But Ben still delivered big, a bad season for Ben was like 22 TDs and 3700 yards with Canada as a 40-year-old. That would seem miraculous for KP, those are monster numbers to KP.
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That’s total bullshit. You don’t have the number of fourth quarter winning drives by not flashing anything
The point I was making is top notch Qbs are far and few between. There maybe 5 in the league
The Jury is out on KP. Hes had some flashes and shown some promise but at the same time the issues of bailing too soon he had in college before his senior year continue to be a problem limiting his ceiling
Ben was an experience HOFer. No one is saying KP is even close to having Ben’s talent especially at this stage. I think he could lead a team to a superbowl but the jury is still out on that. But the point is if the system limited Ben an experience HOF qb it surely has a big impact on a younger inexperienced less talented qb
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I've only been to one game this year, but as you can see on the link, you don't have to attend to see what Kenny misses.
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I've only been to one game this year, but as you can see on the link, you don't have to attend to see what Kenny misses.
ben put up video game numbers the 2nd half of his career, no issues with the OC under him IMO until Canada.. AB in pittsburgh in a 6 year span had over 9,000 yards receiving, 120+ catches a season, ben was throwing for over 4k year in and year out, was consistently in top 3 for highest yards per attempt. Bell was putting up huge numbers, again, no complaints at all with our OC under Ben in the last 7-8 year of his career..
the Jury is out on KP, agree. not looking good after 2 years but he deserves one more chance to make it work here in year 3, at least compete for the job.
he was 18-20 in freezing rain. yes, very conservative play calling but deservedly so. is that coming back down to earth? PItt fans would be erecting a statue for Kenny if he went 18-20 with a 150 QB rating.. you guys talk about how great it is when kenny does it but when mason does, it's "coming back down to earth?"
christ almighty, the double standard on here is ridiculous. you are making me side with pitt79, you know how that makes me feel?
Ben was an HOFer who had some great weapons And yes with Canada and the loss of AB his performance suffered. As I said before been a numbers were awful through theee quarters when Canada was calling the plays. When he went hurry up magically his arm was better and his stats greatly improved.
To a lesser extent when the game is on the line in the fourth quarter and they have to throw out the Canada playbook KP has more often than not delivered. Now that’s not proof that he’s the long term solution but it is proof that he has some ability to be a championship qb. (Note don’t confuse that with a Great qb )
Y’all act as if KP hasn’t done anything to merit further consideration If that were the case why not just dump him now and cut your losses.
None of them would do any better on this offense. Each has far more talent around them and have struggled
dude i literally agree with 95% of what you and FK are saying, we arent really disagreeing that much.
i just think you guys kind of have a double standard with Mason and Kenny, that's all. i think sub-consciously, many steeler fans on here kinda want Mason to fail, to make KP look better. it's human nature i guess.
No one says it, everyone says "they dont care who is qb, they want everyone to do well" but then a second later, kind of poo poo a 18 - 20 performance in a january rain storm when they'd be singing the praises if #8 did it.
But we pretty much all agree that we are all looking forward to Kenny coming back next year under a new OC and hopefully a better OL (aka, without Dan Moore).
That's such a small sliver of the game at large, and it requires our defense to have us in a position so that Kenny Pickett's 16 points will be enough to win the game. It's just not a formula I want to rely on.
I'm fine with giving him another half season in a new system, but I'm just not impressed as of now. 24 starts, and the stats are there for everyone to see.
He could have been doing it the whole time, the weak ass, play scared Steelers Way, limited him for years. For his career he averaged 23 TDs and 12 INTs, I don't mind the INTs, I think he would have less TDs if his goal was less INTs
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One went 75 yards on a bad angle by a back up Safey. Take that away and he’s 17 for 19 and 75 yards. Dink and dunk
Again let’s talk after Saturday. If Rudy plays well I’ll admit he’s been the catalyst. If he stinks out the joint will you be able ti admit that his “great play” was mostly due to poor defenses ?
Speaking of double standards you guys are the ones daimissing KPs play against Cinci the week after Canada was fired but are ball washing Rudy for similar stats against the same team.
And again no one is claiming that Kps play has been great. Thats a red herring you guys throw out there
i've debunked your nonsense with this topic a million times, you refuse to accept reality..He could have been doing it the whole time, the weak ass, play scared Steelers Way, limited him for years. For his career he averaged 23 TDs and 12 INTs, I don't mind the INTs, I think he would have less TDs if his goal was less INTs
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i said good day..
I totally disagree, they'd all do minimum DOUBLE what Kenny has produced, with the same offense and with Canada too.
Back to the original question, would you take them ahead of Kenny if you could?
lol, ok, throw out the last 3 games and lets just use the bills game as our only source of data for him.
Funny that when Kenny played and won against bad teams with backup qbs, you guys were fine using that to support him.. i went thru his wins last year and how bad those teams were and often times, using back up qbs. no one ever used that against kenny though.
again, double standard. hey, you dont want mason to outshine kenny, i get it. just admit it. it's fine, i dont get why you guys hide from it.
Its beyond hilarious how you guys are criticizing Mason "dinking and dunking" when that is the epitome of Kenny's career here. 106 yards passing against cleveland, 126 yards against green bay, 160 yards against the titans, 114 yards against houston, but it's ok, it's Kenny, it's not his fault..
lol objective. KP stinks and the only reason the Steelers offense has performed better is because of the great Rudy
Rudolph did way better against Cincy, MR34-KP16, TWO TD passes, IN THE SAME GAME! Kenny's done that once in 24 games.
No none of them is a clear upgrade. What did Tua do before he had a legit wr in a far more qb friendly offense. hurts before they had brown and smith? And what as Lawrence actually done ?
All the other players are the same, Rudolph is the only change. He's not great at all, I still think he sucks, but FACT IS he's outperformed Kenny.
So Tua, Hurts and Lawrence aren't an upgrade over KP? what are you smoking with your blue- and gold-colored glasses on? ALL 3 are a clear upgrade.
Whose hiding. You keep distorting what I say to fit your narrative
The great Rudy couldnt beat out the duck yet his amazing play is what made Seattle fear his passing prowess and give up huge yards in the run game. Let’s competlely ignore the fact that Seattle’s run D is the worst in the league
it’s ok. I’ll man up and admit I was wrong if Rudy continues to play welll. Sounds like you’ll make up some excuse if Rudy bombs on Saturday to support the flawed argument that the improvement in the offense the last two weeks(it was back to the mean against the ravens JV team) was soley due to the great Rudy
Yea seattles defense which really is the only game that stands out had nothing to do with the great Rudy having a great game
Not a news flash, the point was you don't have to be at the game to find out he's missing wide open receivers consistently. Sorry, I didn't think I needed to make the point so obvious.
oh my lord you are impossible. now we are bringing up the great rudy losing out to the duck lol..
great objectivity there, you definitely are rooting for mason.
sticking with your logic, the great kenny couldnt beat out Mason who got beat out by Duck. what's that say about Kenny??
you are just as bad as Pitt79.. enjoy sitting around on sunday passively aggressively rooting for Mason to suck so it will make you feel better about kenny, sounds like you wont be alone with many on here going to be doing the same..
you will never admit it. lets face it, if he looks good then it will be because of some other reason and you'll make another excuse and then we'll have to see how he does in the 2nd rd of the playoffs to truly judge Mason..
at the same time, kenny was so good for beating juggernauts like the colts and raiders last year with 13-10 and 16-10 wins where he put up 175 yards passing..
please, just admit it, you want Mason to fail. you are frustrated that he is doing well i get it, it's no big deal. i'll be honest, i truly wanted Mitch to suck. Die hard steeler fan but i absolutely, without hesitation, wanted him to suck. there is nothing wrong with it, you want Kenny to be the starter and for that to happen, mason has to fail.
admit this without fear and you will feel sooo much better.
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I’m a man of my word. if Mason Plays well then I’ll admit that he clearly was the catalyst for the offense. No excuses. I have no skin in the game I’ve said that like Rudy and started a thread on what a stand up guy he is
Every argument I’ve made is factually supported
1. After Oh Canada was canned KPs performance was as good as Rudy’s who had the benefit of the back up OCs further tweaking the offense for two weeks
2. Rudy’s passing has nothing to do with the great run game against Seattle. They stink period
3. Rudy’s performance against the ravens JV team was more of the norm for the Steelers offense
As a result the game this week will tell the tale. If Rudy does well then it’s clear he is the driving force. If he stinks well I’ve been right You’re afraid to commit to the later because I’m guessing you know deep down that the resurgent offense has been fools gold
So what’s you’re excuse going to be if we see bad Rudy this weekend ?
^ I give you guys credit for being so committed to the debate over which one is hotter.
Offensive production is way down overall though. The top season this year was 4,600 passing yards and 35 touchdowns (different players). That was the 3rd best QB season last year and not even top 5 in 2021.
Defenses are playing 2-high and forcing everything underneath. The moon ball from CJ Stroud last weekend was awesome because it was a throwback to 10 years ago. We rarely see that kind of super deep stuff over the middle anymore. Defenses just won't let you do it.
Prime Ben probably wouldn't have gotten 4,200 yards this year. And late career Ben probably would have looked like Gardiner Minshew and done about 3,500.
You are hopeless man. Like I said, just admit that it is Kenny or bust with you.
If you can’t see Mason has played better than Kenny, then it’s not worth even arguing.
Enjoy rooting against Mason on Sunday.
Id be lying if I said I wasnt somewhat biased or at least rooting for KP. But at the same time I would be happy if Rudy played well as I think hes a good dude as well.
I also have some concerns about KP as they relate to pocket presence. That spin move to his left drives me nuts. But at the same time I dont think a crappy QB without potential has as many clutch fourth quarter comebacks late in games as he has.
and I agree our opinions are not that far apart. I admit Rudy has played well. The difference being I think a lot of it has to do with the competition and the elimination of canada where as you dont No biggie
it's funny, you and i are saying 98% the same thing yet we are arguing. lol, it's weird.
I listen to this side and i get mad at Kenny and tear him down then i read one of Pitt79's 800 million posts bashing Kenny and i stick up for Kenny.
My quick summation. I am looking forward to seeing kenny play under a real OC next year. i truly dont think Mason would be ideal as our starting qb next year, i really dont. i think he would be a below avg starting qb and Kenny has the higher ceiling.
I truly do like Mason as a legit #2, a guy who can win you some games if needed. Which he has done. pissed that Tomlin didnt see it til it was almost too late.
regardless, i think we both agree and both are KP fans. truly hoping and praying he figures it out next year.
@pittbb80 and then i read crap like this and just go completely on the Pro-Kenny side.
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