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Pitt’s new on campus football stadium

I don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a broken record but the AD doesn't get to decide what to build or what not to build. Huge capital projects are decided on from above. The school realized it had a problem and made a commitment to upgrade facilities back when it joined the ACC. Not sure if you remember but Pitt was widely thought of as a joke when it came to sports. Terrible teams and ancient facilities. It's not like Heather walked into the athletic offices one day with MSPaint renderings and decided to build a multi-sport facility and the school started writing checks. Perhaps many of the details were ironed out while she was here but its not like she made the call. The beef was that she didn't raise more money for it. I wish the new AD good luck with that but that's the problem.

Pitt doesn't want an on-campus stadium. Strategically, it makes sense to not invest in something that doesn't get year round use and doesn't generate much more revenue that what they have now. It's infinitely more likely that the administration will go backwards in its commitment to sports because that's always been the trend.
Oh man! Notre Dame should have consulted you before they went ahead with this!

The Campus Crossroads project – the largest building initiative in the history of the University of Notre Dame – sought to transform Notre Dame Stadium into a year-round hub for academic and student life. With the addition of Corbett Family Hall, Duncan Student Center and O’Neil Hall, the University has added approximately 800,000 SF of classroom, research, student life, media, performance, meeting, event, and hospitality space. The three new buildings bring together diverse disciplines to engage in a collaborative and multidisciplinary experience that enhances student life beyond seven Saturdays a year.
 
Well, then James Sentelli must be stupid as well.

Pitt did acquire land in his proposed stadium's footprint in 2016.
VERY!!!

Pitt acquired the Syria Mosque parking lot only, from UPMC, and it has absolutely zero chance for use for anything to do with football and is actually currently targeted as the home of the new School of Computing and Information. As I said, there is nothing that has become available in Oakland that could be used for football that Pitt has not acquired. There is no chance of a stadium going in that plot even if it was twice as large. The Wyndam plot and UPMC medical offices plot across Lytton are both owned by the Masons who have no interest in selling those revenue generators. Lytton Ave itself is owned by the city. The new Oaklander hotel to the south has a 99 year lease. Everything is smack in the middle of the Schenley Farms Historic District, which means any even small changes must be approved by the city's Historic Review Commission.

Here's a clue morons, because you can draw a box on a map in MS Paint doesn't mean a football stadium can go on it.
 
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Oh man! Notre Dame should have consulted you before they went ahead with this!

The Campus Crossroads project – the largest building initiative in the history of the University of Notre Dame – sought to transform Notre Dame Stadium into a year-round hub for academic and student life. With the addition of Corbett Family Hall, Duncan Student Center and O’Neil Hall, the University has added approximately 800,000 SF of classroom, research, student life, media, performance, meeting, event, and hospitality space. The three new buildings bring together diverse disciplines to engage in a collaborative and multidisciplinary experience that enhances student life beyond seven Saturdays a year.


What Notre Dame did was to attach three buildings to their football stadium that had no reason at all to be there, other than to pretend that somehow people using those buildings means that the Stadium is being used every day. When it's not. The buildings they attached to the stadium, all of which could have been built elsewhere, are used every day. The actual stadium gets used pretty much the same amount now as it always has.
 
A comment and a prediction

1) in the NIL world of today, where schools have to figure out ways to generate cash....I think AD's across the country are envious of schools that lease stadiums, as opposed to the expense of maintaining and upgrading an existing albatross.

2) my prediction: Pitt is always looking to acquire real estate, and the campus is essentially built into a hillside. Yet on campus are several acres of beautiful, perfectly level acres known as Cost Field.

The baseball program is a financial loser and will never be an ACC power.

Given the unquenchable thirst for new means of generating (and saving) money, coupled with such a sweet spot of real estate

The baseball program will be shut down within 3 years.
Schools that lease their stadiums… I can think of 2.. maybe 3 major div 1 schools….such an exclusive club.
 
There are 38 players listed on Pitt’s baseball roster. That means at least 26 of them are paying full tuition. Is that enough to keep the team going?
 
There are 38 players listed on Pitt’s baseball roster. That means at least 26 of them are paying full tuition. Is that enough to keep the team going?
And you cut 38 of them, take 0.3 seconds to admit an additional 38 student each paying full tuition on top of what is easily $14+ million worth of land where their field sits.
 
VERY!!!

Pitt acquired the Syria Mosque parking lot only, from UPMC, and it has absolutely zero chance for use for anything to do with football and is actually currently targeted as the home of the new School of Computing and Information. As I said, there is nothing that has become available in Oakland that could be used for football that Pitt has not acquired. There is no chance of a stadium going in that plot even if it was twice as large. The Wyndam plot and UPMC medical offices plot across Lytton are both owned by the Masons who have no interest in selling those revenue generators. Lytton Ave itself is owned by the city. The new Oaklander hotel to the south has a 99 year lease. Everything is smack in the middle of the Schenley Farms Historic District, which means any even small changes must be approved by the city's Historic Review Commission.

Here's a clue morons, because you can draw a box on a map in MS Paint doesn't mean a football stadium can go on it.

Yeah. That historic district is so historic that they were able to tear down a revered building and put up a parking lot.
 
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2) my prediction: Pitt is always looking to acquire real estate, and the campus is essentially built into a hillside. Yet on campus are several acres of beautiful, perfectly level acres known as Cost Field.
What do you mean? You don't need to tear down anything, just look at all of this available real estate.
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So the parking lot was a historic landmark in 2016?
Do you actually believe that a football stadium could fit in that parking lot? The lot is half the size of the Petersen Events Center, which is half the size of the Pitt Stadium footprint.
 
Do you actually believe that a football stadium could fit in that parking lot? The lot is half the size of the Petersen Events Center, which is half the size of the Pitt Stadium footprint.

Of course not. I was referencing the idea from years ago from James Santelli, which is linked above. In his plan, that parking lot space, along with several other parcels, were used in his stadium mock up. Paco trotted out the Schenley Farms Historic District as a reason why the plan is a stupid idea (because let's be honest, every idea not from Paco is stupid according to him). But, the historic district is so important that it was perfectly ok for the Syria Mosque to be torn down and a parking lot put in its place for decades. LOL.
 
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Of course not. I was referencing the idea from years ago from James Santelli, which is linked above. In his plan, that parking lot space, along with several other parcels, were used in his stadium mock up. Paco trotted out the Schenley Farms Historic District as a reason why the plan is a stupid idea (because let's be honest, every idea not from Paco is stupid according to him). But, the historic district is so important that it was perfectly ok for the Syria Mosque to be torn down and a parking lot put in its place for decades. LOL.
What does santelli do for a living , exactly ?!?
 
Of course not. I was referencing the idea from years ago from James Santelli, which is linked above. In his plan, that parking lot space, along with several other parcels, were used in his stadium mock up. Paco trotted out the Schenley Farms Historic District as a reason why the plan is a stupid idea (because let's be honest, every idea not from Paco is stupid according to him). But, the historic district is so important that it was perfectly ok for the Syria Mosque to be torn down and a parking lot put in its place for decades. LOL.
Yes, a plan that has no possible basis in reality for the multiple reasons repeatedly spelled out: multiple of the proposed parcels aren't available to Pitt, even if all of it was available it isn't big enough, and a stadium in that location would never be approved by the city.

That isn't even going into the debate about whether an a small, football-specific stadium is the proper place to inject limited financial resources.

At some point, after actual information is repeatedly provided, ignorance and a lack reading comprehension can no longer be an excuse.
 
Yes, a plan that has no possible basis in reality for the multiple reasons repeatedly spelled out: multiple of the proposed parcels aren't available to Pitt, even if all of it was available it isn't big enough, and a stadium in that location would never be approved by the city.

That isn't even going into the debate about whether an a small, football-specific stadium is the proper place to inject limited financial resources.

At some point, after actual information is repeatedly provided, ignorance and a lack reading comprehension can no longer be an excuse.

Correct. We should instead spend those limited financial resources on non revenue sports capital infrastructure for a school that isn't even going to be in anything remotely close to a major conference in 10 years.
 
Oh man! Notre Dame should have consulted you before they went ahead with this!

The Campus Crossroads project – the largest building initiative in the history of the University of Notre Dame – sought to transform Notre Dame Stadium into a year-round hub for academic and student life. With the addition of Corbett Family Hall, Duncan Student Center and O’Neil Hall, the University has added approximately 800,000 SF of classroom, research, student life, media, performance, meeting, event, and hospitality space. The three new buildings bring together diverse disciplines to engage in a collaborative and multidisciplinary experience that enhances student life beyond seven Saturdays a year.
What does anything Notre Dame is doing have to do with Pitt? They have a stadium. Pitt doesn't. Last time they fixed the stadium up at ND, the plumbing backed up and there was excrement pouring into the concourse's. Pitt is adding classroom space and event space. And that whole second paragraph is just a lot of smoke for, "dorms in the stadium for football players."
 
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Oh man! Notre Dame should have consulted you before they went ahead with this!

The Campus Crossroads project – the largest building initiative in the history of the University of Notre Dame – sought to transform Notre Dame Stadium into a year-round hub for academic and student life. With the addition of Corbett Family Hall, Duncan Student Center and O’Neil Hall, the University has added approximately 800,000 SF of classroom, research, student life, media, performance, meeting, event, and hospitality space. The three new buildings bring together diverse disciplines to engage in a collaborative and multidisciplinary experience that enhances student life beyond seven Saturdays a year.
They own it all......and it's FLAT. Their finances are fine.
 
No parking in Oakland for a stadium the size Pitt would need it to be. Going to Pitt stadium was a nightmare and if Pitt actually cared about football they’d draw 40 to 60k at Acrisure just fine. They choose basketball 25 years ago. On campus stadium is not a priority to them
 
No parking in Oakland for a stadium the size Pitt would need it to be. Going to Pitt stadium was a nightmare and if Pitt actually cared about football they’d draw 40 to 60k at Acrisure just fine. They choose basketball 25 years ago. On campus stadium is not a priority to them

We know it's not a priority. It should have been. Not going to matter now. And how many parking spaces does Oakland have?
 
No where enough to accomadate what the North Shore does COMFORTABLY

That's it in a nutshell. Pitt fans want to donate nothing and have all the comforts. An SEC fan will sit in traffic for hours to sit in a seat behind a pillar
 
No parking in Oakland for a stadium the size Pitt would need it to be. Going to Pitt stadium was a nightmare and if Pitt actually cared about football they’d draw 40 to 60k at Acrisure just fine. They choose basketball 25 years ago. On campus stadium is not a priority to them
I honestly think that the future of on-campus football in Oakland was killed when they decided not to build the Spine Line T extension to Oakland in the early 90’s. And I really don’t think that there will be any future stadium until a transportation project like that is approved. The BRT is basically the bare minimum that’s necessary to handle Oakland’s needs, but a stadium exceeds even the BRT’s capacity.
 
No parking in Oakland for a stadium the size Pitt would need it to be. Going to Pitt stadium was a nightmare and if Pitt actually cared about football they’d draw 40 to 60k at Acrisure just fine. They choose basketball 25 years ago. On campus stadium is not a priority to them
They usually do draw around 40,000 for games. To expect a school the size of Pittt to draw 60,000 for anything but the big games(PSU, WVU, ND, etc.), in a pro town, is just ludicrous! Acrisure is just too big for Pitt — period — they need to either tarp it or leave it!
 
No parking in Oakland for a stadium the size Pitt would need it to be. Going to Pitt stadium was a nightmare and if Pitt actually cared about football they’d draw 40 to 60k at Acrisure just fine. They choose basketball 25 years ago. On campus stadium is not a priority to them
Pitt joined the Big East in November 1981 and let Jackie Sherrill leave two months later. That was 43 years ago.
 
They usually do draw around 40,000 for games. To expect a school the size of Pittt to draw 60,000 for anything but the big games(PSU, WVU, ND, etc.), in a pro town, is just ludicrous! Acrisure is just too big for Pitt — period — they need to either tarp it or leave it!
So we should rent Heinz once every few years? to let Peds & Hoopies get tixs?. Did you ever go to Pitt Stadium? {itt let it crumble to LEAVE Oakland..
 
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