Pitt Bowl games in ACC vs Big East

[HailtoPitt]

Pitt's bowl games in the ACC have been the following:
-Detroit
-Sun
-Pinstripe
-Military
-Armed Forces
-Pizza (Detroit)

Pitt's previous 6 bowl games in the Big East have been:
-Compass
-Compass
-Compass
-Car Car
-Sun
-Fiesta

So really, has playing in the ACC done much for Pitt's bowl games?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I think we all know our only path to a bowl better than the Sun in either conference is to get to an auto-bid. There was one of those in the Big East ("BCS") and there is one or two depending how you count in the ACC (CFP and NY6.) Gotta win the games.

 

[HailtoPitt]

I think we all know our only path to a bowl better than the Sun in either conference is to get to an auto-bid. There was one of those in the Big East ("BCS") and there is one or two depending how you count in the ACC (CFP and NY6.) Gotta win the games.

What should happen is ACC teams get assigned to bowl game based on conference placement, unless both teams agree to a change. There are so many bowls that the bowls are not in position to dictate, so the ACC isn't in danger of losing their bowl games. Pitt joined the ACC and goes to 2 bowl games in Detroit, 2 in Texas, 1 in Maryland and 1 in NYC. The previous 6 in the Big East were 3x Alabama, Charlotte, Texas and Arizona (and the three before those were in Charlotte, Arizona and Florida. We played in more warm weather bowls game in the Big East. 4 of the 6 ACC bowls have been in cold weather locations. That's amazing to me.

Even Syracuse has been to Florida for an ACC bowl game, and they have only made 2 bowl games. We make fun of WVU for being in the B12, but in 2016 and 2018, they played their bowl game in Florida (Dallas in 2017).

So really now, YES the ACC brings in more revenue which helps Pitt to build up other sports. But the ACC needs to step up for Pitt so that we can see them play a bowl game in Florida more than 1 time in 30 seasons.

 

[OriginalEther]

I suppose if perceived weather is your main focus.....

But frankly, if forced to chose, Detroit is much more preferable to Birmingham, Shreveport, and even Phoenix (well, outside the Fiesta Bowl of course). It's driveable from Pittsburgh. As is Annapolis (and to a lesser extent, New York, though that's more for Pitt alums in the eastern part of the state)

 

[PittFamily2]

Pitt's bowl games in the ACC have been the following:
-Detroit
-Sun
-Pinstripe
-Military
-Armed Forces
-Pizza (Detroit)

Pitt's previous 6 bowl games in the Big East have been:
-Compass
-Compass
-Compass
-Car Car
-Sun
-Fiesta

So really, has playing in the ACC done much for Pitt's bowl games?

Why should the ACC or Big East matter.

What gets a team a better bowl game is winning, winning a conference, a great record and you have a great bowl game.

Who's going to offer a team a "good" bowl game when they look like a drunk leaving a bar at 2 am stumbling down the street.

To be honest with our records and bad finishes the last few years its amazing we got the bowls we got.

 

[HailtoPitt]

I suppose if perceived weather is your main focus.....

But frankly, if forced to chose, Detroit is much more preferable to Birmingham, Shreveport, and even Phoenix (well, outside the Fiesta Bowl of course). It's driveable from Pittsburgh. As is Annapolis (and to a lesser extent, New York, though that's more for Pitt alums in the eastern part of the state)

I'm sorry, but for the team and for recruiting, I have to think that playing a bowl game in locations like Phoenix or Charlotte or Orlando are all better than Detroit. That will be 1/3 of Pitt's ACC bowl games, which I think could have been predicted. Pitt get's jobbed.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Why should the ACC or Big East matter.

What gets a team a better bowl game is winning, winning a conference, a great record and you have a great bowl game.

Who's going to offer a team a "good" bowl game when they look like a drunk leaving a bar at 2 am stumbling down the street.

To be honest with our records and bad finishes the last few years its amazing we got the bowls we got.

Really. You think it's amazing that Pitt plays their ACC bowl game in Detroit 33% of the time? I'm not asking for a "great" bowl game. We all know Pitt isn't going to play in the Orange Bowl unless something crazy happens, they somehow get into the ACC Championship game again via tiebreakers, and Clemson gets the flu. Short of that happening, Pitt should be able to get some decent warm weather locations once in a while.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So really, has playing in the ACC done much for Pitt's bowl games?

Pitt isnt going to get better bowl games in the ACC. We arent going to sell more tickets than the southern teams with easier drives. Its not that hard to understand. Pitt has to go 9-3 or 10-2 to get a good bowl.

 

[NTOP]

What should happen is ACC teams get assigned to bowl game based on conference placement, unless both teams agree to a change. There are so many bowls that the bowls are not in position to dictate, so the ACC isn't in danger of losing their bowl games. Pitt joined the ACC and goes to 2 bowl games in Detroit, 2 in Texas, 1 in Maryland and 1 in NYC. The previous 6 in the Big East were 3x Alabama, Charlotte, Texas and Arizona (and the three before those were in Charlotte, Arizona and Florida. We played in more warm weather bowls game in the Big East. 4 of the 6 ACC bowls have been in cold weather locations. That's amazing to me.

Even Syracuse has been to Florida for an ACC bowl game, and they have only made 2 bowl games. We make fun of WVU for being in the B12, but in 2016 and 2018, they played their bowl game in Florida (Dallas in 2017).

So really now, YES the ACC brings in more revenue which helps Pitt to build up other sports. But the ACC needs to step up for Pitt so that we can see them play a bowl game in Florida more than 1 time in 30 seasons.

Perhaps not collapsing late in the year would solve the problem?? 4-4 in the coastal screams mediocrity.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Perhaps not collapsing late in the year would solve the problem?? 4-4 in the coastal screams mediocrity.

Yes but Pitt's location and small fanbase means it will always get bad bowls in the ACC. While we weren't that good this year, we did go 7-5 but managed to go to the bowl with the very last pick. 3 6-6 teams and a 7-5 team were picked ahead of us. In 2015, we were 8-4 but a 7-5 team was picked ahead of us

 

[HailtoPitt]

Yes but Pitt's location and small fanbase means it will always get bad bowls in the ACC. While we weren't that good this year, we did go 7-5 but managed to go to the bowl with the very last pick. 3 6-6 teams and a 7-5 team were picked ahead of us. In 2015, we were 8-4 but a 7-5 team was picked ahead of us

Yes, the selection order needs to be more strict. The Quick Lane bowl has been reserved for 6-6 ACC teams, until now.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yes, the selection order needs to be more strict. The Quick Lane bowl has been reserved for 6-6 ACC teams, until now.

Its getting less strict. Next year there will be no tiers. These bowls want to make money so they want to have as much say as possible.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Its getting less strict. Next year there will be no tiers. These bowls want to make money so they want to have as much say as possible.

There are so many bowls and tie ins, how much say can they actually have? A real conference would step in and tell the bowls how it should work. The ACC knows that the bowls are more like to select a school like UNC instead of Pitt or Cuse, so they leave it alone

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There are so many bowls and tie ins, how much say can they actually have? A real conference would step in and tell the bowls how it should work. The ACC knows that the bowls are more like to select a school like UNC instead of Pitt or Cuse, so they leave it alone

All the conferences do that but I agree that bowls have too much say in the process. The problem for a league like the ACC though is they have no choice because the better bowls dont want to get stuck with Pitt, BC, Wake, Duke, or Syr so they'd flea for the 8th or 9th pick out of the SEC or Big Ten in fear of getting one of those teams.

I do think that the P5 conferences should work together and tell the bowls that the selections will be made by the leagues and if they dont like that then they can just cancel their bowl.

 

[HailtoPitt]

All the conferences do that but I agree that bowls have too much say in the process. The problem for a league like the ACC though is they have no choice because the better bowls dont want to get stuck with Pitt, BC, Wake, Duke, or Syr so they'd flea for the 8th or 9th pick out of the SEC or Big Ten in fear of getting one of those teams.

I do think that the P5 conferences should work together and tell the bowls that the selections will be made by the leagues and if they dont like that then they can just cancel their bowl.

Then let them flea. If they want Indiana or Wash State in their game over a possible Pitt or BC, so be it. Any bowl can be replaced because there are so many, and all of them are in better locations then Detroit.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Then let them flea. If they want Indiana or Wash State in their game over a possible Pitt or BC, so be it. Any bowl can be replaced because there are so many, and all of them are in better locations then Detroit.

I hate that we outsource the postseason. If we must have bowl games, if Im the NCAA, I wouldn't sanction any private bowl games besides the NY6 ones. I'd then rent out 30 or so NFL and college stadiums and make NCAA-owned bowl games. Then have a selection committee award the games based on merit

 

[JSSTartan]

Pitt's bowl games in the ACC have been the following:
-Detroit
-Sun
-Pinstripe
-Military
-Armed Forces
-Pizza (Detroit)

Thanks for bringing this up. I brought this up on another thread yesterday not in the context of Pitt in ACC vs. Pitt in BE; rather, I brought up that overall the ACC bowl tie-ins leave considerable things to be desired when compared to some of the other P5 leagues. ACC has too many cold weather options; next year, there will be two in baseball stadiums, outside in the north, in the winter. What fun is that for a traveling fan base? I’m happy the ACC will get the Holiday Bowl next season agains the PAC12, but Las Vegas is having a new bowl game in the Raiders stadium which will have a higher preference to the PAC 12 team vs. Holiday. B1G is going to Vegas, and vacating the Holiday.

 

[Nanty Glos Finest]

Yes, the selection order needs to be more strict. The Quick Lane bowl has been reserved for 6-6 ACC teams, until now.

Another factor that pushed Pitt down from Pinstripe Bowl or Military Bowl to Quick Lane Bowl is that ND took the Camping World Bowl.

If ND would have received a bid to a New Years Six Bowl then Pitt would have played in Pinstripe Bowl or Military Bowl. ND screwed Pitt again at bowl season.

The big picture is that no ACC team wants to play in a bowl game in Detroit and thus that is why the ACC is breaking ties with Quick Lane Bowl when the new bowl affiliations start.

FTP
NGF

 

[Weavedog469]

Win more and stay warm in December. Beat the teams you’re supposed to beat

 

[OriginalEther]

I'm sorry, but for the team and for recruiting, I have to think that playing a bowl game in locations like Phoenix or Charlotte or Orlando are all better than Detroit. That will be 1/3 of Pitt's ACC bowl games, which I think could have been predicted. Pitt get's jobbed.

If Pitt was going to Detroit following a 9-3 season, then you might have a point

But Pitt has gone to Detroit following a 6-6 season and a 7-5 season that ended with two bad losses. I don’t think Bowl locations for 6-6 teams has any impact on recruiting

 

[PittFamily2]

Thanks for bringing this up. I brought this up on another thread yesterday not in the context of Pitt in ACC vs. Pitt in BE; rather, I brought up that overall the ACC bowl tie-ins leave considerable things to be desired when compared to some of the other P5 leagues. ACC has too many cold weather options; next year, there will be two in baseball stadiums, outside in the north, in the winter. What fun is that for a traveling fan base? I’m happy the ACC will get the Holiday Bowl next season agains the PAC12, but Las Vegas is having a new bowl game in the Raiders stadium which will have a higher preference to the PAC 12 team vs. Holiday. B1G is going to Vegas, and vacating the Holiday.

Why should any bowl be played in a cold weather venue unless its inside?

Who wants to sit in an outdoor football stadium in December.

Hold them all in locations with warm, nice weather.

In 12 years according to AOC we wont have to worry about this so in the meantime while we're waiting for the global warming to kick in move the bowls to nice places.

Most people will be happy to drive to a nice warm place in December rather than freeze in a stadium thats less of a drive.

 

[HailtoPitt]

If Pitt was going to Detroit following a 9-3 season, then you might have a point

But Pitt has gone to Detroit following a 6-6 season and a 7-5 season that ended with two bad losses. I don’t think Bowl locations for 6-6 teams has any impact on recruiting

I think that the ACC should have placed Pitt in a better bowl than UNC, considering that Pitt has the better record and beat UNC head to head. That's how a real conference would handle it. But, the ACC is clearly in the tank for certain programs, which is why Pitt is headed to the least desirable bowl out of all of them.

 

[NTOP]

Then let them flea. If they want Indiana or Wash State in their game over a possible Pitt or BC, so be it. Any bowl can be replaced because there are so many, and all of them are in better locations then Detroit.

Dogs have flea problems. The timid "flee" from adversity.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Dogs have flea problems. The timid "flee" from adversity.

Haha. True.

Although, my flea has dogs.

 

[PittFamily2]

Dogs have flea problems. The timid "flee" from adversity.

It's Performance Review week at their company.

 

[OriginalEther]

I think that the ACC should have placed Pitt in a better bowl than UNC, considering that Pitt has the better record and beat UNC head to head. That's how a real conference would handle it. But, the ACC is clearly in the tank for certain programs, which is why Pitt is headed to the least desirable bowl out of all of them.

I’ll agree that Pitt should be in the Military Bowl over UNC. Even if anapollis is cold weather
Detroit is still a better landing spot than Shreveport or Birmingham