I think Pitt has the best wins of Penn State or West Virginia in the last 5 years. Do you agree? Pitt has beaten a 13 ranked Wake Forest, 15 Ranked Louisville. An unranked Clemson (but I think we will all agree that was a huge game). Does WVU even have a ranked win in that time? PSU beat a 25 ranked IOWA at home. Pitt has had bigger wins as of the last 5 years, am I wrong?
Pitt has the best wins
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Not sure that says much. I dont think Franklin has ever beaten a ranked team. Maybe Iowa but I dont count them as a ranked team. That's a program that should get the death penalty for what they have done to college football.
And PSU probably wont have to beat a ranked team to make the CFP this year. Just get off the bus 10 times to play some 7-5 teams and boom.....CFP
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I suppose you're right, but the flip side to that is we've probably had the worst losses as well which does more to shape perception. The occasional David vs Goliath win is not sustainable and causes delusional hope that we have turned the corner to an upper tier team when actually we just seem to be good as playing under dog. Hopefully we get back to 9 wins which feels like it should be sustainable.
While you’re right, Pitt has had its fair share of big wins the last 5 years, like others have mentioned, the crushing losses are just as important. I often play the mental gymnastics of “what if” with Pitt more than I care to admit.
One thing about Franklin, is he has like 0 WTF losses and near 0 upset losses of any nature. He is as predictable as they get. If he has better players, he wins. If he doesn't, he loses.
Pitt has the only conference championship during the past 5 years. PSU beat Utah in the Rose Bowl a couple years back when Utah finished ranked #11.
The Big Ten rarely has any teams ranked 15-25. They usually have a couple top 10-15 teams, then a huge drop off. I don't know how much the new additions really build up the middle of the conference.
Exhibition games dont count. We beat a UCLA team with the same record who beat Utah. Big whoop.
NOT an exhibition game if it counts in your win / loss record and in the final rankings. FACT! You can keep saying it, and I'll keep telling you the facts!
Five years is a weird cutoff to make this point. For instance, in 2019 Penn State beat Michigan (finished 18th), Iowa (finished 15th), and Memphis (finished 17th). And then in 2022 they beat Utah (finished 10th). And they have some at least a handful of other ranked wins, too, whereas I think our only other ones besides the ones I'm mentioning below might be Louisville and UCLA.
So our best wins were Clemson (finished 14th) and Wake (finished 15th), but they have one that is higher and have more over ranked teams. So I'm just not sure what we're illustrating here.
So our best wins were Clemson (finished 14th) and Wake (finished 15th), but they have one that is higher and have more over ranked teams. So I'm just not sure what we're illustrating here.
First off, the OP ignored a whole season (2019) in the timeframe they chose to use as another poster pointed out. Then there is the bowl game results…
As yet another (earlier) poster mentioned, the bowl games count on the record and in the rankings.
Pitt ended as a 3-loss non-top 10 team in 2021.
PSU ended as a 3-loss non-top 10 team in 2023.
Don’t bother. He’s the same one who insists last year’s hoops team was an NCAA team. He’ll say whatever in his fantastical head to support whatever narrative he wants to pursue.
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That's great. I dont care. Bowl games are exhibitions. Count them if you like but I dont. Congrats on beating Utah though. Real great W there.
Interesting thought. If you assume Michigan and Ohio State are in the upper echelon, where do you rank a Penn State, Oregon, USC, Washington? Even a Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska or Iowa can all be ranked solidly in the Top 25. In terms of depth, I think it’s every bit as deep as the SEC.
Maybe with dropping divisions, the middle of the pack teams won't cannibalize each other from having to all play one another. It seemed in the past, no one in the West other than Iowa/Wisconsin (and usually never both at the same time) could step up to be even a 15-25 ranked team. It's not so much that any of the programs can't do it, they definitely have the potential to in a good year, there just never was more than one or two doing it at any given time.
1 win over a ranked team not including exhibition games and Iowa? That is pathetic.
No, just games that occurred in October 2016.
That is incorrect. But, you’d probably make up another reason to not count the others, something like they occurred on a Saturday.
Not counting Iowa, there were 3 bowl games. Not including the bowl games that count towards a team’s record, there was Michigan, Wisconsin, and Northwestern.
Now, you can do a little self educating to learn the years that those happened.
Btw, the one making the claim should be the one supporting said claim with proof.
What years did they beat those ranked teams? Beating a ranked NW is kinda funny but seriously, I don't remember these. What years?
If only there was a way that you could look that information up, quickly and easily.
Not putting that much effort into it. I want the Pedo Enabler to tell me.
That's one of the "best" things about you. There's a lot that you comment on that even you admit you know nothing about, and you combine that with having no interest whatsoever in actually becoming informed.
To search for those elusive Franklin wins, yes. Because I dont think they happened.
