Originally posted by rpost3:
Originally posted by pittiswhereiamfrom:
The Irish and Italians were never criticized?
How were they even worse?
They were definitely "criticized" in a similar fashion by the right wingers of their day.
The Italians favorite games were gang warfare consisting of bombings, machine gun drive byes, and extortion and kidnap-for-ransom of people not even involved in organized crime. They were often front page news in major US cities in the late 19th and early 20th century for kidnapping people and mailing pieces of their skin to family members until they got their ransom money. Those stories are all over the Pittsburgh Press' online Google archives. I'd say the Italians initiated the
No Snitching culture here, but the patriots of the 1700s and Irish of the 1800s beat them to it.
The Irish were more hated, probably because there were more of them, they were more rambunctious, and they got an earlier start here. Whole political movements evolved from the public's racism toward the Irish. Politicians ran on platforms of deporting the Irish and keeping America
"American." Luckily they arrived in such huge numbers during the famine and bred so often that they were able to eventually gain power through sheer numbers via Tammany Hall.
And btw, it wasn't the free black people that injured thousands and killed over 100 people in Manhattan in response to being drafted to fight for the North during the Civil War while those with $300 (about $5,000 in today's value) could buy their way out of service. It was the Irish. They burned down an orphanage, among other buildings. And they actually charged Northern troops who had to march to NYC from Gettysburg immediately after fighting Robert E Lee's boys for 3 days because the Irish defeated the NYPD and took over most of the island with nobody to stop them. The riot went on for 4.5 days. And that was just the major one. Their main targets were who they blamed for the Civil War - rich people, the government, and blacks. 90% of the black population fled Manhattan after that and never returned. Better off in the Bronx and Brooklyn than getting strung up by a pack of Paddies.
Lets just say it didn't help the Irish image here and abroad. They were routinely depicted as uncouth gorillas dressed like leprechauns and waving whiskey in countless political cartoons that also exist in Google's news archives. A Harpers Weekly editorial from described the Irish as an unappreciative lot who've thanked America for its generosity (lol) with superstition, crime and ignorance...citing a statistic describing 75% of criminals in America as Irish.
They eventually bred so much that they were able to vote their way into city hall and hence police forces. Once they held office, they were able to set policies that benefited their people instead of leaving them to rot.
Funny how it all comes back to poverty and squalor.
I'm Irish/Italian btw, which is how I found myself in this niche hobby. I don't get my info from radio windbags, hate websites or randomly drawn conclusions. I've read hundreds of editorials and news accounts about the Irish and Italians (and early colonists) in America and have picked through at least 50 books . Several are free online via Google Books. Many can be found for under $8 in used bookstores.
This post was edited on 2/10 4:54 PM by rpost3
Sorry. I am not buying the narrative of just mindless shooting as being a condition of poverty. If it involved a robbery, maybe. But it is typical liberal narrative that tries and make an excuse for a group of people that seem to not have any control of themselves nor their emotions. Why does being poor mean you should own a gun? What is the connection and reason? Bull crap.
And Italians and Irish...give me a break. What also happened to the Italians and Irish? They worked to assimilate through the stereotypes to become constructive parts of sociery.
EVERY group has been disrespected, have been judged against, have been stereotyped to varying degrees, that doesn't give any group the right and carte blanche to just take it out to turn the streets into Deadwood and the OK Corral because someone looked at you wrong.
It is BS. Complete and utter BS. Doesn't matter if it is an African American kid, or a goofy, nerdy white kid who is disrespected and bullied. The problem is, the latter is big new, leafing off the news, and has op/ed columns written ad nauseum, the former almost expected, a dog bites man type of story. Isn't this wrong?
And to the African American community who cries out for equality, aren't you guys tired of the liberal narrative that suggest that you in fact aren't equal, that you need special rules and consideration to succeed in this world? Cause that ain't equality.
And to the same community, one white cop shooting a black kid can evoke 1000's of people protesting in anger, while 1000's of black kids shooting a black kid evokes absolutely nothing from your community and its so called "leaders".
Nope. No way. I don't think MLK was dreaming of a society like this. Where black on black crime is not just accepted, but excused by the white intelligentsia.
And I know, even someone like me bringing this up will comes with the risk of being labeled a "racist" and that is the type of liberal terrorism that now exists, holding people's opinions and outrages hostage in the name of being politically correct. I do believe it in equality. And I would like to believe that he African American community would stop accepting these excuses and stop buying into the narrative and taking care of their own communities.
One final note comrade rpost, commenting on this and criticizing this group is not "hate". Will you guys stop with this crap? You are again of one those liberal elites who live in the suburbs and "studies" the plight of the bourgeoisie, and come up with your reasons that it is everyone elses fault.
Here's a clue to those suffering poverty, GO TO SCHOOL! GO TO SCHOOL! STUDY! STUDY HARDER! GO TO COLLEGE! DON'T DROP OUT!! The difference in the long past, there was REAL poverty where kids had to drop out to work in the fields or sweatshops to help support. With all the social programs now, that is almost gone. GO TO SCHOOL! STUDY! DON'T DROP OUT! It might not make you rich, but that is the key, the building blocks, the steps to a better life. Doesn't matter if you are from the mean streets of Homewood, or the Appalachian trailer parks of West Virginia and Greene County. There is a blueprint. But the Liberal Elite have already determined you can't compete with the other parts of society, so drop out, shoot, go at it, it is not your fault. Yeah, that is really helpful and uplifting isn't it?
No excuses for not GOING TO SCHOOL! STUDY! There will always be groups that have an advantage. Hell, there are groups that have an advantage over me. That is not an excuse for me saying "aww eff it, that rich kid with the Roman Numeral at the end of his name gets to go to Harvard with lesser grades.." So what. We all face people who discriminate against us, we all have people who have built in advantages over us, that is no excuse to act like a societal pariah and just take from the community. Bull Crap! Sorry.
This post was edited on 2/11 8:26 AM by recruitsreadtheseboards
