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I randomized this! I swear. All complaints can be taken up with @CougarClaws

I have a bracket that I don't know how to post yet. So in the meantime, here are the Round 1 matchups that will be kicking off T/W

4Mark_Marty vs. ThirteenNINE
SMF vs. Joe the Panther Fan
Fsgolfdr vs. CougarClaws
DT vs. bballinsider

Recruits vs. Ajntwr
Special Sauce vs. Ski
fkthomas vs. pittchagg
Bethlehemjohn vs. imisstheolddays

 
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Ski11585 said:
I randomized this! I swear. All complaints can be taken up with @CougarClaws

I have a bracket that I don't know how to post yet. So in the meantime, here are the Round 1 matchups that will be kicking off T/W

4Mark_Marty vs. ThirteenNINE
SMF vs. Joe the Panther Fan
Fsgolfdr vs. CougarClaws
DT vs. bballinsider

Recruits vs. Ajntwr
Special Sauce vs. Ski
fkthomas vs. pittchagg
Bethlehemjohn vs. imisstheolddays

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When is this going live? I’m not in love with my team so I’ve kinda lost all my stats. I’m going to have to pull everything together and have ready to post in the match up thread.
That said if the pay board draft is any indication, the voters don’t look at stats or even advanced stats like win share anyhow. I’m not sure what the voters looked at. Some real head scratchers over there!!
 
fkthomas said:
When is this going live? I’m not in love with my team so I’ve kinda lost all my stats. I’m going to have to pull everything together and have ready to post in the match up thread.
That said if the pay board draft is any indication, the voters don’t look at stats or even advanced stats like win share anyhow. I’m not sure what the voters looked at. Some real head scratchers over there!!
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Kicking them off tomorrow morning. 4 tomorrow and 4 on Wednesday.
 
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Kicking them off tomorrow morning. 4 tomorrow and 4 on Wednesday.
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noon, 2:30, 7, and 9:30?

I think the teams should have been named to eliminate bias. I think I have a really good team. I don't even know who Joe has but I am sure he will win since I am the heel but that's ok. I figured that. I just thought it was a fan exercise.
 
Round One:
Fsgolfdr vs. CougarClaws

Fsgolfdr:
PG Ronald Ramon 8.8 ppg 51.1 shooting % 45.1 from 3. 87% FT 2.2 assists 1.8 rebounds
SG Jason Mathews. 19.1 ppg .46.0 shooting %. 45.7 from 3. 89% FT 2.1 assists. 2.1 rebounds
SF. JJ Moore. 8.0 ppg. 52.4 shooting %. 32.9 from 3. 81.5 FT 3.0 rebounds
PF Mike Young. 19.5 ppg. 49.2 shooting %. 34.1 from 3. 77% FT 2.7 assists. 6.3 rebounds
C. Gary McGhee. 6.9 ppg.56.7 shooting %. 7.7 rebounds 1.3 blocks
6th man Trent Johnson 8.5ppg 49.2 shooting %. 70.8 FT 6.6 rebounds

Team CougarClaws:
THE CLOUD FACTORY GANG

PG/SG Carl "Black Magic" Krauser : 6'2" 200 2001-2005
16.0ppg 5.9apg 4.8rpg 1.8spg 39.4%/3
4.4 Win Shares, Statistically best Pitt PG, would kill for a win-NYC Tough!
https://pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/carl-krauser/523

SG Kellii "The Disruptor" Taylor: 6'1" 180 1995-2000
9.6ppg 3.2spg 2.6rpg 2.2apg 2.2 Defensive Win Shares, a disruptive defensive dynamo

PF/SF Chad "True Grit" Varga: 6'6 210 1994-1997
12.5ppg 6.3rpg 36.1%/3
A ridiculous athlete with diverse talents - won Dapper Dan True Grit Award
https://www.chadvarga.com/booking/basketball-highlights/

SF/PF Gilbert "Greyhound" Brown: 6'6" 215 2007-2011
11.3ppg 4.4rpg 2.7apg 41.3%/3 4.4 Win Shares & another stellar athlete that did all the little things that win games.
https://www.gettyimages.ca/photos/pittsburgh-gilbert-brown?mediatype=photography&page=4&phrase=pittsburgh gilbert brown&sort=mostpopular

C/PF Talib "Tough Guy" Zanna: 6'9" 230 2006-2011
13.0ppg 8.6rpg 59% shooter 5.4 Win Shares. A no nonsense winner that defined development under Dixon with his "complete game" Senior season and kick-ass leadership.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/63349304/talib-zanna-left-nigeria-to-play-basketball-for-pitt

6th Man PF/C Chip "The Missing Link" Watkins: 6'7" 235lbs 1981-1985
6.4ppg 5.7rpg 1.1spg in 21.6min/game. His development into a strong defender and inside presence in Big East Pitt Season One allowed for amazing early upsets of powerhouses St. Johns & Georgetown during the Golden Years of the Big East.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/0...18-points-and-Chip-Watkins-had/3469446274000/


I am struck by the individual matchups at Guard. Fsgolfdr has no playmakers on the perimeter - neither Ramon nor Mathews can create their own shot, or have the foot speed to keep up with Krauser & Taylor on defense.

While I also like the forward matchups with my balanced group of defensively strong secondary scorers, the play at Guard would be telling. Carl & Kellii would dominate defensively, while executing their games offensively IMO.

I also love the McGee/Zanna matchup, because Talib can cover any Fsgolfdr player he would have to switch up on during those awesome McGee picks. Gary's 2nd biggest strength, one that might conceivably help make up for his Guard's lack of foot speed, is somewhat negated.

Or I could single up Zanna against Young on defense, both of my starting forwards are long explosive leapers with quick feet that can switch off effectively during McGee's picks, and are comfortable enough playing inside to keep Gary from getting out of hand with his limited offensive game.

I really lucked out on the draw this round. These matchups, almost across the board, are favorable IMO. All my guys are strong to brilliant defensively, with balanced scoring on both the perimeter and inside. But I match up great against Fsgolfdr's team in particular.
 
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Special Sauce
PG: Aldridge - 13.0 ppg/5.8 apg/3.0 rbg/1.4 spg
SG: Allen - 11.7 ppg/2.9 apg/1.8 rpg/1.7 spg
SF: Cook - 10.5 ppg/2.6 apg/3.4 rpg/0.6 spg
PF: Lane - 15.8 ppg/2.2 apg/13.5 rpg/1.3 spg
C: Taft - 13.3 ppg/0.8 apg/7.5 rpg/1.7 bpg
6th: Stevenson - 8.5 ppg/1.0 apg/4.4 rpg/0.5 spg

Ski’s Team
PG: Trey McGowens - 11.5 ppg/3.6 apg/3.3 rpg
SG: Jason Maile - 12.4 ppg/1.8 apg/2.0 rpg
SF: Lamar Patterson - 17.1 ppg/4.3 apg/4.9 rpg
PF: Levon Kendall - 7 ppg/1.6 apg/5.4 rpg
C: Aaron Gray - 13.9 ppg/1.8 apg/10.5 rpg
6th Man: Darryl Shepard - 8.5 ppg/.7 apg/3 rpg

Here are my thoughts. McGowens didn’t even play PG at Pitt. XJ was the point. Trey’s accomplishments as a PG at Pitt were minuscule. Aldridge was the PG, and had better stats. Neither team was all that good. Sauce wins the PG battle. Maile was a 1-trick pony. Allen was a better all around player. Advantage Sauce at SG. Cook is extremely underrated. His stats would have been much better if he was given more opportunities to score. I like Patterson as well. He was a good all around player. I would concede slight advantage to Ski. Lane versus Kendall is a complete mismatch. Lane was one of the all-time greats at Pitt. TKO for Sauce. Taft at his best was better than Gray’s best. I like both guys, but give a slight advantage to Sauce. Stephenson has slightly better stats as the 6th man. I would say slight advantage for Sauce or push. Overall - I think the Sauce wins this matchup fairly easily. :)
 
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I don't even know who Joe has but I am sure he will win since I am the heel but that's ok.
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Well I ought to win because as college basketball players my guys were better than yours, so there is that. You are better than me at exactly one position on the court, unless you take into account what the players did after they left Pitt.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
noon, 2:30, 7, and 9:30?

I think the teams should have been named to eliminate bias. I think I have a really good team. I don't even know who Joe has but I am sure he will win since I am the heel but that's ok. I figured that. I just thought it was a fan exercise.
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I am going to vote for the team that I think is the best based on the criteria that was decided upon.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
noon, 2:30, 7, and 9:30?

I think the teams should have been named to eliminate bias. I think I have a really good team. I don't even know who Joe has but I am sure he will win since I am the heel but that's ok. I figured that. I just thought it was a fan exercise.
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1: Whenever I wake up?
2: Named how so?
3: Your team is terrible especially because you ignored the rules for the draft. You deserve the drubbing you’ll get in round 1.
 
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I miss the old days
PG : Levance Fields (08-09) 10.7 ppg...2.5 rbs....7.5 ast
SG : Julius Page (02-03) 12.2 ppg....3.4 rbs....2.2 ast
SF : Orlando Antigua (94-95) 10.4 ppg...5.8 rbs....2.9 ast
PF: Nasir Robinson (11-12) 10.6 ppg...6.5 rbs....2.0 ast
C: Keith Armstrong (84-85) 7.5 ppg....5.1 rbs...0.8 ast...
6th Man : Khem Birch (11-12) 4.4 ppg....5.0 rbs....1.9 Blks

Bethlehemjohn
PG-Jerry McCullough 15.3 pts, 5.6 assists, 3.8 Rebs and 2.3 steals
SG-Jermaine Dixon 10.6 pts, 4 Rebs, 2 assists and 1.2 steals
SF-Jaryd Wilson Frame 12.7 pts, 5 Rebs and 1.4 assists
PF-Brian Shorter 20.6 pts and 9.4 Rebs
C-Chris Seabrooks 10.7 pts, 6.9 Rebs and 1.1 blocks
6th man-Willie Cauley 6.9 pts and 3.6 Rebs

-I'd say I have the slightly better Center in Seabrooks over Armstrong. Seabrooks had one really nice year for Pitt. Keith was just a below average player
-Although I like Nasir as player, Shorter is a much, much better player than Robinson. Shorter is easily one of the top 10 guys Pitt has ever had.
-Wilson Frame vs Antigua is pretty even. Antigua did the little things better, but Wilson Frame was easily the better shooter and scorer.
-Page gets a slight advantage over Dixon. Page was a better scorer and even better on D. Dixon was still a good defender and a better rebounder.
-McCollough and Fields is a tough one. Fields is a winner and a better passer and didn't turn the ball over. Jerry could score better, but turned it over a bit more. I'd give Levance an edge, but not a huge one.
-Neither Cauley or Birch were anything special in there only years at Pitt. Cauley was a better scorer, Birch the better rebounder and probably defensive player.

Overall, Shorter should give me the edge in this matchup. I have a better rebounding team and a much better offensive team while the teams are pretty similar on defense.
 
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For those that played the pay board Tourney - what sort of rules should we have for deciding the winners?
 
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For those that played the pay board Tourney - what sort of rules should we have for deciding the winners?
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The pay board did winner of the vote after 24 hours. To me, the most important thing is letting the voters know what the criteria is for the vote. This isn't a life time achievement award or how well a guy did in the pros and that the voting should be based only on each players best year at Pitt.
 
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I miss the old days
PG : Levance Fields (08-09) 10.7 ppg...2.5 rbs....7.5 ast
SG : Julius Page (02-03) 12.2 ppg....3.4 rbs....2.2 ast
SF : Orlando Antigua (94-95) 10.4 ppg...5.8 rbs....2.9 ast
PF: Nasir Robinson (11-12) 10.6 ppg...6.5 rbs....2.0 ast
C: Keith Armstrong (84-85) 7.5 ppg....5.1 rbs...0.8 ast...
6th Man : Khem Birch (11-12) 4.4 ppg....5.0 rbs....1.9 Blks

Bethlehemjohn
PG-Jerry McCullough 15.3 pts, 5.6 assists, 3.8 Rebs and 2.3 steals
SG-Jermaine Dixon 10.6 pts, 4 Rebs, 2 assists and 1.2 steals
SF-Jaryd Wilson Frame 12.7 pts, 5 Rebs and 1.4 assists
PF-Brian Shorter 20.6 pts and 9.4 Rebs
C-Chris Seabrooks 10.7 pts, 6.9 Rebs and 1.1 blocks
6th man-Willie Cauley 6.9 pts and 3.6 Rebs

-I'd say I have the slightly better Center in Seabrooks over Armstrong. Seabrooks had one really nice year for Pitt. Keith was just a below average player
-Although I like Nasir as player, Shorter is a much, much better player than Robinson. Shorter is easily one of the top 10 guys Pitt has ever had.
-Wilson Frame vs Antigua is pretty even. Antigua did the little things better, but Wilson Frame was easily the better shooter and scorer.
-Page gets a slight advantage over Dixon. Page was a better scorer and even better on D. Dixon was still a good defender and a better rebounder.
-McCollough and Fields is a tough one. Fields is a winner and a better passer and didn't turn the ball over. Jerry could score better, but turned it over a bit more. I'd give Levance an edge, but not a huge one.
-Neither Cauley or Birch were anything special in there only years at Pitt. Cauley was a better scorer, Birch the better rebounder and probably defensive player.

Overall, Shorter should give me the edge in this matchup. I have a better rebounding team and a much better offensive team while the teams are pretty similar on defense.
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Pretty even teams except for the Shorter/Robinson mismatch IMO.
 
Ski11585 said:
I randomized this! I swear. All complaints can be taken up with @CougarClaws

I have a bracket that I don't know how to post yet. So in the meantime, here are the Round 1 matchups that will be kicking off T/W

4Mark_Marty vs. ThirteenNINE
SMF vs. Joe the Panther Fan
Fsgolfdr vs. CougarClaws
DT vs. bballinsider

Recruits vs. Ajntwr
Special Sauce vs. Ski
fkthomas vs. pittchagg
Bethlehemjohn vs. imisstheolddays

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How are you determining game times?
 
Game plan.

The first four round 1 matchups will get posted in one hour. Voting will stay open for approximately 24 hours. Criteria will be posted in each OP and the team GMs are encouraged to make their case in the thread.
 
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Got a bunch of meeting this morning - it'd be super if someone could post today's games.
 
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