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OT: US OPEN qualifiers

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Pretty amazing story about a 17 year old kid (high achool junior) has now qualified for the Open when at the same time guys like Ricky Fowler, Max Homa and Zach Johnson will be sitting on the couch.

Mason Howell. 17 years old. From Georgia.

Truly remarkable
 
i shot a 90 at cedarbrook yesterday, dont think that's good enough to get me an invite. in my defense, i played the blues and was drinking heavily.

still an absolute abortion of a score on a course that is easy to score on.
 
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for the open, i am in the minority but i hope the rough isnt insanely high. i dont want to see a winning score of +7. i know it's US open and not the john deere classic where scores are 20 under but i want to see a winning score of around even.

you have a course that is TOO HARD then i think that takes some of the sunday drama out of it. where the winner is NOT the guy who makes a great shot but the guy who doesnt make the worst shot.

just my opinion.
 
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for the open, i am in the minority but i hope the rough isnt insanely high. i dont want to see a winning score of +7. i know it's US open and not the john deere classic where scores are 20 under but i want to see a winning score of around even.

you have a course that is TOO HARD then i think that takes some of the sunday drama out of it. where the winner is NOT the guy who makes a great shot but the guy who doesnt make the worst shot.

just my opinion.
See, I like watching the pros struggle because they don't handle it well. They're used to just having their way with courses. Oakmont makes them look human.
 
The rough is 6 inches high. That’s where it’s going to stand.

Also Tiger Woods kid didn’t qualify? LOL
 
See, I like watching the pros struggle because they don't handle it well. They're used to just having their way with courses. Oakmont makes them look human.
yeah, i think that's pretty much the consensus from most fans on the US Open. and i agree to a point.


i just dont want to see the guy who "screws up the least" win it. It gives it that "just coast to a win" feel vs going out and trying to make a great shot to win it.. but it's all subjective, maybe making a par at oakmont on sunday is "making a great shot".
 
yeah, i think that's pretty much the consensus from most fans on the US Open. and i agree to a point.


i just dont want to see the guy who "screws up the least" win it. It gives it that "just coast to a win" feel vs going out and trying to make a great shot to win it.. but it's all subjective, maybe making a par at oakmont on sunday is "making a great shot".
In any sport, I prefer to see the most aggressive player succeed. I don't know nearly enough about golf to understand how you set a course up to do that but that would be my preference.
 
In any sport, I prefer to see the most aggressive player succeed. I don't know nearly enough about golf to understand how you set a course up to do that but that would be my preference.
yeah and im not sure how aggressive you want to be on a course where if you land in the rough, you are looking at bogey "at best". but again, im a weekend hacker so what the hell do i know about winning the US Open..
 
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yeah, i think that's pretty much the consensus from most fans on the US Open. and i agree to a point.


i just dont want to see the guy who "screws up the least" win it. It gives it that "just coast to a win" feel vs going out and trying to make a great shot to win it.. but it's all subjective, maybe making a par at oakmont on sunday is "making a great shot".
I am fairly indifferent on how the course is set up. Regardless of whether it is set up easy and the winner shoots -17 or insanely difficult and the winner is +7, the best players almost always end up on top of the leaderboard. Scottie, Rory, Bryson, Morikawa, Aberg, and the other top guys tend to play better than everyone else no matter how the course is set up. I do think a more difficult set up favors the mentally tougher players so I expect Scottie will end up in the top five (at worst) and it could be a long week for Rory who tends to get down on himself and compound mistakes. I also think Bryson might be able to do what he did a few years ago when the rough was insane at Winged Foot and just hit it far enough that he was hitting wedge in so being in the rough didn't matter much compared to the guys that were hitting 7 irons out of the rough.
 
So......the rough is thick....and likely starting tomorrow running up to the tournament there is going to be alot of water. So the greens maybe more receptive, but it won't play as long. So obviously guys who can get it out there and are hitting lofted irons into the greens vs long irons/hybrids have the best shot.
 
I am fairly indifferent on how the course is set up. Regardless of whether it is set up easy and the winner shoots -17 or insanely difficult and the winner is +7, the best players almost always end up on top of the leaderboard. Scottie, Rory, Bryson, Morikawa, Aberg, and the other top guys tend to play better than everyone else no matter how the course is set up. I do think a more difficult set up favors the mentally tougher players so I expect Scottie will end up in the top five (at worst) and it could be a long week for Rory who tends to get down on himself and compound mistakes. I also think Bryson might be able to do what he did a few years ago when the rough was insane at Winged Foot and just hit it far enough that he was hitting wedge in so being in the rough didn't matter much compared to the guys that were hitting 7 irons out of the rough.
Bryson and Rory can hit the ball a mile, but can also seemingly be allergic to hitting fairways at times. It's a tournament where you'd be willing to sacrifice a little distance to keep it out of the rough. Bryson played pretty well in 2016 for a 22 year old, while Rory missed the cut. All of this to say, there may be some surprises near the top of the leaderboard, but I think Scottie ultimately gets it done. Dude is playing at a level right now we haven't seen in a while.
 
Bryson and Rory can hit the ball a mile, but can also seemingly be allergic to hitting fairways at times. It's a tournament where you'd be willing to sacrifice a little distance to keep it out of the rough. Bryson played pretty well in 2016 for a 22 year old, while Rory missed the cut. All of this to say, there may be some surprises near the top of the leaderboard, but I think Scottie ultimately gets it done. Dude is playing at a level right now we haven't seen in a while.
well yes but you still have to get it out there a bit too. being accurate but sacrificing 20 yards off the tee will make you hit some longer irons into what could be ridiculously hard and fast greens. now they are expecting rain this week so the greens may not be as hard as expected..

But still, i think it's over simplistic to just hit irons and a 3 wood off the tee and expect that to circumvent all the issues that oakmont's rough causes.

One reason i think Bryson and even someone like Rahm could do very well is they are strong enough to swing an iron thru this rough. not many pro golfers can..
 
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well yes but you still have to get it out there a bit too. being accurate but sacrificing 20 yards off the tee will make you hit some longer irons into what could be ridiculously hard and fast greens. now they are expecting rain this week so the greens may not be as hard as expected..

But still, i think it's over simplistic to just hit irons and a 3 wood off the tee and expect that to circumvent all the issues that oakmont's rough causes.

One reason i think Bryson and even someone like Rahm could do very well is they are strong enough to swing an iron thru this rough. not many pro golfers can..
Not saying they should keep their drivers in the bag, I just don't think Byrson should expect to win like he did last year if he only hits fairways at a 33% clip.
 
Not saying they should keep their drivers in the bag, I just don't think Byrson should expect to win like he did last year if he only hits fairways at a 33% clip.
yeah, that's not gonna get it done.. So basically to win this, you need to be long off tee, accurate off tee, strong enough to hit iron thru rough, great around greens cause they are lighting fast..

i mean, that's it right? oh and great out of the sand with these crazy bunkers.


on a side note, i've been watching these golf shows, everyone giving their predictions. one thing that keeps jumping out is if for some odd reason it ever quits raining this week, a dry course vs a wet one could be the difference of 7-8 strokes. that's how much having a soft green means to these guys. thats insane..

the "Experts" are saying that if the course dries out over the weekend and hardens up, the winner could be +7 or higher but if rains and stays soft, winner should be around even..

that's crazy to me but im not a pro golfer..
 
yeah, that's not gonna get it done.. So basically to win this, you need to be long off tee, accurate off tee, strong enough to hit iron thru rough, great around greens cause they are lighting fast..

i mean, that's it right? oh and great out of the sand with these crazy bunkers.


on a side note, i've been watching these golf shows, everyone giving their predictions. one thing that keeps jumping out is if for some odd reason it ever quits raining this week, a dry course vs a wet one could be the difference of 7-8 strokes. that's how much having a soft green means to these guys. thats insane..

the "Experts" are saying that if the course dries out over the weekend and hardens up, the winner could be +7 or higher but if rains and stays soft, winner should be around even..

that's crazy to me but im not a pro golfer..
Absolutely crazy. I'm praying the weekend rain holds off. I want it to be a blood bath out there.
 
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Absolutely crazy. I'm praying the weekend rain holds off. I want it to be a blood bath out there.
in all seriousness, how did that old fat slob Cabrera win it at oakmont like 10 years ago? what a bad day for golf, that clown being the Open winner..
 
Thursday and friday are hot, dry, mid 80s. so that's good. but rain on weekend so maybe they get murdered in early rounds and then score better in rd 3 and sunday..

who knows, tough to predict weather..
 
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Bryson and Rory can hit the ball a mile, but can also seemingly be allergic to hitting fairways at times. It's a tournament where you'd be willing to sacrifice a little distance to keep it out of the rough. Bryson played pretty well in 2016 for a 22 year old, while Rory missed the cut. All of this to say, there may be some surprises near the top of the leaderboard, but I think Scottie ultimately gets it done. Dude is playing at a level right now we haven't seen in a while.
Seems like Scottie has been playing at this level for a fairly long while now.
 
I'd be pulling for Shipley too, but I think the Korn Ferry tour takes the week of the US Open off.
What happened to him? I (obviously) don’t follow golf closely, but I thought he had a place on the Tour? Did he peak at last year’s Masters?

And in that case, are there any other locals to follow this week?
 
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What happened to him? I (obviously) don’t follow golf closely, but I thought he had a place on the Tour? Did he peak at last year’s Masters?

And in that case, are there any other locals to follow this week?


He's never had a tour card. He has played in a few tour events on sponsor exemptions. He is a regular member of the Korn Ferry tour. He is playing well enough that he is likely to get his tour card for next year. But, of course, still a lot of golf to play.

Edited to add, he did try to qualify for the Open, but he didn't make it.
 
in all seriousness, how did that old fat slob Cabrera win it at oakmont like 10 years ago? what a bad day for golf, that clown being the Open winner..
Probably in the same manner as his other 56 professional wins...more like 18 years ago at oakmont.
 
guys, this will not be an open, this will be a circus. expect nothing but a 4 day blooper reel. maybe some benny hill music in the back


 
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Sure looks like they’re overdoing it with the rough, turning it into a real golf test solely w/r to keeping it in the fairway and putting.
 
there appears to be some science behind getting this rough 5" from 2 1/2". commen sense tells you to just let it grow but then it flops over and really doesnt do anything as far as making it hard. you have to cut it for like a month at 3, then 3 1/2" and so on, for it to stand straight up like that..


So getting 5 or even 6" grass to stand straight up like that is a science.

interesting stuff.. being a greenskeeper at a major club would be a sweet gig but a 24/7/365 day job
 
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there appears to be some science behind getting this rough 5" from 2 1/2". commen sense tells you to just let it grow but then it flops over and really doesnt do anything as far as making it hard. you have to cut it for like a month at 3, then 3 1/2" and so on, for it to stand straight up like that..


So getting 5 or even 6" grass to stand straight up like that is a science.

interesting stuff.. being a greenskeeper at a major club would be a sweet gig but a 24/7/365 day job
Being a greens keeper at Oakmont is just that. In fact the guy that was at South Park (formerly at Oakmont) took the job because it was less hours from what I’m told. Being at Oakmont took over his life. He’s since moved on from what I understand but Oakmont is Oakmont for a reason. It’s a commitment.

As far as the rough, they sometimes do this and cut it down if it gets to be too much. Stating the obvious but you can always lessen it quickly. Not so much the other way.
 
guys, this will not be an open, this will be a circus. expect nothing but a 4 day blooper reel. maybe some benny hill music in the back


So....I mean to identify your ball when it is deep down like that, you are going to have to move some grass. Which inevitably may cause the ball to move. How many golf nerds watching on High Def TV's will be calling in to rules committee members saying "he made the golf ball move".
 
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Being a greens keeper at Oakmont is just that. In fact the guy that was at South Park (formerly at Oakmont) took the job because it was less hours from what I’m told. Being at Oakmont took over his life. He’s since moved on from what I understand but Oakmont is Oakmont for a reason. It’s a commitment.

As far as the rough, they sometimes do this and cut it down if it gets to be too much. Stating the obvious but you can always lessen it quickly. Not so much the other way.
Growing up and living close to Oakmont, I have friends that worked there as both caddies and as part of the greenskeeper crews.
 
Being a greens keeper at Oakmont is just that. In fact the guy that was at South Park (formerly at Oakmont) took the job because it was less hours from what I’m told. Being at Oakmont took over his life. He’s since moved on from what I understand but Oakmont is Oakmont for a reason. It’s a commitment.

As far as the rough, they sometimes do this and cut it down if it gets to be too much. Stating the obvious but you can always lessen it quickly. Not so much the other way.
that dude has done wonders for south park's course. my neighbors son actually works right under this guy. started out in public works then moved over to the golf course full time, reporting to this oakmont guy.. tee boxes are much nicer, greens are in good shape and fairways and rough are light years better than i remember what south park course was for decades...

only damn problem now is south park went to a tee time system and all these old F's around here horde all the tee times. they'll go on there and rserve them all in a big block so if you want to golf south park, you have to know a week in advance. which is BS.

i miss the days when you could just drive up, park your car, put your name down and worst case, wait 30 minutes. During the weekdays at least, obviously sundays and saturdays were different.

of course 4 years ago i was complaining that they need to go to a tee time online system. be careful what you wish for i guess..
 
So....I mean to identify your ball when it is deep down like that, you are going to have to move some grass. Which inevitably may cause the ball to move. How many golf nerds watching on High Def TV's will be calling in to rules committee members saying "he made the golf ball move".
They don’t take viewer calls any longer. Haven’t for a few years.
 
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