PSU luck

[daminals76]

Don't forget guys...

Penn State is going to be 6-0 when they play the Buckeyes this year!

Lolololololoool

They will finish 5-7 at best this year. That offense is putrid and the D isn't as good as last year.

 

[ratking17]

Let me give you guys an analogy.

Most of you are steelers fans. You may be disgusted with big Ben paying off women and bell smoking dope and Harrison hitting his wife and Vick killing dogs. But you can ignore it because the steelers don't represent you, they are simply the team that you cheer for. You voice your displeasure when Ben had to sit games because of the commish.

I suspect that the vocal minority of psu fans that feel like the victims never went to school there. They are alums of Bloomsburg, Millersville, lock haven etc. So they view this in a prism of professional sports and someone is ruining their entertainment.

Now where the joebots and cult members come into play are those that bought the success with honor crap and felt culturally superior to others. When the curtain was removed they panicked because their false idol was exposed. If they can exonerate joe, then they can believe in their Camelot fairy tale.

Now something needs to be said about the demographics of psu fans. A higher percentage of them I would postulate are republicans, but not the good kind, but the Donald Trump "Obama is a Muslim in disguise" republican. They are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories (hence their arrogance that refs are always out to get them). Additionally they are very homogeneous and insular and I think you get the toxic mixture that you see with these fans that can't see the forest (the true victims) from the trees (the fans that saw 2 years of sanctions.)

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom]

I think that is totally an unfair statement to say that all Penn Staters would choose football over children. That is just no true.

Definitely didn't say all. But the truth is that it is many. And you should be embarrassed to even enter this conversation. No shame you nitters.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom]

Let me give you guys an analogy.

Most of you are steelers fans. You may be disgusted with big Ben paying off women and bell smoking dope and Harrison hitting his wife and Vick killing dogs. But you can ignore it because the steelers don't represent you, they are simply the team that you cheer for. You voice your displeasure when Ben had to sit games because of the commish.

I suspect that the vocal minority of psu fans that feel like the victims never went to school there. They are alums of Bloomsburg, Millersville, lock haven etc. So they view this in a prism of professional sports and someone is ruining their entertainment.

Now where the joebots and cult members come into play are those that bought the success with honor crap and felt culturally superior to others. When the curtain was removed they panicked because their false idol was exposed. If they can exonerate joe, then they can believe in their Camelot fairy tale.

Now something needs to be said about the demographics of psu fans. A higher percentage of them I would postulate are republicans, but not the good kind, but the Donald Trump "Obama is a Muslim in disguise" republican. They are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories (hence their arrogance that refs are always out to get them). Additionally they are very homogeneous and insular and I think you get the toxic mixture that you see with these fans that can't see the forest (the true victims) from the trees (the fans that saw 2 years of sanctions.)

Relax. Don't stretch your mind so far. Your useable understanding runs out quite quickly.

 

[DruidTM]

There was no rape scandal at Vanderbilt. There was a rape that occured, discovered by the school and reported to Metro Police. The guilty parties were kicked off the football team without ever playing another down and the situation played out through the justice system.

How is that a scandal?

Oh...jesus...so TD...isn't a penn state fan.......really?.....

 

[TD_6082]

Franklin admitted that he lied about his involvement. Hmmmmmm.......

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/10/08/james-franklin-vanderbilt-rape-case-penn-state-video

He lied and said he had saw a video when he in fact had not. That isn't a scandal.

Here is the most important excerpt from your linked article:

The Nashville District Attorney's Office said in May that Franklin's interaction with the alleged rape victim was not significant and that he did nothing inappropriate in the investigation.

 

[TD_6082]

This point I can somewhat agree with. However, the HC involved at the time did lie about the situation. Also at the time of his hiring, there were questions as to how much knowledge he had and whether he participated in attempting to cover it up. Yet, he was hired anyway.

Since PSU was coming off the Sandusky scandal, I think some people in the media might have wanted to make a link in an attempt to create a story. But do you really think PSU could or would make that hire if there were a shred of evidence that supported a James Franklin cover up? There were never any questions from the authorities handling the case, or from Franklin's employer. I think that's more important than those in the media looking for something for people to talk about.

 

[perchance]

Sure ........ I for one accepted the penalties and did not complain about them when they happened. Penn State University leadership did the same thing (signed the consent decree and did not sue the NCAA). Penn State got "early parole" as it is when the NCAA sanctions were rescinded early.

Just how long are we supposed to feel shame about our PAST (key word: PAST) coach and administrators? They aren't the CURRENT coach and administrators.

Life is not all about living in the past. It is also about living in the present and looking towards a hopeful and bright future.

When someone brings up the sanctions, I feel fully justified in saying: "Yes, past Penn State administrators screwed up. They were fired and the school served a penalty for their actions. The University never publicly complained about said penalty nor did they sue the NCAA. Each of the previous two sentences was the correct course of action. Now, we are at a point in history where those penalties are no longer in tact. Given that (a) that time frame is over, and (b) none of our current administrators are acting in an unhonorable way, I don't see much use about talking about those past events. Time marches on ....."

What's wrong with the above?

Of course the past should be swept under the rug, forgotten, uncreated.
Why do they require "past" sex offenders to register nationally? Why are the members of the community notified of their residence?
Why did the German people living at the time of the Holocaust bear some responsibility?
Because they enabled and supported and empowered those who committed vile crimes.
Your entire football staff, probably most of the players and a large portion of State College were aware of Sandusky's proclivities.

The past is not to be lived in but to be learned from, not forgotten.

Penn State's Administration "screwed up"? So they were only guilty of making some mistakes, nothing more, mind you: We all make mistakes.
The penalties imposed were ludicrously insufficient and even then, foreshortened.
The university did not sue because they had their lackey proxies do it for them.
Franklin's behavior in the aftermath of the Vanderbilt rapes was and is far from honorable, and the very hiring of him and another administrator from FLA St enmeshed in rape accusations against his football team's QB were a middle finger salute to the victims, their families, and decency.

And, most importantly, the rest of the nation has not conveniently forgotten, as you most fervently wish, the crimes and cover-ups at Penn State. You are pariahs and shall remain so for years to come. YOU ARE PENN STATE.

 

[TD_6082]

Dwiz, when many PSU fans read that Fina said he found no evidence of Paterno's legal guilt in a coverup, they illogically think that is a proclamation of his innocence. Of course, it's not. Many people are known to be guilty but don't get prosecuted because the evidence isn't available.
The person who knew best that Paterno Had failed was paterno. His "I should've done more" comment was how he really felt. PSU fans elated it with Schindler's comment, but it wasn't that at all. Paterno cried in shame in front of many people afterwards.

Raleighpanther, Its entirely possible that the reason Sandusky wasn't reported earlier by Paterno or others is for that exact same reason. Because they simply couldn't produce any evidence. Basically, all Paterno had was McQueary's testimony, which to my knowledge, couldn't even positively identify the name of the victim. What more could Paterno have done that would have stopped Sandusky?

I've worked at a treatment facility for children with histories of sexual abuse, and all that goes with it. Some of you may be surprised to learn that in some instances, the therapist, case worker, residential staff etc. know exactly who the abuser is, and the child is released right back into their custody without an damn thing being done to the perp.

Why? Because there is a lack of physical evidence in many cases. And in a lack of physical evidence, successful prosecution absolutely depends on the quality of the verbal evidence and effectiveness of the abused child's testimony. That isn't easy to obtain from any child, much less from a child growing up in an abusive environment. A lot of these kids simply unwilling to give up their abuser, and the details of their stories often change.

Also, keep in mind that many of these kids end up in the custody of the state by means of court order because they themselves have acted out sexually outside of the environment where their abuse took place. Although probably unfair to the child, this usually means their testimony is regarded as unreliable evidence.

As the Sandusky case relates to Paterno, I don't think there is near enough evidence to say that Paterno took place in an active cover up. And while I can see why many people, including Paterno himself, wishes he would have done more, I'm not really sure what exactly he could have done that would have stopped the abuse.

 

[ncyajleel]

Big difference here. First, it was reported on more than one occasion. Remember the janitor? Second, the abuser you are talking about in you analogy is a parent or family member. That is much harder to do, it tears families apart and it is hard to take a kid away from the parents.

Raleighpanther, Its entirely possible that the reason Sandusky wasn't reported earlier by Paterno or others is for that exact same reason. Because they simply couldn't produce any evidence. Basically, all Paterno had was McQueary's testimony, which to my knowledge, couldn't even positively identify the name of the victim. What more could Paterno have done that would have stopped Sandusky?

I've worked at a treatment facility for children with histories of sexual abuse, and all that goes with it. Some of you may be surprised to learn that in some instances, the therapist, case worker, residential staff etc. know exactly who the abuser is, and the child is released right back into their custody without an damn thing being done to the perp.

Why? Because there is a lack of physical evidence in many cases. And in a lack of physical evidence, successful prosecution absolutely depends on the quality of the verbal evidence and effectiveness of the abused child's testimony. That isn't easy to obtain from any child, much less from a child growing up in an abusive environment. A lot of these kids simply unwilling to give up their abuser, and the details of their stories often change.

Also, keep in mind that many of these kids end up in the custody of the state by means of court order because they themselves have acted out sexually outside of the environment where their abuse took place. Although probably unfair to the child, this usually means their testimony is regarded as unreliable evidence.

As the Sandusky case relates to Paterno, I don't think there is near enough evidence to say that Paterno took place in an active cover up. And while I can see why many people, including Paterno himself, wishes he would have done more, I'm not really sure what exactly he could have done that would have stopped the abuse.

 

[ratking17]

For someone that has worked with abused individuals, TD is quite vocal and immediate in his defense of psu and James franklin. In fact I really can't recall a pitt thread that TD has commented on which didn't include either james franklin boot licking or acting as a psu apologist

 

[Pitt is #1]

TD here is the thing with Sandusky the media and nobody involved in the slimey business of college football talks about. Sandusky retired with a great reputation as a DC. Many thought he would replace Joe. Yet nobody offers him a HC gig after his retirement? Not only did Paterno know....the entire college football world knew.

 

[USN_Panther]

Franklin admitted that he lied about his involvement. Hmmmmmm.......

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/10/08/james-franklin-vanderbilt-rape-case-penn-state-video

Ha ha. Franklin actually lied about lying about what he knew.

When you lie about lying, you have a very big problem.

 

[USN_Panther]

Raleighpanther, Its entirely possible that the reason Sandusky wasn't reported earlier by Paterno or others is for that exact same reason. Because they simply couldn't produce any evidence. Basically, all Paterno had was McQueary's testimony, which to my knowledge, couldn't even positively identify the name of the victim. What more could Paterno have done that would have stopped Sandusky?

I've worked at a treatment facility for children with histories of sexual abuse, and all that goes with it. Some of you may be surprised to learn that in some instances, the therapist, case worker, residential staff etc. know exactly who the abuser is, and the child is released right back into their custody without an damn thing being done to the perp.

Why? Because there is a lack of physical evidence in many cases. And in a lack of physical evidence, successful prosecution absolutely depends on the quality of the verbal evidence and effectiveness of the abused child's testimony. That isn't easy to obtain from any child, much less from a child growing up in an abusive environment. A lot of these kids simply unwilling to give up their abuser, and the details of their stories often change.

Also, keep in mind that many of these kids end up in the custody of the state by means of court order because they themselves have acted out sexually outside of the environment where their abuse took place. Although probably unfair to the child, this usually means their testimony is regarded as unreliable evidence.

As the Sandusky case relates to Paterno, I don't think there is near enough evidence to say that Paterno took place in an active cover up. And while I can see why many people, including Paterno himself, wishes he would have done more, I'm not really sure what exactly he could have done that would have stopped the abuse.

Umm, Joe could have reported the incident to an actual police department. There was no lack of evidence on Sandusky. How many charges were there? It was not Joe's job to investigate, it was his duty to report.

The lack of evidence on others is due to the quality of their cover-up efforts. They covered it up. No shite there is a lack of evidence..

 

[FreeportPanther]

Raleighpanther, Its entirely possible that the reason Sandusky wasn't reported earlier by Paterno or others is for that exact same reason. Because they simply couldn't produce any evidence. Basically, all Paterno had was McQueary's testimony, which to my knowledge, couldn't even positively identify the name of the victim. What more could Paterno have done that would have stopped Sandusky?

I've worked at a treatment facility for children with histories of sexual abuse, and all that goes with it. Some of you may be surprised to learn that in some instances, the therapist, case worker, residential staff etc. know exactly who the abuser is, and the child is released right back into their custody without an damn thing being done to the perp.

Why? Because there is a lack of physical evidence in many cases. And in a lack of physical evidence, successful prosecution absolutely depends on the quality of the verbal evidence and effectiveness of the abused child's testimony. That isn't easy to obtain from any child, much less from a child growing up in an abusive environment. A lot of these kids simply unwilling to give up their abuser, and the details of their stories often change.

Also, keep in mind that many of these kids end up in the custody of the state by means of court order because they themselves have acted out sexually outside of the environment where their abuse took place. Although probably unfair to the child, this usually means their testimony is regarded as unreliable evidence.

As the Sandusky case relates to Paterno, I don't think there is near enough evidence to say that Paterno took place in an active cover up. And while I can see why many people, including Paterno himself, wishes he would have done more, I'm not really sure what exactly he could have done that would have stopped the abuse.

LOL, So now the Almighty Saint Joe is also a master investigator? He used all his analytical and investigative skills to divine that there was no evidence against Ol Jer! The emotional statement of McCreary, along with all the smoke, were clearly just myths!
You are laughable, go peddle your cultish crap over where they appreciate and thrive on it! Yeah, Joe did everything he was obliged to do, except reporting it to actual police!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

For someone that has worked with abused individuals, TD is quite vocal and immediate in his defense of psu and James franklin. In fact I really can't recall a pitt thread that TD has commented on which didn't include either james franklin boot licking or acting as a psu apologist

It's pretty apparent.

 

[ncyajleel]

Actually I have been thinking maybe I was wrong when I said penn state fans are not victims. In actuality they ARE victims. But not of the scandal or the media or anything like that. Ironically they are victims of paterno. He fed them all those lies and that bs he preached all those years. He convinced them, had them believing in his words. They listened to him talk the talk. And when it came down to him walking the walk, he thought only of himself, his legacy, and the precious football program he built. So they are victims in a sense, but they are lashing out at the wrong people.

It's kind of like when you are so in love with someone that you see no flaws in them. You are blind to all their bad traits. And they can tell you anything they want and you would believe it. Then they turn around and stab you in the back, but you are so in love with them that you cannot even fault them. You look for fault elsewhere, in yourself or others, because that person was so perfect in your eyes that they could do no wrong.

 

[ratking17]

Actually I have been thinking maybe I was wrong when I said penn state fans are not victims. I actuality they ARE victims. But not of the scandal or the media or anything like that. Ironically they are victims of paterno. He fed them all those lies and that bs he preached all those years. He convinced them, had them believing in his words. They listened to him talk the talk. And when it came down to him walking the walk, he thought only of himself, his legacy, and the precious football program he built. So they are victims in a sense, but they are lashing out at the wrong people.

It's kind of like when you are so in love with someone that you see no flaws in them. You are blind to all their bad traits. And they can tell you anything they want and you would believe it. Then they turn around and stab you in the back, but you are so in love with them that you cannot even fault them. You look for fault elsewhere, in yourself or others, because that person was so perfect in your eyes that they could do no wrong.

Outstanding analogy

 

[TD_6082]

ncyajeel, You are correct about it not parent or family member. However, I think Sandusky's role in the Second Mile program makes his case equally difficult for a variety of reasons.

The people that were in a position to protect the children the most are the one's most responsible. If there were rumors & everybody in town truly had heard about what was happening, then who is granting Sandusky private access to these kids and approving these off campus visits? You have state case workers and therapists privy to loads of information that nobody else had.

I'm not saying Paterno couldn't have done more. However, to make him the central figure that could have stopped the abuse is absurd. The amount of attention given squarely to his position as PSU head coach and his so called legacy as it relates to this case is representative of a cultural problem of the entire country.

People want to know how this affects Joe, his legacy, the football program, violations, recruiting etc. They dont focus on the victims, the kids left behind at Second Mile or their new placement, or how to better reform the system. We really only care about this story as it relates to their football program. That is what sells. A story simply about some sexually abused children doesn't.

 

[TD_6082]

I'm not a Penn Stater so I can't speak for them. But I wouldn't buy the success with honor crap or whatever BS Paterno sold.

If I were a PSU fan, I would only care that he built a football program, won some championships, and won a boatload of ball games. The other stuff is very tragic and sad, and it should be dealt with all guilty parties punished accordingly, but it doesn't need to get in the way of enjoying football on Saturday afternoons.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom]

Actually I have been thinking maybe I was wrong when I said penn state fans are not victims. In actuality they ARE victims. But not of the scandal or the media or anything like that. Ironically they are victims of paterno. He fed them all those lies and that bs he preached all those years. He convinced them, had them believing in his words. They listened to him talk the talk. And when it came down to him walking the walk, he thought only of himself, his legacy, and the precious football program he built. So they are victims in a sense, but they are lashing out at the wrong people.

It's kind of like when you are so in love with someone that you see no flaws in them. You are blind to all their bad traits. And they can tell you anything they want and you would believe it. Then they turn around and stab you in the back, but you are so in love with them that you cannot even fault them. You look for fault elsewhere, in yourself or others, because that person was so perfect in your eyes that they could do no wrong.

This is a worthy point. They have been raised on garbage. You probably can't just cleanse them with the truth.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom]

I'm not a Penn Stater so I can't speak for them. But I wouldn't buy the success with honor crap or whatever BS Paterno sold.

If I were a PSU fan, I would only care that he built a football program, won some championships, and won a boatload of ball games. The other stuff is very tragic and sad, and it should be dealt with all guilty parties punished accordingly, but it doesn't need to get in the way of enjoying football on Saturday afternoons.

Then you are exactly like a Penn State fan.

 

[ncyajleel]

TD, I'm not disputing what you are saying. Nor am I trying to be disrespectful. I think you, along with the penn state fans, are missing the point of why they are so hated by everyone.

Forget what happened there, the scandal and all of that. The problem people have with them is their collective arrogance. I had mentioned the movie "Something for Joey", which was a good movie. I liked it as I'm sure many other Pitt fans did. But after that movie and what transpired there in relation to it, they began to feel there was some divine providence existing in happy valley. The "success with honor" and "grand experiment" stuff was swallowed whole by the penn staters and then was crammed down the throat of others like us. Most of the intelligent people from both fan bases didn't buy into it, though sadly, most did. Especially after the whole Guman thing did some suspect it was a lie. As I said, I've thought since the 70's that paterno was a fake. His personality, everything was fake. Those outside of the penn state bubble just got sick of hearing about it because the staters would tell you how great they were every chance they got.

Fast forward all these years and it finally comes out that they are and were no different than any other school or fan base. In fact, they were worse. Did you read the SI article a few years back about it? Or the ESPN show that was aired about how out of control the football players were? Now, in the wake of all of this tragedy, they have not toned down at all. The Freeh Report mentioned the "penn state culture." It needed to be changed. That is obviously the school, but it is also the people up there that are not affiliated with the school and also the fan base. Can you honestly tell me they have changed at all? They are even more obnoxious! They know they got away with it and they throw it in everyone's faces, but yet they use the sanctions for an excuse any time they are not living up to those standards they have set in their minds. The school has done what they were supposed to do, but that fan base has not. How many times have you heard "We're back!" They act like their football team and school suffered a tragedy equivalent to what Marshall had to go through back in the early 70's. THEY are victims, and why? Because they had to suffer those horrible sanctions. How many times have you heard from them "it isn't fair because these kids weren't around when this happened so why should they be punished?" Isn't that the case for EVERY school that gets sanctioned? Was Terelle Pryor there when the Ohio State had to suffer? Was Reggie Bush around when USC had to suffer. The only school who truly suffered was SMU when they got the death penalty which ironically is what PoSU should have gotten, or something close. They act like they are above any type of punishment. "OSU and USC deserved it, but we're penn state. Success with honor."

THESE are the issues everyone has with them. Not just Pitt fans, but EVERYONE! I have said it 100 times, quit talking and show some humility and in time, people will forget. But as a group, they just can't do it. They can show all that pride, but none of them can feel any type of remorse or shame for their school over what happened.

WE ARE....!!!

ncyajeel, You are correct about it not parent or family member. However, I think Sandusky's role in the Second Mile program makes his case equally difficult for a variety of reasons.

The people that were in a position to protect the children the most are the one's most responsible. If there were rumors & everybody in town truly had heard about what was happening, then who is granting Sandusky private access to these kids and approving these off campus visits? You have state case workers and therapists privy to loads of information that nobody else had.

I'm not saying Paterno couldn't have done more. However, to make him the central figure that could have stopped the abuse is absurd. The amount of attention given squarely to his position as PSU head coach and his so called legacy as it relates to this case is representative of a cultural problem of the entire country.

People want to know how this affects Joe, his legacy, the football program, violations, recruiting etc. They dont focus on the victims, the kids left behind at Second Mile or their new placement, or how to better reform the system. We really only care about this story as it relates to their football program. That is what sells. A story simply about some sexually abused children doesn't.

 

[Pittx9]

I do agree that the Second Mile workers have to be held accountable. I don't think Paterno is most to blame, but when it comes down to it, Sandusky is either at the Penn State facilities or not there because of Joe. If he didn't like something at PSU, someone was going to make sure it was changed.
The "Success With Honor Thing" was always something that I didn't really buy, but at the same time the kids at PSU did stand well academically when you consider other schools even back in the 80's were running what many considered "dirty" programs.
The only thing that bothered me though, was while yes it's nice to have a team with good kids that represent the school well, Paterno himself didn't really follow the standards he had for his kids. One thing that never gets brought up is for the longest time, Penn State basically had one of their own as one of the officials at home games.
So yes, Paterno kept the players in line, but he found other ways to make sure Penn State would compete at a high level.
That being said, it's game day. We could talk about this all day, but I'm ready for Iowa. H2P!!!

 

[FanOfConstantSorrow]

Are they the luckiest team in college? They have the worst scandal in the history of college sports and survive with recruits not caring. They play one of the easiest schedules in the country and now their new "big" rival loses players and head coach to their own scandal.

I don't see them as particularly lucky.
They are essentially laughingstocks outside the borders of the Keystone State and still widely ridiculed.

 

[pitt-girl]

He lied and said he had saw a video when he in fact had not. That isn't a scandal.

Here is the most important excerpt from your linked article:

The Nashville District Attorney's Office said in May that Franklin's interaction with the alleged rape victim was not significant and that he did nothing inappropriate in the investigation.

So as someone else mentioned, he lied about lying? Why? There was no reason for him to have lied in the first place.

 

[ncyajleel]

The heck you say! Everybody loves them!! How dare you!!!

I don't see them as particularly lucky.
They are essentially laughingstocks outside the borders of the Keystone State and still widely ridiculed.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Umm, Joe could have reported the incident to an actual police department. There was no lack of evidence on Sandusky. How many charges were there? It was not Joe's job to investigate, it was his duty to report.

The lack of evidence on others is due to the quality of their cover-up efforts. They covered it up. No shite there is a lack of evidence..

This is exactly it: the person who reports it is not the person who does the investigation. When McQueary reported what he saw, that was much more than was needed to launch a full-scale investigation - by law enforcement professionals, certainly not Joseph V. Paterno.

 

[Nashville Lion]

There was no rape scandal at Vanderbilt. There was a rape that occured, discovered by the school and reported to Metro Police. The guilty parties were kicked off the football team without ever playing another down and the situation played out through the justice system.

How is that a scandal?

I do agree that the Second Mile workers have to be held accountable. I don't think Paterno is most to blame, but when it comes down to it, Sandusky is either at the Penn State facilities or not there because of Joe. If he didn't like something at PSU, someone was going to make sure it was changed.
The "Success With Honor Thing" was always something that I didn't really buy, but at the same time the kids at PSU did stand well academically when you consider other schools even back in the 80's were running what many considered "dirty" programs.
The only thing that bothered me though, was while yes it's nice to have a team with good kids that represent the school well, Paterno himself didn't really follow the standards he had for his kids. One thing that never gets brought up is for the longest time, Penn State basically had one of their own as one of the officials at home games.
So yes, Paterno kept the players in line, but he found other ways to make sure Penn State would compete at a high level.
That being said, it's game day. We could talk about this all day, but I'm ready for Iowa. H2P!!!

Joe objected to Sandusky still being around. That has been very much in the open and an actual handwritten document of such was actually in the Freeh report. It was common knowledge that Joe did not care much for sandusky near the end of his career. There was no reason for him to protect Sandusky. If you want to know who allowed for Sandusky to remain in facilities at PSU...it was none other than provost Rod Erickson...who because President when Spanier was retired. Notice that Erickson wanted all blame put squarely on the shoulders of Joe but it is the provost who makes the decision of who is granted emeritus status and thus has access to the school facilities.

 

[Nashville Lion]

This is exactly it: the person who reports it is not the person who does the investigation. When McQueary reported what he saw, that was much more than was needed to launch a full-scale investigation - by law enforcement professionals, certainly not Joseph V. Paterno.

McQueary and his father should have gone directly to the police. He should never have gone to Paterno in the first place. I never understood that move by a grown ass man. If McQueary saw a boy being hurt...he should have kicked Sandusky's ass. McQueary was 28 at the time and was a big man. McQueary is at least 6'3" tall and weighs 230 pounds or more.

 

[Nashville Lion]

So as someone else mentioned, he lied about lying? Why? There was no reason for him to have lied in the first place.

The reason JF said that he said he saw the video is so that his team would realize the seriousness of the situation. That was well documented in the Nashville media.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Joe objected to Sandusky still being around. That has been very much in the open and an actual handwritten document of such was actually in the Freeh report. It was common knowledge that Joe did not care much for sandusky near the end of his career. There was no reason for him to protect Sandusky. If you want to know who allowed for Sandusky to remain in facilities at PSU...it was none other than provost Rod Erickson...who because President when Spanier was retired. Notice that Erickson wanted all blame put squarely on the shoulders of Joe but it is the provost who makes the decision of who is granted emeritus status and thus has access to the school facilities.

What bull$hit! If Holy Joe was so incensed about sandusky hanging around, but was overruled by "higher ups", all he had to do was go around them to the proper authorities. Quite simple actually as stated before...Joe: "Hey Curley, what ever happened with that Sandusky shower thing I told you about, I haven't seen or heard anything about it?" Then when Curley tells him nothing, a truly Holy Joe goes over his head and to the cops to protect kids! But we know what happened, Joe's email put the Kibosh to the admins plan of confronting Jerry. The coverup begins......and the rest is history! At least to every rational thinking person outside of Centre County not infected by the cult!

 

[pitt-girl]

Joe objected to Sandusky still being around. That has been very much in the open and an actual handwritten document of such was actually in the Freeh report. It was common knowledge that Joe did not care much for sandusky near the end of his career. There was no reason for him to protect Sandusky. If you want to know who allowed for Sandusky to remain in facilities at PSU...it was none other than provost Rod Erickson...who because President when Spanier was retired. Notice that Erickson wanted all blame put squarely on the shoulders of Joe but it is the provost who makes the decision of who is granted emeritus status and thus has access to the school facilities.

The argument to be made is that Paterno knew Sandusky was still on PSU property with young boys. Knowing what he had heard straight from McQueary (as he testified to the GJ, "it was something of a sexual nature") that alone should have been reason enough to insist he be thrown out. Joe was THE most powerful figure at PSU. He had the ability to restrict Sandusky from all PSU property, let alone follow up why nothing came of the McQueary incident. Why he didn't is a mystery and will always cloud his legacy.

 

[ncyajleel]

This is what I don't understand. You won't give McQueary a pass on this, but you give paterno one? Yes, McQueary was wrong, but SO WAS PATERNO. I hear this conversation all the time. You all blame McQueary, but you will not put the same blame on paterno. If McQueary walks into a building, no one cares much. Paterno walks into a building and people react. McQueary should have gone to the police. Paterno should have gone to the police after McQueary told him. The three stooges should have gone to the police. But no, paterno waits an entire weekend because he didn't want to bother anyone on their days off. Then someone named "Joe", could have been anyone because everyone on campus is apparently named Joe, told them to wait because they wanted to be humane.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

McQueary and his father should have gone directly to the police. He should never have gone to Paterno in the first place. I never understood that move by a grown ass man. If McQueary saw a boy being hurt...he should have kicked Sandusky's ass. McQueary was 28 at the time and was a big man. McQueary is at least 6'3" tall and weighs 230 pounds or more.

 

[pitt-girl]

The reason JF said that he said he saw the video is so that his team would realize the seriousness of the situation. That was well documented in the Nashville media.

That really makes no sense when you think about it. He lied to make it appear more serious? Then he at least initially lied about lying, right?

 

[ncyajleel]

Is it possible joe didn't like jerry because he knew what he was doing?

McQueary and his father should have gone directly to the police. He should never have gone to Paterno in the first place. I never understood that move by a grown ass man. If McQueary saw a boy being hurt...he should have kicked Sandusky's ass. McQueary was 28 at the time and was a big man. McQueary is at least 6'3" tall and weighs 230 pounds or more.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Put this thread to rest…..there is no rationalizing with joebots

 

[ncyajleel]

Color is a beautiful thing
I know, I know
Color is a beautiful thing
I know, oh yes, I know
Color is the E Ching Ching
For sure, ding-dang
Color is a beautiful thing, I know

 

[ncyajleel]

IIIIIIII KNOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

 

[ncyajleel]

Thank you very much!