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Green new deal
Single payer healthcare
Education

You’re for these things, correct?
Am I for education?
Who is against it?

Am I supportive of Medicare?
Yep

Green new deal is only a concept with no actual policies put together- so no opinions until it’s fleshed out.
But very happy a dem president can declare a national emergency to fund it, even if Congress specifically says no.
 
Free markets in education and medicine are better than your government solution.

And good luck getting every building in this country retrofitted before the courts overturn your dem President.

Free markets in education, eh?
Okay. It’s working exceptionally to drive down college costs while delivering higher quality!

Tell the boomers no government funded Medicare for them- cool with me.

Courts overturning an invented national emergency? Impossible!

Take my earlier advice - Better to remain silent then rely on tropes.
 
Free markets in education, eh?
Okay. It’s working exceptionally to drive down college costs while delivering higher quality!

Tell the boomers no government funded Medicare for them- cool with me.

Courts overturning an invented national emergency? Impossible!

Take my earlier advice - Better to remain silent then rely on tropes.
Typical confused bull

You’d be fine w gubimint running everything

The Big Socialist Lie.
 
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Trump has done so many things that liberals should embrace, but their hatred clouds their vision.

I mean? Think about it. Because he wants a wall, they say walls don’t work. And they truly have convinced themselves that walls don’t work. They lose all logic.

Republicans didn’t want a wall until Trump said he was going to build one. Now they have convinced themselves that not only will it work, that they can’t live without out and are in fact in grave danger. In other words, they lost all logic.
 
Kordell was loved in this town, until he continued to fail time and again as a qb. Pittsburghers have shown much more venom towards bad qbs then slash. Remember mark malone? stoudt? brister? they recieved way more animosity than kordell.

Im not sure on that. I dont remember the gay rumors stsrted with anyone other than kordell. I mean cmon there was a rumor kordell was giving a guy head in his car at schenley park. Kordell had his flaws brister was the only one of the three that might touch half his stats. All 3 of those guys were well past horrible
 
Im not sure on that. I dont remember the gay rumors stsrted with anyone other than kordell. I mean cmon there was a rumor kordell was giving a guy head in his car at schenley park. Kordell had his flaws brister was the only one of the three that might touch half his stats. All 3 of those guys were well past horrible
Bubby was revered.
Hell people embraced Tommy Maddox because he wasn’t kordell.
 
Bubby was revered.
Hell people embraced Tommy Maddox because he wasn’t kordell.
Revered? People hated brister. Maddox was welcomed cause he was an upgrade over Kent graham. Neil O’Donnell took us to the super bowl and he knew better than to step back in Pittsburgh after a rough SB performance.

We are tough on qbs, white or black. But keep up Making a racial issue where there isn’t one, that’s def your thing.
 
Republicans didn’t want a wall until Trump said he was going to build one. Now they have convinced themselves that not only will it work, that they can’t live without out and are in fact in grave danger. In other words, they lost all logic.
I’m done with this thread after this post, as I refuse to have an honest discussion with someone whose replies are akin to “I know you are but what am I”. Go back to the playground, junior, and stick to steeler discussion. I don’t care what republicans want. I don’t care what the Donald wants. There’s 1000 reasons why we need better border security. The experts who work on the border want walls. I’ll listen to them. Dems are fighting it because they want votes to come across the border, at the expense of our security. They don’t care about you. They just want power.
 
Republicans didn’t want a wall until Trump said he was going to build one. Now they have convinced themselves that not only will it work, that they can’t live without out and are in fact in grave danger. In other words, they lost all logic.
And dems were fine with increased border security and tougher immigration laws when Clinton and Obama said it. Now that trump said it, only now is it racist.

Bill, Hillary and ibamasaid the same crap that trump is saying now and not a whisper at the time. That’s illlgical.
 
Revered? People hated brister. Maddox was welcomed cause he was an upgrade over Kent graham. Neil O’Donnell took us to the super bowl and he knew better than to step back in Pittsburgh after a rough SB performance.

We are tough on qbs, white or black. But keep up Making a racial issue where there isn’t one, that’s def your thing.
Maddox was accepted because he started strong. He came in and gave us glimpses of a passing game that we had not seen in a while. Bubby wasn’t liked, Graham wasn’t liked. Cliff Stout was only liked when he was the 3rd string QB, then he was hated. Bradshaw was not treated well. And Neil couldn’t get out of this town fast enough. But none of that matters, because you know who here only wants it to be about one thing.
 
Souf was manufacturing fake racism before Jussie Smollett was. Lol. If things are so bad, why the need to fake it? Souf’s new handle is Souffie Smollett.
he reminded me of that white chick in the naacp who told everyone she was black and hates white people, Rachel Dolezal or something like that. Souf's the male version of her.
 
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Trump is pushing to ban all anti homophobic laws, much to the disdain of several Islamic countries in Middle East. There are literally countries where being gay is against the law. Trump trying to change that.


What in the world does a liberal do here?

The Trump administration is only pushing for it [now] as an attempt to isolate Iran, since their attempts last week to do so in Poland failed spectacularly.

You haven't and won't see much effort domestically, because he'd risk losing the Evangelicals.

Trump has done so many things that liberals should embrace, but their hatred clouds their vision.

I mean? Think about it. Because he wants a wall, they say walls don’t work. And they truly have convinced themselves that walls don’t work. They lose all logic.

Such as?
Steps towards Criminal Justice reform are about the only thing. Which as ironic, given how he presents a Tough on Crime mantra.

As for the wall, Trump was offered $25 billion last summer, remember. And he initially accepted. But then the Great Dealmaker listened to Stephen Miller, the Freedom Caucus, and the other kooks and then decided to kill it.
People don't like to negotiate with a bad faith negotiator.

Just look at the state of the union address. He literally went back and forth showing support on issues that Dems normally embrace and what cons normally embrace. Yet he couldn’t get smiles and approvals from the Dems. They don’t want to give the impression that he is actually reaching across the aisle. It kills their narrative.

Again, such as?
"Rejecting the politics of revenge", even though he just orchestrated the longest shutdown in history because he refused to compromise.

"I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but...do so legally", even though his administration has actively worked to also cut legal immigration.

How he pledged to lower the cost of health care and protect preexisting conditions, even though his policies have caused 7 million people to lose health insurance, and how he tried to get legislation passed to end protections for preexisting conditions

How an infrastructure bill is "not an option" but "a necessity", even though it's been Infrastructure Week every week for two years now, with nothing to show.


Mostly because he speaks exclusively in lies -
And has done nothing in practice and execution to indicate he’s anything but a right wing nut
Yep.
He's quite good at throwing raw meat towards his base.

Let's not forget that Trump hated the speech, and actually wanted it to be meaner to Democrats, before being convinced otherwise.

Free markets in education and medicine are better than your government solution.

And good luck getting every building in this country retrofitted before the courts overturn your dem President.

The irony being, that a free market health care plan was passed in 2010 - The Affordable Care Act. Republicans spent 7 years trying to get rid of it. As if they had spent as much effort trying to improve it and make it work as they did trying to cripple and kill it, there wouldn't be a push for Medicare for All.
 
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It's kind of sad that there can't be a constructive debate about football without a couple of assholes slinging stupid political catch phrases when they run out of cogent thoughts. Sad.
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The Trump administration is only pushing for it [now] as an attempt to isolate Iran, since their attempts last week to do so in Poland failed spectacularly.

You haven't and won't see much effort domestically, because he'd risk losing the Evangelicals.



Such as?
Steps towards Criminal Justice reform are about the only thing. Which as ironic, given how he presents a Tough on Crime mantra.

As for the wall, Trump was offered $25 billion last summer, remember. And he initially accepted. But then the Great Dealmaker listened to Stephen Miller, the Freedom Caucus, and the other kooks and then decided to kill it.
People don't like to negotiate with a bad faith negotiator.



Again, such as?
"Rejecting the politics of revenge", even though he just orchestrated the longest shutdown in history because he refused to compromise.

"I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but...do so legally", even though his administration has actively worked to also cut legal immigration.

How he pledged to lower the cost of health care and protect preexisting conditions, even though his policies have caused 7 million people to lose health insurance, and how he tried to get legislation passed to end protections for preexisting conditions

How an infrastructure bill is "not an option" but "a necessity", even though it's been Infrastructure Week every week for two years now, with nothing to show.



Yep.
He's quite good at throwing raw meat towards his base.

Let's not forget that Trump hated the speech, and actually wanted it to be meaner to Democrats, before being convinced otherwise.



The irony being, that a free market health care plan was passed in 2010 - The Affordable Care Act. Republicans spent 7 years trying to get rid of it. As if they had spent as much effort trying to improve it and make it work as they did trying to cripple and kill it, there wouldn't be a push for Medicare for All.
This is a great post. I mean that. I can start to put my rebuttal together, but there are so many things to address that by the time I do, this thread is going to get axed and I will have wasted too much time putting it together. This is exhibit A why there should be a locker room so that this discussion can be had without bothering other people who could care less about politics. Your respectful debate deserves a response.
 
This is a great post. I mean that. I can start to put my rebuttal together, but there are so many things to address that by the time I do, this thread is going to get axed and I will have wasted too much time putting it together. This is exhibit A why there should be a locker room so that this discussion can be had without bothering other people who could care less about politics. Your respectful debate deserves a response.
we should all be nice to CMUPitt fan, tell him nice things and maybe he'll let us all have our locker room board back. Anyone know if he likes flowers or chocolates?
 
we should all be nice to CMUPitt fan, tell him nice things and maybe he'll let us all have our locker room board back. Anyone know if he likes flowers or chocolates?
Serious question...Who manufactures the best chocolates in Western Pa?
 
And dems were fine with increased border security and tougher immigration laws when Clinton and Obama said it. Now that trump said it, only now is it racist.

Bill, Hillary and ibamasaid the same crap that trump is saying now and not a whisper at the time. That’s illlgical.

If the dems were fine with it when Clinton and Obama said it, why didn't it happen? Did Republicans not want it at that time? Hmmmm
 
Serious question...Who manufactures the best chocolates in Western Pa?
Sarris. Hands down.

We sent a shipment of chocolates to my daughters soccer team several states away and they couldn’t believe how good it was. We are now taking additional orders for more chocolate. We opened up Pandora’s box.
 
I’m done with this thread after this post, as I refuse to have an honest discussion with someone whose replies are akin to “I know you are but what am I”. Go back to the playground, junior, and stick to steeler discussion. I don’t care what republicans want. I don’t care what the Donald wants. There’s 1000 reasons why we need better border security. The experts who work on the border want walls. I’ll listen to them. Dems are fighting it because they want votes to come across the border, at the expense of our security. They don’t care about you. They just want power.

Like I said, dummies didn't care about the wall until Donald said we needed one.
 
Like I said, dummies didn't care about the wall until Donald said we needed one.
conservatives didn't care about border security and illegal immigration until trump brought it up? You really think that?

Hey guys, if anyone has a few minutes, can you help Jtown, he seems to have lost all his marbles..
 
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Revered? People hated brister. Maddox was welcomed cause he was an upgrade over Kent graham. Neil O’Donnell took us to the super bowl and he knew better than to step back in Pittsburgh after a rough SB performance.

We are tough on qbs, white or black. But keep up Making a racial issue where there isn’t one, that’s def your thing.

exactly. Souf probably too young to remember Cliff Stoudt and the treatment he got. Hell people bought Mauler tickets when he jumped to the USFL just to pelt him with snowballs. Mark Malone got it just as bad. Remember someone drove up a ramp at three rivers and crashed into a vat of nacho cheese? They asked him why he did it and he said he was tired of Malone's passing. When Kordell was slash he was loved by all. He was a terrible QB, same as stoudt, malone, O'donnell.
 
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And dems were fine with increased border security and tougher immigration laws when Clinton and Obama said it. Now that trump said it, only now is it racist.

Bill, Hillary and ibamasaid the same crap that trump is saying now and not a whisper at the time. That’s illlgical.

conservatives didn't care about border security and illegal immigration until trump brought it up? You really think that?

Hey guys, if anyone has a few minutes, can you help Jtown, he seems to have lost all his marbles..

If, as you posted, dems were fine with increased border security and tougher immigration laws when Clinton and Obama said it, where's the wall and those tougher laws? The Republicans must have blocked them. That's how politics work today. When your party is in power, you ultimately get nothing done and conveniently blame the other side for everything. Many Republicans, in fact, appear to be more miserable now then they were when Obama was president.
 
IMany Republicans, in fact, appear to be more miserable now then they were when Obama was president.
republicans were miserable when Obama was in office, we just couldn't have public protests every day about anything and everything cause we had to work..
 
Souf was manufacturing fake racism before Jussie Smollett was. Lol. If things are so bad, why the need to fake it? Souf’s new handle is Souffie Smollett.
Quick reminder-
This was the original comment
I won’t argue that. That was 20 years ago. We all knew people who were prejudice against black QB’s. It was a real thing. But a majority of those people were the old generation that grew up differently than the way we grew up. Those people are dying off. And while today there are certainly people who have a problem with Tomlin because he’s black, they are very few and far between.

To recap- you acknowledge racism- it’s valid .
I contend your opinion that middle aged and older racist - who teach their kids their hate-
Are significantly lower today than 20 years ago-
I’d say is rather optimistic.


I quibble with the degree racial bias plays into motive from you - which you readily admit exists-

So you conclude I’m seeing things in black and white with ad hominens after ad hominems to evade any substance-
Which gets the exact reaction you want from your core constituency.

Perfect .
 
Certainly. But it has only gotten worse.
are people more upset now than 10, 20 40 years ago? I don't know, I think we see it more with a thousand news channels, social media.. People were always upset over politics, people were always upset at "the other side." it's just now, we all have a proverbial voice and we all have 400 channels on tv compared to watching the 6pm news and reading a newspaper..

People are people, same arguments, different decade/century. just now, we see it more. Hell, im getting break in news coverage about how some gay black dude on a show I've never heard of hired two dudes to beat him up. This is "breaking news" nowadays?

20 years ago, this would be on the cover of the national enquirer and you'd only hear about it while waiting in line at the grocery store, now it's live coverage on facebook and my phone is making bell noises because of it. We live in boring times..
 
1: Different game more reliant on RBsz
2: Better defense.
3: So what? Cowher should have drafted better.

I find this a profoundly unconvincing excuse.

Well......Ben went with the 11th pick overall.

And you know the "he won a Super Bowl with Cowher's players", well it sure seems like Tomlin's greatest season where with mostly Cowher's players. Sorry. Tomlin is an better than average coach who has been blessed by a HOF talent at QB, and a superior roster overall.

I do think the Steelers need to go back to looking at "character" when they draft guys.
 
Bubby was revered.
Hell people embraced Tommy Maddox because he wasn’t kordell.
Here's a thought, do you think people disliked Kordell because he was black or more because the rumors he was gay? I am thinking the latter. Jerome Bettis played at the same time, was black and was one of the most beloved athletes in city history.
 
before my time but if anyone really wanted to play the race card with Pittsburgh, they'd bring up clemente. Roberto, when he was playing, was (I've heard) portrayed in a very negative, racially stereotype, by fans and media.. many examples of his 'broken english' and accent being used to give the image that he was not intelligent (ridiculous in hindsight from someone that speaks two languages imo).

I think Joe Gilliam given a tiny window then having it closed abruptly for Bradshaw could have been racially motivated. again, before my time and obviously this guy had his own demons so not sure if that played a part in it..
 
Here's a thought, do you think people disliked Kordell because he was black or more because the rumors he was gay? I am thinking the latter. Jerome Bettis played at the same time, was black and was one of the most beloved athletes in city history.

For what it's worth, those rumors plagued Kordell well beyond his time with the Steelers. If you've ever been forced to watch the Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know that was a frequent topic brought up when his ex, Porsha Williams, first joined the show.
 
For what it's worth, those rumors plagued Kordell well beyond his time with the Steelers. If you've ever been forced to watch the Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know that was a frequent topic brought up when his ex, Porsha Williams, first joined the show.
he was interviewed locally here only a few months ago on The Fan, he was promoting something. He brought it up on his own and talked about it for like 5 minutes. everyone on this planet has forgotten about this 15 years ago and he still talks about it like it happened yesterday..

One of the most awkward interviews I ever heard. downright painful. my man needs to move on, everyone else has..
 
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