Are they the luckiest team in college? They have the worst scandal in the history of college sports and survive with recruits not caring. They play one of the easiest schedules in the country and now their new "big" rival loses players and head coach to their own scandal.
PSU luck
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They have the ability to make tons and tons of cash. In society in this day and age money is the most important thing in the world. If you have enough of it, you can buy your own luck. That is why I like religion. Whether it is real or not, it gives me hope that scum like PoSU will one day have to pay for their sins.
like Jerry Tarkanian always used to say.....The NCAA is really mad at Kentucky. So Cleveland State is going to get 2 years probation.
Any program that can go thru one of the worst scandals in sports history and come out better on the back end, is either very lucky or very good. Football gods have been kind to say the least.. They cover up decades of pedophilia, lose a legendary coach to the grim reaper, and not only do they get sanctions lifted, but they are MUCH better off now than had they not done this in the first place. Think about it, this never comes out, paterno is still coach for another year (til he dies of course) and then they probably do an internal hire. You know, because psu likes to keep all this crap in house.. They lose out on Bob, who was a good coach. Those scumbags actually lucked out by raping kids.. That is pretty ridiculous..
Case in point with paterno.. He deserved an indictment and probable jail time, instead he got death.. He lucked out bigtime
It will come back to them. Temple spanked them and they barely survive Buffalo. When they pay the better teams it will show. And they may when only 6 games at best. With that some recruits will run. And the cries will come from alumi and former players for franklin's head as evidenced by the Temple game.
There is no luck involved whatsoever. PSU and fans have sold their souls in an attempt to regain its prior level of prominence. Rutgers isn't willing to go quite that far.
That's funny. None of those people cried for any of the kids who's lives are ruined. But they will cry when they lose a football game. Hope they all end up in hell.
Another key figure inthe Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse case weighed in Tuesday with his take on whether former Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno was an active participant in efforts to cover up Sandusky's sex crimes.
In an interview recorded for CBS 60 Minutes Sports, former Chief Deputy Attorney General Frank Fina said flatly: "I did not find that evidence."
There was a ton of circumstantial evidence: Sandusky, arguably the best defensive coordinator, is told by Paterno that he'd NEVER be the head coach at Penn State; then ol' Jerry retires at the peak of his career? And we're to believe that Joe didn't know, and he tolerated Jerry's presence around the team and on campus? And Jerry was an honored guest at Joe's final home game - he sat in the president's private box at Beaver Stadium.
And isn't it true that while Joe made an appearance at Jerry's retirement party, but that his stay was very brief - he acted as though he couldn't wait to get outta there?
The board of trustees, specifically their handpicked president Rodney Erickson signed the paperwork giving sandusky unfettered access to campus facilities. That same board of trustees was the crew who partied with sandusky in the president's suite every game, even after the grand jury in march. I think everything you stated is a fact, but you're using circumstantial evidence with joe, which you stated. Fina said there was no evidence, and he prosecuted the case.
You don't think that it's possible that given that Joe was gone, that he was simply being kind? Some people - even prosecutors - see no good coming out of throwing more dirt on the dead.
Sure it is possible.
But Fina's words are his words, and he did willingly choose to say them. He certainly could have also simply deflected the question, e.g., said : "I don't know, and I frankly think that the question is rather irrelevant at this point, given that Paterno is dead."
The exact words from that interview, for the record:
Keteyian: “Do you believe that coach Paterno was part of the conspiracy to conceal — to cover up the crimes at Penn State?”
Fina: “I do not. And — and I — I’m viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence.”
I'm not a Paterno apologist, I believe in his moral guilt. But I am not convinced he was a part of a cover-up.
Fair enough to those with an opinion of "Paterno was a part of a cover-up and he would have been indicted had he lived", but I find the words from the DA pretty darn hard to spin.
I have no problem with JoePa reporting to his "superior". By law, he did what he had to do. But everything after that is just too fishy to not be a cover-up. Even up to the point in time in which it was finally revealed what that devil Sandusky had done.
Really the only problem I have with Paterno is that I think a cover-up definitely was going on for one. Secondly, for years I heard from EVERYONE that Joe Paterno ran Penn State, he is Penn State, nothing happens at Penn State that Joe doesn't know about or approve. Then this happens and everyone acts like he was just their football coach, so how does he get blamed or anything?
It's just the double standard used with Paterno that bothers me. You can't have it both ways. If he really did essentially "run" Penn State, then he is the one that allowed Sandusky to have access to the building up until November 2012. I also think Penn State fans kind of just brush off the e-mails claiming they don't really prove much. Just cause you have to read into a little bit, doesn't mean that they didn't at the least start to paint the picture of what was going on there.
Really the only problem I have with Paterno is that I think a cover-up definitely was going on for one. Secondly, for years I heard from EVERYONE that Joe Paterno ran Penn State, he is Penn State, nothing happens at Penn State that Joe doesn't know about or approve. Then this happens and everyone acts like he was just their football coach, so how does he get blamed or anything?
It's just the double standard used with Paterno that bothers me. You can't have it both ways. If he really did essentially "run" Penn State, then he is the one that allowed Sandusky to have access to the building up until November 2012. I also think Penn State fans kind of just brush off the e-mails claiming they don't really prove much. Just cause you have to read into a little bit, doesn't mean that they didn't at the least start to paint the picture of what was going on there.
Of course, you're gonna believe what fits the agenda. I get it.
That's why it's laughable when the Freeh Report -- the very report that your university commissioned and paid for -- was blown-off as lies, exaggerations and creative writing. The Joebots blow-off the findings that they don't like, but coddle the "findings" that fit whatever they want to believe.
Life is so much more pleasant when one can pick and choose one's truths. Kind of like a Chinese Menu of morality for the Joebots....
Joe Paterno was informed of the accusations against his buddy Jerry a decade prior. Joe knew whenever any toilet on campus was flushing and by whom it was flushed. Inability to garner sufficient evidence for trial is not proof of innocence.
Joe turns slowly on a rotisserie in hell watching an endless circular tape of the Temple game.
Joe turns slowly on a rotisserie in hell watching an endless circular tape of the Temple game.
That's just it: we were always told that Joe knew EVERYTHING about his team: who was cutting classes, who was out partying after curfew, who had a fight with his girlfriend, who was struggling in history class, etc, etc, etc. But when it came to whether or not he knew that his own defensive coordinator was being investigated for molesting under-aged boys, suddenly he morphed into Helen Keller - he didn't hear anything, see anything, and lived in perpetual darkness? Really???
Meanwhile, quite a few people in State College had heard the rumors about Jerry. (It was even referenced on these message boards.) But Joe - who supposedly knew everything - never knew a thing.
Of course, you're gonna believe what fits the agenda. I get it.
That's why it's laughable when the Freeh Report -- the very report that your university commissioned and paid for -- was blown-off as lies, exaggerations and creative writing. The Joebots blow-off the findings that they don't like, but coddle the "findings" that fit whatever they want to believe.
Life is so much more pleasant when one can pick and choose one's truths. Kind of like a Chinese Menu of morality for the Joebots....
I mean, not to be rude as I know I am a visitor here ----- but when you say "You don't think that it's possible that given that Joe was gone, that he was simply being kind?" --- aren't you sort of "looking at Frank Fina's statement" and "picking and choosing" what fits YOUR beliefs???
Fina said what he said. The Freeh Report said what it said. I ignore none of it and spin (let's be blunt, you ARE spinning Fina's words) none of it.
It's amazing how penn state fans changed their story on joe.. Before this came out, he was omnipotent, after, he was a tired old man with a fading mind.. I just hope those victims, aka the fans, get the time needed to heal thru this ordeal.That's just it: we were always told that Joe knew EVERYTHING about his team: who was cutting classes, who was out partying after curfew, who had a fight with his girlfriend, who was struggling in history class, etc, etc, etc. But when it came to whether or not he knew that his own defensive coordinator was being investigated for molesting under-aged boys, suddenly he morphed into Helen Keller - he didn't hear anything, see anything, and lived in perpetual darkness? Really???
Meanwhile, quite a few people in State College had heard the rumors about Jerry. (It was even referenced on these message boards.) But Joe - who supposedly knew everything - never knew a thing.
I'll be honest, I just don't find Fina credible. DA Gricar almost had a case, and then sadly disappeared. Not just trying to fit my agenda, I just think more than likely a DA was put in place that wasn't going to allow everything to come out. Penn Staters (maybe not Mitch included, I don't want to attack him if that's not how he feels) dispute everything that puts them in a negative light. I'm not disputing anything, I just don't trust the word of this particular individual.
What world do you live in? Happy Valley is not that big of a place. Have you ever lived in a small town? They are all the same and everyone knows everybody's business. If that was going on with Sandusky, people knew. I'm sure your God paterno knew. You cannot keep those kinds of secrets quiet. No matter how hard you try. And that is what got PoSU and paterno in trouble, trying to keep it quiet. Maybe there was no cover up, who knows. BUT PEOPLE KNEW!! And I guarantee paterno knew.
This was known throughout the psu world. These rumors were flying around for years prior to this coming out. Maybe they didn't actually know for sure, but I remember hearing rumors about this 10+years ago..
I don't remember hearing it that long ago as I was still in grade school then lol, but I did hear rumors swirling long before the story broke. I just have to say though, the worst part of this is Nitters saying Joe Paterno was a victim in this.
I don't care if he was innocent and was wrongly convicted for a crime. The kids in this situation were THE ONLY victims. Period.
I have a problem with him just reporting it to his superiors. Talk to any PoSU fan about paterno before all of this happened and they will tell you he was a great man, a humanitarian, righteous, one who stands up and fights for right and wrong, a legend, a great human being. I never believed a word of just because of the way he would talk, especially when angry. People's flaws tend to come out when faced with adversity. But he knew about this. He got the information from one of his coaches and what did he do? The least he was required to do and to top it off he waited an entire weekend to do the least he could do.
I'm sorry, but a man who is everything they said above does MORE than he is required to do. He goes ABOVE AND BEYOND. All he did was prove that all he fed you people at PoSU was lies. The grand experiment. Success with honor. More like success with disgrace. He sold out everything for penn state football. Even his fans. And they are too dumb to know it. But I guess when you find out that everything you revolved your life around was a complete lie, you live in denial.
I'm sorry, but a man who is everything they said above does MORE than he is required to do. He goes ABOVE AND BEYOND. All he did was prove that all he fed you people at PoSU was lies. The grand experiment. Success with honor. More like success with disgrace. He sold out everything for penn state football. Even his fans. And they are too dumb to know it. But I guess when you find out that everything you revolved your life around was a complete lie, you live in denial.
J. Paterno - “ I am a benevolent dictator”
If JP were around he would be delaying trial just as the other 3 are doing the Pennsyltucky two step!
If JP were around he would be delaying trial just as the other 3 are doing the Pennsyltucky two step!
I'll agree with you that if he was as great as Nitters say he was, he should've done more. JoePa himself even said he wished he would have. I just personally think how he handled the situation after, like allowing Jerry to still hang around after he knew what happened, is what really bothers me.
It may be a long time, if ever before we hear the full story. Ever since the story came out rumors have been swirling about all kinds reasons this continued to go on for years. I'm sure not every one of them is true, but there's more to this story than what we've heard.
I remember reading it on these same message boards before this all came out. There were posters, I don't remember who they were, but they kept talking about it and saying it is going to come out.
That I do remember. I wanna say at the latest it was maybe June of 2011 there were people on here saying that. I vividly remember asking some Penn State buddies in September of that year if they had heard anything.
The answers were typical PSU fan answers. Ranging from simply "no I heard nothing" to "no I didn't hear, but a great defensive coordinator either way."
I think most people knew it was gonna come out and were just hoping it wouldn't. I still find the timing of the story breaking to be very suspicious. Coincidences like that don't just "happen".
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Maybe I'm just completely out of the loop and naive (and I don't live in Pennsylvania either) ..... but all these "I heard stuff well before 2011" anecdotes astound me.
I never heard ANYTHING prior to November 5th, 2011, and I'm one who goes to multiple games a year and visits college football message boards (not just PSU) every day.
It 100% was talked about on this board before November of that year. As I was saying earlier though, it's a message board you can't believe everything so I thought it could just be a rumor. It just so happens it ended up being true. Doesn't make any of us smarter or you dumber, but I know for a fact it was talked about on this board.
Mark Madden wrote about it 8 months prior to that: http://www.timesonline.com/columnis...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html
I remember people calling PoSU pedophiles before this all came out. At that time I couldn't figure out what in the world they were talking about. When asked, the one poster said there will be a bombshell coming out of happy valley very soon. That was over the summer prior to it actually coming out.
The grand jury testimony was in March. The board of trustees was still partying with Jerry in the football suites during the Illinois game in Oct. The leaders of the university knew he was the subject of a grand jury investigation and they are knowingly partying with him 6 months later. How you put this on paterno boggles the mind.
From reading your posts I would say it doesn't take much to boggle your mind. What you just said makes no sense whatsoever. He knew, and did the very least he was required to do. What boggles your mind is pre-scandal he was a great and righteous man. Post-scandal he was old and didn't really know any better. A great and righteous man would do more than the least required. I don't know about you, but if I walk past a burning house I try to get the victims out of the fire. I don't just call 911 and watch the house burn.
Pretty simple actually.....Joe was told by McCreary and passed the info onto the AD and VP. Nothing happens....pretty serious accusation wouldn't you think? If Joe cared wouldn't you think he'd say, "Hey Curley, what ever happened with that Sandusky thing I told you about? Why is Jerry still hanging around here? Why isn't he under arrest, or whatever?? Oh, then there was that little e-mail where Joe vetoed the planned action regarding Ole Jer. But, I forgot, that was another Joe.
Anyone who can't connect THOSE dots is in denial or slurping the Happy Valley Kool-Aid big time.
Also by basically admitting the leaders of the university knew and were still partying with Jerry, only makes Penn State look worse. That is completely a lack of institutional control there. Anything less than the death penalty was just a slap on the wrist for Penn State.
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