting or The Best Management Team In Baseball. At all. That said, a good portion of the Pirates' hard times so far in 2016 is what we used to call "That's Baseball". Which is to say, the larger forces of The Game affect every team, sooner or later.
Things like a rash of injuries, a couple of pitchers having off-years, a torrid division rival, your other contenders improving or bouncing back from subpar years. It isn't always about the Pirates and what they do or fail to do. Also, if you look at trends, it is extremely rare for a team to boost its win total for more than 2-3 seasons as the Bucs have done. Regression is inevitable.
Sometimes get inside that bubble and overlook the other variables. And some years just go to Hell early.
A team with a very deep farm system like the Cardinals could overcome all those injuries last year and still win 100 games. Pittsburgh's farm system isn't there yet. Now, it remains to be seen if the Pirates will stay the course this year and battle for a wild card or fall out of the race completely, in which case they could be sellers in a couple of weeks. Ownership's MO gives little reason to believe that it will spend drastically to redirect a season heading in the wrong direction.
The last 3 years could have been better had Nutting plugged key holes in his lineup. He fielded teams for the better part of these three years that were short on run production and had major holes at first and third base and right field. Notwithstanding their regular season successes the last 3 years the Pirates had fundamental flaws that weren't addressed- the reason- Nutting was happy just to compete and wouldn't go the extra mile to supplement the roster to make it championship caliber.Momentum in baseball goes as far as your starting pitcher for the next game. The Pirates did not count on Cole being both average and on the DL or that Liriano would struggle after having rebounded. But the next two starters were iffy. Neise has been decent....Locke has been a nightmare.
The middle relief is awful.
Cutch is mired in what I think is an off year (that's baseball...it happened to # 21 it can happen to anyone).
They have their 8th string catcher and they and everyone else has run into the CUBS who are on an historical path.
This is where crossed fingers (failure to get appropriate starting pitching and hoping guys spin straw into gold) and "that's baseball" (Cutch slump, catcher injuries, Cole injury, CUBS) collide.
The measure of Nutting will be the rest of this season and the off season. Pittsburgh could do some trading at or near the deadline that would be meaningful.
Blaming it all on Nutting ignores the last 3 years. That is how I see it.
I don't disagree but I am certain that how the present situation is handled will tell me all I want to know about the value of the Nuttings' as owners.The last 3 years could have been better had Nutting plugged key holes in his lineup. He fielded teams for the better part of these three years that were short on run production and had major holes at first and third base and right field. Notwithstanding their regular season successes the last 3 years the Pirates had fundamental flaws that weren't addressed- the reason- Nutting was happy just to compete and wouldn't go the extra mile to supplement the roster to make it championship caliber.
JOKE!
I have been a Pirate fan since I was a kid and I will continue to be. I realize they are a small market team and the odds are stacked against them. I even agree with you that spending is not a guarantee to winning a title.
I simply do not trust and really do not like this ownership. Considering the small market and coupling it with the ownership I just feel like there is just to much to overcome to produce a winner. I am worried that the window they had is closing and we will be very mediocre team for a while here.
Perhaps the last 3 years were an example of them executing at the optimum level. Maybe you are right, maybe it doesn't even matter who the owner is. I know one thing, and it is unlikely ever to happen. Baseball needs a salary cap and needs to be operated so that every team has an equal chance. At that point, we would know for sure whether Nutsack is the problem or not.