Joe was a nickname they called everyone up there in crappy valley. Everyone was called Joe.
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Fina isn't kicking over the tombstone. Even he isn't that stupid.
You're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. But there's a preponderance of evidence - things that we know about the way that your football program has been run, the other crimes that your university conveniently refused to report, the way that your head coach was deified, and again - the way that we've been told over and over that "Joe has such a close relationship to his team that he knows everything about them" - until now.
Never mind that Jerry was reportedly inviting little boys to spend the night in his room at Toftrees (on the nights before home games) and bringing them on road trips with him. (So I guess that Joe didn't know about that either?) Or was that simply Jerry being the Great Humanitarian who was loved and respected so much?
It's a joke to think that Joe didn't know what Jerry was doing. Seriously. How could he (of all people) not know when the rumors were all over State College, PA. As I noted earlier, veiled references were even made about it on these boards.
But if it makes you feel better, keep believing whatever you want to.
This simply isn't some big mystery to solve here and in fact what happened is completely obvious to any sane individual... It's not even worthy of being a scooby-doo show ... It's that bad..that obvious...the only reason everything hasn't entirely gone up in flames is money...period.
The heavensgaters are now mad as hell their "god" was torn to shreds...
Just imagine, they waited for years as true believers for that day when "god" would retire & be honored & worshipped television specials , ESPN all praising their beloved leader as "god"...that day never came...instead he was fired...twice,in fact, and in disgrace...(side note ESPN was there ..so there's that I guess).
Now they are left filling their beer guts with bad cheap beer in commemorative aluminum cans declaring "409" on them...as if anyone outside their universe cares a rat turd....
The heavensgaters are now mad as hell their "god" was torn to shreds...
Just imagine, they waited for years as true believers for that day when "god" would retire & be honored & worshipped television specials , ESPN all praising their beloved leader as "god"...that day never came...instead he was fired...twice,in fact, and in disgrace...(side note ESPN was there ..so there's that I guess).
Now they are left filling their beer guts with bad cheap beer in commemorative aluminum cans declaring "409" on them...as if anyone outside their universe cares a rat turd....
Rutgers is not our big rival. Rutgers and Maryland want to be our big rivals but they are not yet. It will take more than a just of year of being in the league.
They have an "assigned" rival, Michigan State for the vaunted Land Grant Trophy! Second only to the River City Trophy in prestige!
It is one of the great storied rivalries going back decades and decades with much tradition and legend associated with it! Oh the stories they can tell...............
It is one of the great storied rivalries going back decades and decades with much tradition and legend associated with it! Oh the stories they can tell...............
I would say that we have developed some great rivalries with Big Ten teams...Say what you want but when we play Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, etc...those are big games. There are very few rivalries in which the entire country cares....I would say those are limited to Auburn vs Alabama, Ohio State vs Michigan, Clemson Vs. South Carolina.
I think Pitt vs WVU used to be one of the great rivalries as well. I always enjoyed watching the Backyard Brawl. That is one of the sad parts about conference realignment...seeing those great games go away. It makes zero sense for WVU to be in the Big 12.
I think Pitt vs WVU used to be one of the great rivalries as well. I always enjoyed watching the Backyard Brawl. That is one of the sad parts about conference realignment...seeing those great games go away. It makes zero sense for WVU to be in the Big 12.
It's funny, they can't even pick up on their own arrogance. What is even more funny is OSU and Michigan say that same exact thing about PoSU.
Do you even know how arrogant that sounds? This is why everyone hates you guys. This is how you sound EVERY TIME you talk.
What you sound like is "Penn State is so great, it will take a lot of work for Maryland and Rutgers to be worthy of being our rival." That is what you sound like.
Do you even know how arrogant that sounds? This is why everyone hates you guys. This is how you sound EVERY TIME you talk.
What you sound like is "Penn State is so great, it will take a lot of work for Maryland and Rutgers to be worthy of being our rival." That is what you sound like.
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Freeport panther...I would not expect you to be excited about those games. I don't know why we can't have civil discussion. Oh, well.
No, that is not true at all. My point is this...we have played Rutgers once in the past 15 years...and Maryland once in the past 15 years. How do you have a rivalry with someone you have never played. Seriously. This is not us thumbing our nose at anyone. Do you have a rivalry with UVA yet? Probably not...but with time that happens. We have played Ohio State every year since what 1994.
very few teams have rivals anymore, rivalries have taken a backseat to money/conference realignment. Psu has just as many rivalries as we do, none.. Penn state fans who think osu considers them a rival is as funny as pitt fans who think notre dame considers us a rival. Long history sure but about 4th or 5th in the pecking order of rivals.. psu AD did come off smug with that statement but smugness from Sandusky-land isn't that uncommon..
I don't what to pick on you, really. But when you word it like "they want to be our rivals", you make it sound like you are too good for them. Maybe you don't see it. It is just how you worded it. And that is how most of your fans sound when you talk. It's like talking about someone and then saying "he wants to be my friend." It sounds like they will be rivals when you say they are and not a minute sooner.
No, we don't really have a rival as of yet. I think we could be rivals with Syracuse since we have played them 70 times or so and we came over to the ACC together. We could one day possibly be rivals with Notre Dame. No, we don't play every year but we are their 5th most played opponent. Since they are associated with the ACC they cannot keep some of their other most common opponents. It looks like they have dropped their Big Ten opponents and have kept USC, Stanford, and Navy, so we would come after those three. So along with Boston College, they can play us now on a rotation.
And it looks to me like we are being paired with Miami the way you are with Michigan State. We have also had some good games against Virginia Tech.
No, we don't really have a rival as of yet. I think we could be rivals with Syracuse since we have played them 70 times or so and we came over to the ACC together. We could one day possibly be rivals with Notre Dame. No, we don't play every year but we are their 5th most played opponent. Since they are associated with the ACC they cannot keep some of their other most common opponents. It looks like they have dropped their Big Ten opponents and have kept USC, Stanford, and Navy, so we would come after those three. So along with Boston College, they can play us now on a rotation.
And it looks to me like we are being paired with Miami the way you are with Michigan State. We have also had some good games against Virginia Tech.
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fighting out these details is ridiculous, especially when elected officials in central pa are involved. joe knew. everyone knew. it was the worst scandal in sports history and it literally killed him.
my dad was a booster. most of my family and friends are psu alums. i attended more state college quarterback club dinners than most of the bwi board posters have attended games. my grandfather played for the psu freshman team pre ww2. we deserved the death penalty. i hope the new administration focuses on solely on academics but i know that's a dream.
my dad was a booster. most of my family and friends are psu alums. i attended more state college quarterback club dinners than most of the bwi board posters have attended games. my grandfather played for the psu freshman team pre ww2. we deserved the death penalty. i hope the new administration focuses on solely on academics but i know that's a dream.
Fair enough on the wording. That is not what I meant so just let me clarify it. Rutgers fans and Maryland fans...including their head coaches both said they want a rivalry with PSU. That is fair enough. I think the term is overblown personally. We are rivals with anyone we play against on a regular basis. People in the Big Ten are our rivals...so with time they will be our rivals.
Ohio State fans can say what they want...but when they play us at night...they get pretty amped. Look at the overall record against each other. It was dead even until the past 3 years...I think they have about a 3 game lead now. Historically it has been dead even...even in the Big Ten years. That is just plain fact.
Zippychippy...I get it man...people that don't like PSU don't want us to focus on athletics....truth is this. Every school and every kid deserves a shot to be a student athlete. The student is going to get out of it what they put into it. At every school (PITT and PSU included) that kid can get an education and play ball. Our school is not going to quit competing in any sport. In some sports we are very good (volleyball, fencing, wrestling) and in some not so good (hoops). That does not mean we quit trying.
I root for those young men and women and I would expect you to do the same for PITT. Joe Paterno is dead and Sandusky is in prison. The other three have not had their day in court. I suspect the state has a weak case....otherwise that baby would have went to trial by now. Truth is that both sides are probably happy just letting this drag on.
Good luck Saturday in your game.
Ohio State fans can say what they want...but when they play us at night...they get pretty amped. Look at the overall record against each other. It was dead even until the past 3 years...I think they have about a 3 game lead now. Historically it has been dead even...even in the Big Ten years. That is just plain fact.
Zippychippy...I get it man...people that don't like PSU don't want us to focus on athletics....truth is this. Every school and every kid deserves a shot to be a student athlete. The student is going to get out of it what they put into it. At every school (PITT and PSU included) that kid can get an education and play ball. Our school is not going to quit competing in any sport. In some sports we are very good (volleyball, fencing, wrestling) and in some not so good (hoops). That does not mean we quit trying.
I root for those young men and women and I would expect you to do the same for PITT. Joe Paterno is dead and Sandusky is in prison. The other three have not had their day in court. I suspect the state has a weak case....otherwise that baby would have went to trial by now. Truth is that both sides are probably happy just letting this drag on.
Good luck Saturday in your game.
I could not really care...if they did wrong, well then they will be judged one day. They are not affiliated with our program. Time to move on.
Once again a nit wit does not understand the reason why the administration would conceal a pedophile. Really pretty sad and pathetic
The fact is no one knows. The freeh report and the other investigations had no subpoena powers, so no one had to tell them anything if they didn't want to. Until the three stooges and corresponding witnesses are put on the stand or deposed, everything is pure speculation. So anyone stating that Joe definately knew is speculating, and Fina and anyone who says that he wasn't involved is speculating.
Very nice post. Finally some penn state fans that are rational. The main reason your fan base is so hated is because of the arrogance. No one knows why or where it comes from because their is no reason for it.
I just put myself in the place of a penn state fan. If this were my school, I would have been ashamed. But most of your fans have amped up their pride. They were more proud just after the scandal than they were before it. And in times like this, humility is best served. Keep quiet, show remorse, and be humble. But most of them act like THEY were the victims. All those kids lives are ruined, forever. Yet not many of your fans show any kind of empathy or even sympathy. Maybe you can't put yourselves in their place to know how they feel, but you could at least imagine how you would feel if it were YOUR kids that happened to. I would guarantee if it were, you would no longer be a penn state fan.
And with the facts of what happened, if we are right or wrong on them, getting defensive and fighting over it makes your fans even worse. It doesn't matter if we are wrong, perception is what the world sees, right or not. It takes time for these things to go away, and they never will go away if your fans keep fighting anyone and everyone who talks about your school.
I just put myself in the place of a penn state fan. If this were my school, I would have been ashamed. But most of your fans have amped up their pride. They were more proud just after the scandal than they were before it. And in times like this, humility is best served. Keep quiet, show remorse, and be humble. But most of them act like THEY were the victims. All those kids lives are ruined, forever. Yet not many of your fans show any kind of empathy or even sympathy. Maybe you can't put yourselves in their place to know how they feel, but you could at least imagine how you would feel if it were YOUR kids that happened to. I would guarantee if it were, you would no longer be a penn state fan.
And with the facts of what happened, if we are right or wrong on them, getting defensive and fighting over it makes your fans even worse. It doesn't matter if we are wrong, perception is what the world sees, right or not. It takes time for these things to go away, and they never will go away if your fans keep fighting anyone and everyone who talks about your school.
Well then you were out of the loop, and somehow still are even with the mountains of logic staring you in the face.
Let's hope you are truly naive, because the alternative is damn ugly.
Unfortunately, running to other school's message boards in defense of your hero speaks volumes.
Respect for you and your ilk = none.
Of course we were both embarrassed and ashamed that it happened. But while you see a lot of Penn Staters as arrogant for still being proud....we also see some outsiders as gloating that this happened. You cannot deny that. The people that already hated us threw that in our face. Here is the bottom line....Sandusky is the bad guy in all of this. Not me....not my friends who are PSU alums. That is the most important thing to keep in mind.
I am still very much proud to be a Penn Stater. Why not? I have a great graduate degree in a top 10 program. I am proud of the friends I made and the lifelong connections. I did not grow up in Pennsylvania but I love the Commonwealth now. There are so many great people throughout the entire Keystone state.
A lot of my buddies in Nashville gave me grief...just because they knew how much I loved Penn State. They were never like...you should be ashamed and wear a scarlet letter. I did nothing wrong. I am a husband and a father. I love my family more than anything. I feel bad for any kid that is abused or mistreated. Sadly, this is a nationwide problem. It happens way to often in every area and throughout all demographics. It is not a football issue and it is not a PSU issue. PSU got the attention because of their name but this is not isolated to central PA.
I would hope we can all do more to protect children.
I am still very much proud to be a Penn Stater. Why not? I have a great graduate degree in a top 10 program. I am proud of the friends I made and the lifelong connections. I did not grow up in Pennsylvania but I love the Commonwealth now. There are so many great people throughout the entire Keystone state.
A lot of my buddies in Nashville gave me grief...just because they knew how much I loved Penn State. They were never like...you should be ashamed and wear a scarlet letter. I did nothing wrong. I am a husband and a father. I love my family more than anything. I feel bad for any kid that is abused or mistreated. Sadly, this is a nationwide problem. It happens way to often in every area and throughout all demographics. It is not a football issue and it is not a PSU issue. PSU got the attention because of their name but this is not isolated to central PA.
I would hope we can all do more to protect children.
And this is why you fail and are pathetic. The nepotistic, insular and isolated hero-worship culture of Penn State, more aptly the cult of Penn State (and that is exactly what it is, a cult of personality built around a fraud) made it uniquely conducive to covering up decades of child rape in the name of protecting the image. And how does your noble institution deal with it? It fights tooth and nail to keep the status quo: keeps on the best recruiters who were entrenched in the Paterno regime instead of making a clean sweep, does everything in its power to play out the season to minimize damage to the football program, prioritizes coaching searches over installing new outside institutional leadership, spends log folds more on PR than restitutions....the list goes on and on. Your sick ass alumni abused protesters outside Beaver, overwhelming elect board members with protect Paterno legacy platforms, slapped innumerable numbers of 409 stickers on your cars...essentially played the victim and championed the them vs us mentality. Worst, your administration, coming of the most heinous scandal in sports history, hires a coach in the midsts of his own rape scandal and then a president that oversaw another scandal ridden program.
What the F&*(K are you proud of? "2012" plastered underneath your press box? Your ilk is seriously sickening.
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I'm not sure about the gloating. I lived as a kid in central Pa for many years and I lived with pretty much all penn state fans. Even then as a kid I could see the how fake paterno was. And even then I could see the fans eating it up as it was gospel. All I heard was how penn state does things the right way.
I think that movie "Something for Joey", though I did like the movie, I believe started your school's and fan's arrogance. You began to act like you were above everyone. Because of Cappelleti and Paterno they began to think penn state had some kind of divine spirit about them. Then paterno saying he was staying put in penn state because he "didn't want to leave college football to the Switzer's and Sherrill's of the world." Meanwhile he is keeping quiet all the things his players were doing. He would discipline his players himself, he wouldn't let the school do it and he disciplined them by doing virtually nothing. Of course back in those days the media wasn't all over the place so he was able to hide everything that was going on and nobody outside of happy valley knew it.
All these years your fans and school had this attitude that you were above everyone else and the fact was you were no better than anyone, just better at hiding everything. And when it all began to fall apart there was an "I told you so" attitude from everyone outside of penn state. That may be gloating, possibly. But in my opinion it was relief that maybe you guys finally learn the truth about your school and you are no better than us.
But your attitude did not change, it got worse. You started to act like the victims and it really disgusted everyone. Young kids were being abused on your campus and YOU were the victims because it hurt penn state football. That is a sick attitude. And you cannot deny that. So your fans have been in the defense mode while we have been in the put your fans in their place mode. To me that is not gloating, its more like we have had enough. You, not you personally, but your fans disgust us and we don't want any part of you. That's not only a Pitt attitude, it happens to be the attitude of most fan bases now. OSU, Michigan, Iowa, etc.
Then to make matters worse, your fans think everyone hates you because of envy. That is a "WOW" moment when I hear that.
Do you understand where we are coming from?
I think that movie "Something for Joey", though I did like the movie, I believe started your school's and fan's arrogance. You began to act like you were above everyone. Because of Cappelleti and Paterno they began to think penn state had some kind of divine spirit about them. Then paterno saying he was staying put in penn state because he "didn't want to leave college football to the Switzer's and Sherrill's of the world." Meanwhile he is keeping quiet all the things his players were doing. He would discipline his players himself, he wouldn't let the school do it and he disciplined them by doing virtually nothing. Of course back in those days the media wasn't all over the place so he was able to hide everything that was going on and nobody outside of happy valley knew it.
All these years your fans and school had this attitude that you were above everyone else and the fact was you were no better than anyone, just better at hiding everything. And when it all began to fall apart there was an "I told you so" attitude from everyone outside of penn state. That may be gloating, possibly. But in my opinion it was relief that maybe you guys finally learn the truth about your school and you are no better than us.
But your attitude did not change, it got worse. You started to act like the victims and it really disgusted everyone. Young kids were being abused on your campus and YOU were the victims because it hurt penn state football. That is a sick attitude. And you cannot deny that. So your fans have been in the defense mode while we have been in the put your fans in their place mode. To me that is not gloating, its more like we have had enough. You, not you personally, but your fans disgust us and we don't want any part of you. That's not only a Pitt attitude, it happens to be the attitude of most fan bases now. OSU, Michigan, Iowa, etc.
Then to make matters worse, your fans think everyone hates you because of envy. That is a "WOW" moment when I hear that.
Do you understand where we are coming from?
Of course they don't understand. That is part of being a cult. Nothing is wrong. It's everyone outside the cult that doesn't get it.
And when people within their community try to stand up trying to move things back towards some baseline of basic human morality, they get assaulted and demonized. That is classic cult.
Well guys, I tried to have a civil conversation. And you just react by insulting. Take care and good luck!!!
I don't think in the last few post I was insulting at all. I was explaining to you why the hate for all things penn state. If you noticed, I never used PoSU in those posts either. I even said "not you personally" when referring to penn state fans.
If you are telling me I am not being civil, it may be that you don't want to hear the truth.
If you are telling me I am not being civil, it may be that you don't want to hear the truth.
I'm sure he was referring to me, but of course they don't want to hear the truth. That's why they've spent millions (and I mean millions), both private money and institutional money, to bury it.
Some of these people used to wear WWJD gear, where J is Joe. This is an institution that prior to the scandal offered a real class, for credit, on Joe Paterno. This is a place where you can still get Peachy Paterno ice cream and where first runs of bad beer with the face of a protector of a serial child rapist sell out instantly. This is not normal. No one defending that institution, past crimes or present operations, can be taken seriously.
These cretins ran to the message board of a school they haven't played in 15 years to defend their dead, defamed hero. They came here. These are not normal people. I do not know how one can seriously respect these individuals.
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Awesome. Other posters and I were able to have a conversation without the insults, but I can ALWAYS count on you (you do the same on other message boards) to have a different tone.
Never change my friend.
I call out the indefensible wherever it is deserved.
I am certainly not your friend. Not an associate. Nothing. You make me want to puke.
I know. I keep telling them they are sick and need help. But of course THEY have to see that and they never will as long as they have each other to fall back on. Anyone who acts like they are victims after a crime involving children is sick. They remind me of the Nazis when questioned on how they could kill innocent people, babies and children, they said "I had to do it or they would have done it to me." They are really saying "They made me do it. I am a victim too." I cannot understand that type of rationalizing.
But I guess that's what happens when you revolve your life around a school or a football team. That is your life, you have nothing else, and now you have to question your entire life. It's pathetic.
But I guess that's what happens when you revolve your life around a school or a football team. That is your life, you have nothing else, and now you have to question your entire life. It's pathetic.
Fair enough.
Three statements for the record (I know you don't care about these statements, but fair enough):
1. JoePa is not my hero.
2. I am nowhere near a JoePa Loyalist.
3. You were wrong in classifying me as one.
You do understand the entire case against Sandusky exploded when a member of the DA was tipped off about things posted ON A MESSAGE BOARD re:McQueary? And then the now infamous questioning in a parking lot where he spilled it all. So yes, you might just be naive.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sandusky-investigation-message-board-2011-11
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So if I would approach a group of tOSU fans and ask them who are their rivals, they'd say PSU? And the same for Michigan?
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