OT: Youth Travel Baseball
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No. You are the dumb one who continually moves the goalposts. First it was the average recreational marathoner. Then it was the 45 year old recreational marathoner. Now that your running friend said you are wrong, it's the "slow out of shape old people" marathoners.
Methinks that's a sign that you know you're wrong. Or that you have absolutely no self-awareness. Or both.
Do you think a pro soccer player could finish a marathon without training:
a) yes
b) no
I will take your non-answer to mean "yes."
I assume you are a trained fighter who can throw a punch but not a professional (or never was). That being the case, I would take a professional soccer player who was 25-30 years old who had 10 pounds on you. He would whip your ass.
Way to totally ignore my accurate portrayal of your “argument.”
I’ll answer maybe. Some probably can and some can’t. As someone who has run multiple marathons, others here are correct. It’s a specific skill that requires training.
I agree with you sometimes, but some of your assumptions are basically DUMB as well, like you think EVERY EPL player can do this, or that if you're good at one sport you'd be good at every sport, like as if it's guaranteed that LeBron would be in the EPL if he concentrated on soccer, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE of that. Maybe he'd suck at soccer or maybe he'd be good, like good enough to be backup GK for the Riverhounds. The dumbest thing you said was that if Lionel Messi grew up playing baseball he'd be a hall of fame 2B! LOL. Being the best soccer player in the world doesn't mean you can hit a curveball or turn a DP. There's no absolute correlations to any of this. There are recreational runners who could beat some EPL players in a marathon, and probably most wouldn't, but the EPL players job is to be in shape, so that's not surprising. I live in Baltimore, and the only place I see fat soccer players are in indoor soccer, when I've been to Baltimore Blast games. you might see a few chunky dudes there, but even there not many.
That’s where I am at. Some people just have a knack to remain patient and push through pain and discomfort. Some don’t. I’ve seen some really good athletes fail or struggle at long distance running because they go too hard or drop at the first sign of things not going their way.
No, you said they are in marathon shape. Per your friend’s optimistic time comment, they aren’t - and for good reason.
Plus, they are hyper-competitive. Great chance a bunch go out too fast and bonk.
Ok, you think some can and some cant. There are idiots on here that think no elite soccer player can run a marathon without training
Um, marathon-shape as in to complete a marathon. Where did I ever say these guys would be running elite times?
So, no different than some high school and almost all college rugby, lax, soccer, basketball, football skill position, wrestling, or field hockey athletes of either sex. Yes, this really speaks to their world class abilities, doesn’t it?
That's why in my post I noted "both physically and mentally". SMF just assumes that if it is theoretically possible that someone could run a marathon (based on the kind of shape they are in) that obviously they would be able to do so. And yet there are tons of people, people in just as good shape as your average soccer player, who fail to complete the race in pretty much every marathon ever run.
No matter how much SMF seems to think that it isn't so, there is more to running a marathon that just being in good shape.
Funny how we are using a marathon runner as the measure of an athlete. Look at some of these elite marathon runners. They look like the people on telethons in the past that you could adopt for a quarter a day.
Well it's an eight page thread, so that's only a little over four times per page. For him that's kind of low.
No. My God. Those athletes are not in "endurance" shape. Perhaps SOME of them can complete a marathon without training but certainly not most or every high level pro soccer player. Those guys have to be in "marathon shape" just to play at that level. Cyclists, ok, those guys could. Lacrosse seems to have a similar level of running as soccer but I don't know enough about it to say most definitely could. Football, basketball, hockey, etc. Very few could.
What I said originally:
" I would venture to say that 90% of pro soccer players could go compete a marathon without training for specifically for it."
You could say the same thing about a fat 6'1", 360 nose tackle who's success is based on being a fat guy, with some strength, they likely couldn't do any other sport, "athlete" is different based on the sport.
you don't know what happened!!!
that's kind of a ridiculous argument to promote crossover athletics.
there's a peyton's place episode on BB/FB players and how one helps the other. starring tony gonzalez. he actually tried out for the NBA during a contract holdout. as good as he was at BB in college, he had zero chance to make the NBA.
SMF thinks the same people would be good at all sports, LeBron would be hall of fame in soccer or football if he tried, and Lionel Messi would be a Hall of Fame 2nd basemen if he played baseball as a kid, guaranteed!
Well, yea, those 2 obviously. 2 of the greatest athletes who ever lived.SMF thinks the same people would be good at all sports, LeBron would be hall of fame in soccer or football if he tried, and Lionel Messi would be a Hall of Fame 2nd basemen if he played baseball as a kid, guaranteed!
Messi has some unique skill sets. I am not sure I would classify him as a "great athlete",
2 great athletes in THIER SPORTS, however, it's not an accurate predictor of performance in other sports. Maybe Messi would have great footwork around 2nd Base and drop the ball or overthrow the 1B, Maybe LeBron would be an NFL TE... but on the practice squad, I feel like it's stupid to just think the greatest athletes in one sport, are slam dunks to succeed in any sport.
What I'm taking from this thread is for one to become an MLB player, they should play travel soccer.
unique skills yes but you cannot be the best ever at any major sport and just be a "dude" in another sport had they picked that sport. I am sure he could have been at least Craig Biggio or Chuck Knoblauch.
Pro darts throwers are incredible athletes. They would rule the NBA had those guys played basketball growing up. That and quit smoking and drinking. Same thing for pro Cornhole players. And the PBA tour? Not specialised skills at all. Those guys are true athletes.
OMG, I started calling them sweaters when I was 8 and started playing. They handed me one and said “Here is your sweater” and I started calling them that. I’ll try to be careful on here.
Some of our sports have dumb terms though. I mean a quarter makes sense because it’s 1/4 of the game. Same with a half. But inning? It makes zero sense. Plus, they also use innings in cricket, the dumbest sport ever invented.
It’s worse than that. Santa Monica is 90,000 people but has a huge percentage of retirees. Just to have enough kids to have two 8-team Little Leagues, they allow kids from some adjoining parts of Pacific Palisades and Culver City to play.
Back when I was umpiring, we had Max Fried of the Braves and Josh Rosen, the FB QB, in the two leagues the same year. I had umpired games with each of them pitching and both were unhittable. At least Fried would have been if he didn’t get bored and fool around with off speed garbage like a knuckleball.
I thought with the two of them, the All Star tournament team would be really good. Rosen was better than Fried at that age because he had better control and didn’t fool around with stupid pitches: Fastball and change up that looked just like the fastball. When they went to put the team together, they discovered that Rosen couldn’t play. He went to school with most of the kids on the team but he lived on the north side of Sunset Boulevard, which was the border for the All Star team. So even though the City had less than half the number of kids as some of the districts, a kid who literally lived one block from the field couldn’t play.
When I would watch the tourney on TV and see Asian teams with two or three absolutely huge kids, it infuriated me because they clearly weren’t following the same rules.
True “Bad News Bears” story. When I started practicing law, our firm represented Walter Matthau. He had starred in the original but not either sequel. He had a “percentage of the gross” on the original. Anyone who read Mario Puzo’s diatribe about the creative accounting that went in with “The Godfather,” where for more than a decade the studio’s creative accounting resulted in there being no “net profits” knows that getting a percentage of the net like he had in “The Godfather” is meaningless and you need a percentage of the gross (receipts) like Brando had to ever see a dime.
Walter and Lou Blau, his best friend and entertainment lawyer knew that, and Walter had a percentage of the gross. More than 10% of theatrical revenues. Big money! Tatum O’Neal also had a small piece of the gross. Walter had been paid $750,000 to make the movie but got more than $4.5 million more just from the theatrical receipts on the initial release.
It infuriated Barry Diller, the head of Paramount, who hated to see actors make any money when it could be going into his pockets. So, instead of selling the TV rights to BNB individually to TV, Diller and his two assistant honchos, Michael Eisner (yes that Michael Eisner) and Don Simpson ( who later teamed up with Jerry Bruckheimer to form the most successful team of producers in Hollywood until he died of a drug-induced heart attack at a pool party orgy at his estate in Malibu), hatched a scheme to screw Matthau and O’Neal by packaging it with the two sequels and then allocating 1/3 of the TV payment to each.
It was the first motion picture case I ever worked on and I was the only litigator on the case. Paramount had five attorneys on it. When I served a document production request, Paramount initially refused to produce anything, claiming trade secrets. When the court ordered them to produce everything requested, they produced literally a truckload of documents, trying to bury the smoking guns. We found them. All five of them. Analyses of the television value of each of the three movies in an analysis of 20-plus Paramount productions being readied for sales to TV; an incredulous response from NBC to the initial proposal to package the three of them, saying they didn’t know if they even wanted the two sequels but the proposed price for all three was in the neighborhood of what they were prepared to pay for the original; three more.
I scheduled Eisner’s deposition. He showed up with three lawyers. 90 minutes into it, they stopped it and asked for a meeting with Lou Blau and offered to settle by giving Walter his percentage of the entire deal if he wouldn’t disclose the settlement to Tatum. Lou said he wasn’t even going to discuss the proposal with Walter because he knew the answer would be “Fu** them.” Then a little later they offered the same deal without the non-disclosure condition. Lou told them they would have to kick in $100,000 more for our attorneys’ fees. Michael Eisner pointed at me and said “You want $100,000 for this putz?” Lou said “That putz has kicked your sorry ass and in 10 minutes it goes up because we want punitive damages for tortious breach of contract.” They paid.
After we signed the settlement documents, Walter took Lou and I to his favorite restaurant, whose name I don’t remember. I do remember there was no name on the outside which is true of a few celebrity restaurants in LA. They don’t want tourists coming and and ogling the clientele. Walter told me to order anything I wanted because Lou was paying for it and I had just made Lou a ton of money.
When we were driving back from dinner, Lou told me that Walter had slightly exaggerated his share, but that for my work I would be receiving a nice year-end bonus. I ended up getting the same bonus as every other associate in my year. Lou told me he had proposed a much larger one but the managing committee on which he only had one vote had decided that it would be unfair to pay me a larger bonus because I had “lucked” into a very profitable case. He told me that he knew and they knew that was b.s. They just wanted more profits for themselves. He then gave me a personal check for what he thought was the appropriate amount.
Still....and watched part of this the other day, one of my favorite movies of my childhood. Tatum O'Neill was my first celebrity crush.
There’s a lot SMF doesn’t do but that doesn’t stop him from opining with complete certainty.
Uh, no, you just can't extrapolate that. Then why wasn't Michael Jordan at least as good as Mario Mendoza? Or why wasn't Tebow as good as Jose Pagan, LOL? Yeah, maybe they would have been good at another sport, good meaning relatively good, like maybe play in the minors, or make the practice squad, but NO GUARANTEE of even that. There's only been a few Bo Jacksons or Deion Sanders over all of history who reached the majors in multiple sports, it's not so absolute as you portray it. As for Messi, an all time great at a sport where using your hands is totally illegal other than the GK or a throw in, how are you so sure he can play a TOTAL HANDS SPORT like baseball?
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