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Pitt’s new on campus football stadium

I never claimed that it would improve attendance. But it would be better. Need the student connection while on campus for them to keep the program afloat as alumni. We aren't going to be able to compete.
Correct but it isn’t the on campus stadium. They said on the Fla/Ga game today that part of Beck’s NIL deal includes him driving a Lambo. May be old news for all I know but like the old location saying it’s NIL, NIL and NIL.

And not for nothing but an on campus stadium wasn’t gonna solve anything previously either.
 
I have -
Including at the Jets game in section 119
Standing to cheer a big play , then everyone sits back down .

There is no standing crowd
Weird. I have season tickets and was at that game and most of the stadium was standing quite often. Maybe you were in the only section that wasn’t.
 
Correct but it isn’t the on campus stadium. They said on the Fla/Ga game today that part of Beck’s NIL deal includes him driving a Lambo. May be old news for all I know but like the old location saying it’s NIL, NIL and NIL.

And not for nothing but an on campus stadium wasn’t gonna solve anything previously either.

I agree that building a stadium doesn't help the team win now. But it makes it a better experience for students. That helps the team to win decades down the road. Pitt needed to rebuild the stadium and also committ to the program 25 years ago. It's not going to happen now.
 
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Building a new on campus stadium makes no financial sense.

People are against tarping because it would have to be done 7 times a year for a minimal expense but want Pitt to spend $700 million or more for a new on campus stadium which would only be used 7 times a year.

Pitt invests in Research Facilities and UPMC Hospitals because they attract outside Research Funding for the University.

Pitt attracts $1.16 Billion a year in annual research funding.

Sports bring in $.05 cents on the dollar compared to Research Funding.

Save the $700 million for NIL and Transfer Portal recruiting.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
I stand by my stated point.
 
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There’s nothing about college FB that makes financial sense so take a hike on attempting to oppose Pitt’s building an on campus stadium on financial grounds. The long term view supports building a stadium! The money that would be contributed by donors to building a stadium ain’t going to nil…that’s a fact!
Better to spend $$$ on Alliance than $800,000,000. for a field w/o parking squeezed on a hill.
 
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I agree that building a stadium doesn't help the team win now. But it makes it a better experience for students. That helps the team to win decades down the road. Pitt needed to rebuild the stadium and also committ to the program 25 years ago. It's not going to happen now.
So stop obsessing on unrealistic things that can't be done and focus on the actual, real, tangible things that can actually move the program forward.
 
Better to spend $$$ on Alliance than $800,000,000. for a field w/o parking squeezed on a hill.
If you took the money for a stadium, say $500m, put it in an endowed fund whose legally restricted purpose was only to fund athletics NIL and/or specifically only support Pitt football, that would generate ~$25m a year, for perpetuity, and that $25m would grow regularly to keep up with inflation. Even in inevitable lean years, the financial power to overcome those dips would be there, regardless of how the university's leadership felt about athletics. If you put that on top what just what is currently being put into the program, Pitt would be a legitimate regular threat to nationally compete, and overtime, that, my friends, would draw the type of crowds that would make the arguments about Acrisure's yellow seats moot.

Heck, think if you even had half of that.
 
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So stop obsessing on unrealistic things that can't be done and focus on the actual, real, tangible things that can actually move the program forward.

I've said many times that there aren't building a stadium. If I'm being obsessed, then it's about the reality of what would have been best and they chose not to do it. Something you often do here by pointing out mistakes Pitt has made.

My view is that they made too many blunders and because of those, their window for getting into the Big 10 is closed. So it really doesn't matter what they do now. It's only a matter of time.
 
I've said many times that there aren't building a stadium. If I'm being obsessed, then it's about the reality of what would have been best and they chose not to do it. Something you often do here by pointing out mistakes Pitt has made.

My view is that they made too many blunders and because of those, their window for getting into the Big 10 is closed. So it really doesn't matter what they do now. It's only a matter of time.
Pitt wasn't getting into the B10 no matter what. There is a Penn State problem that can't be overcome.

And just so it is crystal clear, the stadium situation has zero impact on any conference move.
 
Another pong guy who opposes an off campus stadium because he’s enthralled with his pre game hijinx.
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No because spending $700 million or more for an on campus stadium is a WASTE OF MONEY for something that will be used only 7 times a year.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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No because spending $700 million or more for an on campus stadium is a WASTE OF MONEY for something that will be use only 7 times a year.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
It’s not your money, so mind your own business! And anything that would boost the program is worth pursuing. 99 and a half percent of the universities in the ncaa have their own stadium on campus for very good reasons…and you in your infinite lack of wisdom play the yinzer card.
 
It’s not your money, so mind your own business! And anything that would boost the program is worth pursuing. 99 and a half percent of the universities in the ncaa have their own stadium on campus for very good reasons…and you in your infinite lack of wisdom play the yinzer card.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
I agree that building a stadium doesn't help the team win now. But it makes it a better experience for students. That helps the team to win decades down the road. Pitt needed to rebuild the stadium and also committ to the program 25 years ago. It's not going to happen now.
So why moan about it. 25 years ago the decision was correct, as much as I hated it.
I've said many times that there aren't building a stadium. If I'm being obsessed, then it's about the reality of what would have been best and they chose not to do it. Something you often do here by pointing out mistakes Pitt has made.

My view is that they made too many blunders and because of those, their window for getting into the Big 10 is closed. So it really doesn't matter what they do now. It's only a matter of time.
Drama queen.
 
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schoolmain campus acres
Clemson
17000​
Duke
8470​
Stanford
8180​
Texas A&M
5500​
Penn State
5448​
Michigan State
5200​
Illinois
4552​
Mississippi State
4200​
Mississippi
3350​
Michigan
3177​
Oklahoma
3000​
Nebraska
2815​
Minnesota
2730​
Rutgers
2688​
Purdue
2602​
Virginia Tech
2600​
NC State
2110​
Florida
2000​
LSU
2000​
Iowa State
1984​
Alabama
1970​
Indiana
1937​
Iowa
1900​
Auburn
1843​
Texas Tech
1839​
Ohio State
1765​
Virginia
1682​
Utah
1534​
Oklahoma State
1489​
UCF
1415​
Missouri
1262​
Notre Dame
1250​
Maryland
1250​
California
1232​
Kansas
1100​
Baylor
1000​
Wisconsin
936​
West Virginia
913​
Colorado
786​
Kentucky
784​
Georgia
759​
North Carolina-Chapel Hill
729​
Washington
703​
Kansas State
688​
Syracuse
683​
Houston
667​
Washington State
640​
Arizona State
631.6​
Tennessee
560​
Florida State
451.6​
Texas
423.5​
UCLA
419​
Arkansas
412​
Georgia Tech
400​
Oregon State
400​
Arizona
380​
South Carolina
359​
Louisville
345​
Wake Forest
340​
Boston College
332.5​
Vanderbilt
330​
TCU
325​
USC
308​
Oregon
295​
Miami, FL
260​
Northwestern
240​
SMU
230​
Cincinnati
194​
Pitt
168​
 
schoolmain campus acres
Clemson
17000​
Duke
8470​
Stanford
8180​
Texas A&M
5500​
Penn State
5448​
Michigan State
5200​
Illinois
4552​
Mississippi State
4200​
Mississippi
3350​
Michigan
3177​
Oklahoma
3000​
Nebraska
2815​
Minnesota
2730​
Rutgers
2688​
Purdue
2602​
Virginia Tech
2600​
NC State
2110​
Florida
2000​
LSU
2000​
Iowa State
1984​
Alabama
1970​
Indiana
1937​
Iowa
1900​
Auburn
1843​
Texas Tech
1839​
Ohio State
1765​
Virginia
1682​
Utah
1534​
Oklahoma State
1489​
UCF
1415​
Missouri
1262​
Notre Dame
1250​
Maryland
1250​
California
1232​
Kansas
1100​
Baylor
1000​
Wisconsin
936​
West Virginia
913​
Colorado
786​
Kentucky
784​
Georgia
759​
North Carolina-Chapel Hill
729​
Washington
703​
Kansas State
688​
Syracuse
683​
Houston
667​
Washington State
640​
Arizona State
631.6​
Tennessee
560​
Florida State
451.6​
Texas
423.5​
UCLA
419​
Arkansas
412​
Georgia Tech
400​
Oregon State
400​
Arizona
380​
South Carolina
359​
Louisville
345​
Wake Forest
340​
Boston College
332.5​
Vanderbilt
330​
TCU
325​
USC
308​
Oregon
295​
Miami, FL
260​
Northwestern
240​
SMU
230​
Cincinnati
194​
Pitt
168​
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda shocked we even have 168 acres. I would have guessed less.
 
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda shocked we even have 168 acres. I would have guessed less.
That's 38 more than the official number, because I mapped it out myself for Pitt. Obviously, the vast majority are plots with existing buildings taking up the entire footprint, not greenspace. It includes the entirety of Oakland, including things like the Mellwood Ave maintenance facility and buildings that are leased out long term (like the Rand Building) which may or may not be considered "campus". It doesn't include Commonwealth owned lots, like Hillman library, which would bring it up to about 190 acres, nor UPMC owned buildings.

What you also have to consider is this number includes Pitt's medical school and university owned research facilities. Many schools have med schools off campus or miles away from their undergrad campus. Pitt's health sciences are all crammed onto the undergrad campus.

Also, compare the # of students per acre. Pitt is way, way, way, way more compact and land starved than just about any single D1 football playing school, or really, most other major research universities.

BTW, a conservative estimate for the footprint for a football stadium would be about 15 acres (or about 9% of existing acreage owned by Pitt in Oakland). Many modern facilities take 50 or more (so like 30% of Pitt's existing Oakland acreage). But hey, Pitt has 4,700 acres in Wyoming for about 6,500 acres total among all the regional campuses and other lab sites.
 
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schoolmain campus acres
Clemson
17000​
Duke
8470​
Stanford
8180​
Texas A&M
5500​
Penn State
5448​
Michigan State
5200​
Illinois
4552​
Mississippi State
4200​
Mississippi
3350​
Michigan
3177​
Oklahoma
3000​
Nebraska
2815​
Minnesota
2730​
Rutgers
2688​
Purdue
2602​
Virginia Tech
2600​
NC State
2110​
Florida
2000​
LSU
2000​
Iowa State
1984​
Alabama
1970​
Indiana
1937​
Iowa
1900​
Auburn
1843​
Texas Tech
1839​
Ohio State
1765​
Virginia
1682​
Utah
1534​
Oklahoma State
1489​
UCF
1415​
Missouri
1262​
Notre Dame
1250​
Maryland
1250​
California
1232​
Kansas
1100​
Baylor
1000​
Wisconsin
936​
West Virginia
913​
Colorado
786​
Kentucky
784​
Georgia
759​
North Carolina-Chapel Hill
729​
Washington
703​
Kansas State
688​
Syracuse
683​
Houston
667​
Washington State
640​
Arizona State
631.6​
Tennessee
560​
Florida State
451.6​
Texas
423.5​
UCLA
419​
Arkansas
412​
Georgia Tech
400​
Oregon State
400​
Arizona
380​
South Carolina
359​
Louisville
345​
Wake Forest
340​
Boston College
332.5​
Vanderbilt
330​
TCU
325​
USC
308​
Oregon
295​
Miami, FL
260​
Northwestern
240​
SMU
230​
Cincinnati
194​
Pitt
168​
At first I was surprised to see that number for Clemson, but then I remembered why they, uh, came into all of that acreage.
 
schoolmain campus acres
Clemson
17000​
Duke
8470​
Stanford
8180​
Texas A&M
5500​
Penn State
5448​
Michigan State
5200​
Illinois
4552​
Mississippi State
4200​
Mississippi
3350​
Michigan
3177​
Oklahoma
3000​
Nebraska
2815​
Minnesota
2730​
Rutgers
2688​
Purdue
2602​
Virginia Tech
2600​
NC State
2110​
Florida
2000​
LSU
2000​
Iowa State
1984​
Alabama
1970​
Indiana
1937​
Iowa
1900​
Auburn
1843​
Texas Tech
1839​
Ohio State
1765​
Virginia
1682​
Utah
1534​
Oklahoma State
1489​
UCF
1415​
Missouri
1262​
Notre Dame
1250​
Maryland
1250​
California
1232​
Kansas
1100​
Baylor
1000​
Wisconsin
936​
West Virginia
913​
Colorado
786​
Kentucky
784​
Georgia
759​
North Carolina-Chapel Hill
729​
Washington
703​
Kansas State
688​
Syracuse
683​
Houston
667​
Washington State
640​
Arizona State
631.6​
Tennessee
560​
Florida State
451.6​
Texas
423.5​
UCLA
419​
Arkansas
412​
Georgia Tech
400​
Oregon State
400​
Arizona
380​
South Carolina
359​
Louisville
345​
Wake Forest
340​
Boston College
332.5​
Vanderbilt
330​
TCU
325​
USC
308​
Oregon
295​
Miami, FL
260​
Northwestern
240​
SMU
230​
Cincinnati
194​
Pitt
168​

That list illustrates how valuable land is in Oakland for Pitt.

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HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
That's 38 more than the official number, because I mapped it out myself for Pitt. Obviously, the vast majority are plots with existing buildings taking up the entire footprint, not greenspace. It includes the entirety of Oakland, including things like the Mellwood Ave maintenance facility and buildings that are leased out long term (like the Rand Building) which may or may not be considered "campus". It doesn't include Commonwealth owned lots, like Hillman library, which would bring it up to about 190 acres, nor UPMC owned buildings.

What you also have to consider is this number includes Pitt's medical school and university owned research facilities. Many schools have med schools off campus or miles away from their undergrad campus. Pitt's health sciences are all crammed onto the undergrad campus.

Also, compare the # of students per acre. Pitt is way, way, way, way more compact and land starved than just about any single D1 football playing school, or really, most other major research universities.

BTW, a conservative estimate for the footprint for a football stadium would be about 15 acres (or about 9% of existing acreage owned by Pitt in Oakland). Many modern facilities take 50 or more (so like 30% of Pitt's existing Oakland acreage). But hey, Pitt has 4,700 acres in Wyoming for about 6,500 acres total among all the regional campuses and other lab sites.

Well, they had a stadium on that acreage once. And this illustrates that Pitt had 20+ years to buy up land for a stadium. They didn't, which makes it even more difficult.

Look. I'm realistic and I understand they aren't going to build a stadium. My point has been and will also be that Pitt SHOULD HAVE made it happen. Either by rebuilding Pitt Stadium on the same footprint, it by working to aquire the which they had time to do, as Oakland is over 900 acres.
 
Well, they had a stadium on that acreage once. And this illustrates that Pitt had 20+ years to buy up land for a stadium. They didn't, which makes it even more difficult.

Look. I'm realistic and I understand they aren't going to build a stadium. My point has been and will also be that Pitt SHOULD HAVE made it happen. Either by rebuilding Pitt Stadium on the same footprint, it by working to aquire the which they had time to do, as Oakland is over 900 acres.
No, you aren't realistic, rationale, or informed. Pitt acquires parcels that become available all the time. Pitt owns parcels they are just sitting on, like the old Burger King lot, in anticipation of future development or has plots it hopes to eventually add contiguous plots to like along Oakland and Atwood Aves. It takes decades and decades to acquire and/or assemble some pieces that are adequate for development of much smaller projects. However, to acquire land, someone also has to be willing to sell it. Look at the holdout houses on the Bouquet Gardens plot. But what isn't available, and what hasn't been available, is 15 contiguous acres. The last time they acquired that much, for the Petersen Sports Complex, it took over decade of a major political fight and they didn't even get everything they wanted.
 
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I haven’t read this whole thread. But isn’t part of the appeal now that the kids get to play at an NFL Stadium and state of the art NFL practice facility? I mean it’s a short bus ride to one of the prettiest and picturesque parts of the city. And there is room for people to tailgate and plenty of hotels for fans to come out of the area. On TV the stadium usually half to 2/3rd full and for big games it’s packed

And believe me I have fond memories of walking out of Sutherland Hall and having Pitt Stadium the Fieldhouse right there. Even if the teams stunk back when I was there it was always a great environment. But it’s been 25 years now and the program has really thrived considering all that it has had going against it with conference realignment and the fact that most (not all) urban schools have struggled or even moved to FCS when it comes to their football programs.
 
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No, you aren't realistic, rationale, or informed. Pitt acquires parcels that become available all the time. Pitt owns parcels they are just sitting on, like the old Burger King lot, in anticipation of future development or has plots it hopes to eventually add contiguous plots to like along Oakland and Atwood Aves. It takes decades and decades to acquire and/or assemble some pieces that are adequate for development of much smaller projects. However, to acquire land, someone also has to be willing to sell it. Look at the holdout houses on the Bouquet Gardens plot. But what isn't available, and what hasn't been available, is 15 contiguous acres. The last time they acquired that much, for the Petersen Sports Complex, it took over decade of a major political fight and they didn't even get everything they wanted.

So in other words, it can be done but takes time and commitment. They don't have the latter.

And they certainly don't acquire every parcel, for which you have ridiculed them for on here in the past.
 
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So in other words, it can be done but takes time and commitment. They don't have the latter.

And they certainly don't aquire every parcel, which you have ridiculed them for on here in the past.
And land and money
Keep rolling your Pennies from the couch while you expect everyone else to spend their money !
 
That's 38 more than the official number, because I mapped it out myself for Pitt. Obviously, the vast majority are plots with existing buildings taking up the entire footprint, not greenspace. It includes the entirety of Oakland, including things like the Mellwood Ave maintenance facility and buildings that are leased out long term (like the Rand Building) which may or may not be considered "campus". It doesn't include Commonwealth owned lots, like Hillman library, which would bring it up to about 190 acres, nor UPMC owned buildings.

What you also have to consider is this number includes Pitt's medical school and university owned research facilities. Many schools have med schools off campus or miles away from their undergrad campus. Pitt's health sciences are all crammed onto the undergrad campus.

Also, compare the # of students per acre. Pitt is way, way, way, way more compact and land starved than just about any single D1 football playing school, or really, most other major research universities.

BTW, a conservative estimate for the footprint for a football stadium would be about 15 acres (or about 9% of existing acreage owned by Pitt in Oakland). Many modern facilities take 50 or more (so like 30% of Pitt's existing Oakland acreage). But hey, Pitt has 4,700 acres in Wyoming for about 6,500 acres total among all the regional campuses and other lab sites.
Two words:

Underground stadium.

Folks could park in Oakland garages and take the elevators down into the building. It'd be naturally climate- controlled and never a bad weather game. Just requires some of that engineering stuff. And hey, maybe you find some valuable natural resources while digging. It'd pay for itself! People just lack vision, n'at.
 
Two words:

Underground stadium.

Folks could park in Oakland garages and take the elevators down into the building. It'd be naturally climate- controlled and never a bad weather game. Just requires some of that engineering stuff. And hey, maybe you find some valuable natural resources while digging. It'd pay for itself! People just lack vision, n'at.
Show me an MSPaint rendering and we can get it rolling.
 
Two words:

Underground stadium.

Folks could park in Oakland garages and take the elevators down into the building. It'd be naturally climate- controlled and never a bad weather game. Just requires some of that engineering stuff. And hey, maybe you find some valuable natural resources while digging. It'd pay for itself! People just lack vision, n'at.


They were considering that, but then they determined that it would cause the VA Hospital to slid down to the bottom of the hill.
 
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So in other words, it can be done but takes time and commitment. They don't have the latter.

And they certainly don't acquire every parcel, for which you have ridiculed them for on here in the past.
Not at all, you just continue to live in some ridiculous fantasy instead of the real world. There is nothing in Oakland that the university has not acquired in the past 30 years that could have been used for football.
 
A comment and a prediction

1) in the NIL world of today, where schools have to figure out ways to generate cash....I think AD's across the country are envious of schools that lease stadiums, as opposed to the expense of maintaining and upgrading an existing albatross.

2) my prediction: Pitt is always looking to acquire real estate, and the campus is essentially built into a hillside. Yet on campus are several acres of beautiful, perfectly level acres known as Cost Field.

The baseball program is a financial loser and will never be an ACC power.

Given the unquenchable thirst for new means of generating (and saving) money, coupled with such a sweet spot of real estate

The baseball program will be shut down within 3 years.
 
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A comment and a prediction

1) in the NIL world of today, where schools have to figure out ways to generate cash....I think AD's across the country are envious of schools that lease stadiums, as opposed to the expense of maintaining and upgrading an existing albatross.

2) my prediction: Pitt is always looking to acquire real estate, and the campus is essentially built into a hillside. Yet on campus are several acres of beautiful, perfectly level acres known as Cost Field.

The baseball program is a financial loser and will never be an ACC power.

Given the unquenchable thirst for new means of generating (and saving) money, coupled with such a sweet spot of real estate

The baseball program will be shut down within 3 years.
What exactly is going to be placed where the current baseball field is located?
 
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