Quite more than possible. Look at what happened to Paterno and Penn State when this all came out. You don't think he knew that would be the outcome? He didn't like Jerry because he knew this was going to ruin Penn State's reputation.
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My point is this....Joe did not want him around prior to the 2001 incident....that is well documented. After that incident (McQueary situation) Sandusky was banned from campus. I know that for fact because I was a graduate student at the time. Instead of taking the 2nd Mile Kids to campus, there was a local gym that he started taking them to. I know that for fact because that is where my wife and I worked out at. We saw them there all the time. At the time, I certainly did not think much of but it certainly makes sense now....because he was not allowed back on campus.
There are handwritten notes by Joe that even Louis Freeh acknowledges where Joe wrote....that he did not want 2nd Mile kids on campus.
Folks cannot have it both ways....some people on here have posted that everyone in the community knew about sandusky and yet others say there was a cover up. Which one was it. You cannot have it both ways. If there was a cover up, it was the worst one in history...if "everyone in town" knew about it.
There are handwritten notes by Joe that even Louis Freeh acknowledges where Joe wrote....that he did not want 2nd Mile kids on campus.
Folks cannot have it both ways....some people on here have posted that everyone in the community knew about sandusky and yet others say there was a cover up. Which one was it. You cannot have it both ways. If there was a cover up, it was the worst one in history...if "everyone in town" knew about it.
I think one thing that should raise eyebrows of all Pennsylvanians is this...why did it take so long to do something about Sandusky. Well, we can easily blame Joe. Sure, that is one thought. But think about this....even after Tom Corbett started his investigation as Attorney General it took years and even some Investigators for the state said he slow-walked the case. And he had Narcotics investigators working it rather than Sex Crimes Investigators. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Joe Paterno makes the story but there is much more corruption in that state. I am glad I don't live there.
Let me ask you this....you do know he was investigated in 1998, correct?? There is debate whether Joe knew about this or not. Either way, why do the police and the psychologists who interviewed him in 1998 not take blame. If he was taken off in 1998, there would never have been a PSU incident (no McQueary incident). The reality is that these folks are master manipulators and groom entire communities. That is one lesson everyone should learn.
The only thing I agree with him about is Tom Corbett. He had a huge impact on delaying the news breaking until when it did. I think it's pretty clear Corbett and the leaders at Penn State knew this would break, and came to an agreement on when to conveniently allow it too.
Corbett becomes governor in January 2011 and the story breaks the week after Paterno wins #409. Corrupt politicians are all over this state and it's not hard to figure out what's going on if you take that into consideration.
Corbett becomes governor in January 2011 and the story breaks the week after Paterno wins #409. Corrupt politicians are all over this state and it's not hard to figure out what's going on if you take that into consideration.
Well Corbett took money from the 2nd mile executives but then said he gave it back but only took it as not to tip them off. Yeeeeeeeaaahhhhh. I believe that
You're absolutely right. McQueary should've gone directly to the police. Most "normal" people would have.
He knew what he'd seen - but he was well versed in the Penn State protocol, which was:
"It there's a problem, take it to Joe". ***(I've posted this before, but I had a State College bartender tell me the same thing: in the event that one of the football players was acting-up in the bar, he was told, "Don't call the police; call Joe." And he had a special phone number for this purpose.)
McQueary was a State College kid, and he wanted a job; and he was informed enough to know that whistle-blowers don't get jobs in the Athletic Department at Penn State.
And so McQueary was eventually well rewarded for doing what he did: he got the big promotion: from lowly graduate assistant to Assistant Coach, as in "Welcome to the big time, young man - your silence has been noted and appreciated. You're our kind of guy - you're now officially one of us."
Not disputing what you said, but if that's true, why did it take so long for Joe to object that Jerry was still around?
And why did Joe object about Jerry at all - his former defensive coordinator, who was at least partially responsible for much of Joe's success? Could it possibly have been related to something heinous that Joe knew about Jerry?
Exactly. Your first 4 words nailed it: "The reason JF said..." If he said it, that makes it automatically true? The guy has an alibi for everything.
He lied during an investigation - case closed.
It did not take long...as I mentioned he did not want the 2nd Mile kids or Jerry around long before that incident. The paterno children were always around the Sandusky house from what I have been told...if Joe really thought he would hurt a kid, I don't think he would allow his kids to go around.
Going back into the 90's, most folks thought Sandusky would take over after Joe. That is well known and why not. He was the leader of that defense that made PSU great going back many years. From what I have been told, Joe told him that he would have to give up the 2nd mile work because it would take too much time away from coaching. I have been told Sandusky said no and that is the reason Joe told him he would never be head coach then. That dispute between the two is why he probably retired in 1999.
Listen, we can all armchair qb in hind sight...that is easy. There is just absolutely no motive or reason for Joe to intentionally try and protect Sandusky after 1999 when he was no longer a coach. It just makes no sense.
As far as JF....he never lied to an Investigator....nor anyone from Metro Nashville Police. If he had, he would have been indicted. I can promise you that.
The issue around the lying is this....when the story first broke, JF told his team...."listen guys, I saw the video and it was horrible what happened." He wanted his team to know the seriousness of the situation and that it was not some horseplay. Keep in mind...batey and vandenburg told teammates that it was consensual and what not. But when you see video, you see there was no way it was consensual.
I understand his motive...he had been told what was on the video but had not actually seen it.
He wasn't protecting Ol Jer, he was protecting the BRAND, and his image/legacy! Duhhhhh!
Now, please go away, don't you have a big rivalry game to get ready for????
Nashville lion taking his turn at defending the cult that is joebot u. He has been diligent if not persistent in his defense of a coach who fired by his employer and a school that will forever be stained ALL for not being heros by properly reporting a sick pedophile.
Then there his defense of jimmy “dominatrix” franks who checks out his employees' WAGs to see it they are the right material.
Then there his defense of jimmy “dominatrix” franks who checks out his employees' WAGs to see it they are the right material.
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We could have hired Narduzzi and you guys would hate him. I get it!!! I am just trying to provide some facts because of where I live.
Last I knew Narduzzi hasn't been involved in a rape cover up, so I doubt he would have been psu material
So why did Sandusky act as a Commencement speaker with Penn State in 2003?....Why was he in the Presidents box watching the 409 game...? Sure sounds to me as if Jerry did what Jerry wanted and any talk of keeping him away from penn state was toothless ....completely toothless....gotta wonder how often Jerry was in that box....Id bet he was a frequent guest.
JS had his get out of jail free card when the administration failed to act properly and he knew it! This really is not that complicated folks
The funny thing is that this is exactly the reason why this whole thing became a problem in the first place, because Paterno and the Three Stooges were more worried about how all this would affect the football program than they were about the kids. And then you try to turn their actions around on everyone else.
Joe was worried about how the scandal would affect Joe. Joe was worried about how the scandal would affect his legacy. Joe was worried about how the scandal would affect the football program. Joe was worried about how the scandal would affect recruiting. Joe and the Stooges, long before any of us knew anything other than the decades long rumor about what Ol' Jer was up to. Had Paterno and the Stooges done the right thing, not in any legal sense but in the much more important moral sense, then no one would have bad thoughts about any of them on the subject.
Or at least they wouldn't until questions started to come up about what they actually knew and when they actually knew it. And since that was for well more than a decade before Sandusky finally got "caught", well, that would have looked just that much worse.
I guess someone could at least understand why a nitter who tied up so much of their life's value in the myth that their god Paterno was a great man who did everything right all the time and that their alma mater was so much better than the rest could defend the indefensible so strenuously. That you, someone who claims to have no affiliation with them, could be so strident in your defense of the indefensible is, well, let's just be polite and call it extremely odd.
But the thing that you never seem to be able to wrap your head around is the why. Why didn't he want Sandusky around? Why did he put his old friend and top assistant out to pasture when he did? Why did he suddenly tell his heir apparent that he would never become the head coach at Penn State? Why did he not want him around after that? I'm sure it was all just a big coincidence that all that started right after the first time that Sandusky was investigated for molesting children. Because clearly there is no way that someone who said dozens of times over the years that nothing happens with his football team that he doesn't know about would ever have found out about potential legal proceeding against a member of his program before it became public, right? That never happened once, right?
Yeah, sure.
Dude! That's the point. NO ONE is taking blame! It was all Sandusky and everybody else was innocent according to you guys. That is the point.
When "success with honor" mattered the most, they couldn't walk the walk. It is now just a line of bs. No one had honor.
Joe turned the info from McQueary over to his superiors. He fulfilled his legal obligation. Its doubtful there is anything he could have done to prevent one less kid from being abused by Sandusky.
haha.. the Penn State guy trying to keep a PSU thread on top.
Well... I dont know what the OP was talking about... but there isnt a university out there that would want PSU's "Luck" haha..
Well... I dont know what the OP was talking about... but there isnt a university out there that would want PSU's "Luck" haha..
Perhaps, but certainly not his moral obligation. Which is something that everyone with a brain can see. And is significantly worse. And makes him the worst kind of hypocrite. Which is why you defending him to the hilt is so, well, let's call it extremely odd again and leave it at that.
Yeah. He fulfilled his legal obligation. He took the information from McQueary, that awful and horrible information and wasted no time going to his superiors. Oh wait, he waited the weekend. He didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend. Meanwhile that child's LIFE was ruined. Yeah, a real stand up guy. Keep logically defending him.
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