The thing is, we don't really have a "national playoff system" in place and never have. It's a television contract.
REPORT: The SEC & Big Ten are looking to each have 4 automatic bids to the playoff when the next contract begins in 2026, per @CFBHeather
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Yes, they want that. And even that will not satisfy them.
What’s the vibe currently with UNC fans? Confidence in getting snagged by one of the Big 2? Hoping the ACC stays status quo or close?
The MAC is already playing games at the same level as the Big 10 and SEC teams. Now, whether you want to accept that or not is totally up to you. Since they are all FBS levels programs, they ALL should be treated equally when it comes time to fill up a playoff bracket.
Sadly, I do agree with your point. This is all in the hands of ESPN and the like. Their only concern is MONEY and it is that GREED that is ruining the sport of college football.
this could be the most ridiculous post i've ever read. I cant tell if you are serious or not..
tell me it's sarcasm?
All big time sports, not just the college football playoff, are reality TV shows.
Have been for a long time. Unlikely to change any time in the next several decades.
Kent State has played the 14th toughest schedule. PSU is 64. Pitt is 101. Indiana is 106. Pitt and IU have the 2 worst SOS's for P4s and that really surprises me for Pitt. Pitt's is skewed heavily having played perhaps the worst FBS team ever. Back to Kent State, lets say they beat Pitt, PSU, and Tennessee and maybe go 11-2 with a loss in the MAC Championship. Their schedule will drop from #14 but it would still be a good schedule on paper. An 11-2 record with a SOS in the 30s should put you right there for an at-large.
You are certainly entitled to express your opinion as I did. I say YES and you say no, cool.
F 'em, I really wouldn't care, I'd just concentrate on whatever league Pitt is in like I do now, I haven't watched an SEC or B1G game yet this year.
Joe...Please tell me why my perspective on this subject is sad? I'd love to hear why you feel that way. May I add, some 30 years ago or so, there was a NCAA Men's BB team named Gonzaga. To the power conferences at the time, the West Coast Conference was a joke and the Zags were part of that conference. The power conferences were soon to find out that the team they laughed at became a national basketball powerhouse. Using your logic, Gonzaga should never have been invited to that NCAA Tournament because they came from a mid-major conference and they would get trounced by schools from the power conferences. They were wrong.
Can a team like Army, Tulane or Liberty win 3 or 4 games in a row against schools like Oregon, Georgia, Texas, etc..., probably not. That being said, if they win their conference, they deserve a spot in the playoffs just like any P5 conference.
You never know who will become the next "Gonzaga" in FBS college football.
Comparing football to basketball is like comparing apples to oranges, basketball one player or hot shooting can carry a team. Also, Gonzaga invested in basketball which very few G5 teams can do, MAC football budgets are closer to the Missouri Valley than even the smallest P5 team, and revenue sharing is going to make the gap even bigger.
Because you appear to honestly think that the MAC and the Sun Belt play football on the same level as the P4 conferences. And it's sad when someone looks at any situation and completely misunderstands it like that.
I mean the NCAA has even allowed the former P5, current P4, to make their own rules on certain things. Because they are not, in fact, playing at the same level. Even the NCAA recognizes that those schools don't play on the same level. But for some reason, you can't.
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Yeah, it seems pretty obvious, but I guess not.
And of course one of the things that set Gonzaga apart was that they were so willing to spend so much more money than everyone else in their conference spent on the sport. Ohio isn't going to start spending like Ohio State in football. UT-El Paso is not going to start spending like UT-Austin in football. Louisiana Tech isn't going to start spending like Louisiana State in football.
I disagree. The sport of college is football is changing very rapidly. With all schools the now having the ability to literally buy new players via the transfer portal into their program and being able to offer the top high school recruits with NIL deals, it is a whole new ball game. Take Liberty University as an example. All they need to do is to be able to get a Liberty alumni, say Jerry Falwell, Jr. to donate a couple of million to the school his dad founded. That money can then handed out via a couple of NIL deals to top players looking to transfer and Liberty University can suddenly become a Top 20 program.
Joe...They already ARE playing at the same level. I do believe that it is you who are completely misunderstanding the situation. The two conferences you mentioned, MAC and Sun Belt are considered NCAA D-I FBS level football programs just as the P4 conferences are. Are the teams "equal in on field talent", obviously not, but that is irrelevant.
You are buy into the nonsense that the P4 schools want you to believe. They feel that because they have what is perceived to be the better teams, that they should be treated differently then the other schools at that level, That is BS. That is one of the reasons that the P4 conferences have become so bloated with the number of teams they have let join their conferences. The SEC and Big 10 are now saying that they should each get 4 guaranteed spots when the next contract comes around, why??? Another huge problem is ND. Why are they treated differently then every other school? They are given the same amount of power as the SEC and Big 10. That is asinine.
If you are competing at the same level (and they ALL are) then they should all be given the same opportunity to participate in a national championship playoff.
What you completely fail to understand is that the NCAA has different rules for the P4 conferences than they do for the G5 conferences. They, in fact, are NOT playing at the same level. Not only do the schools recognize that, the NCAA does as well.
The fact that you want to pretend that big time college football is the same now as it was 25 years ago doesn't mean that it is, it means that you have your head buried firmly in the sand.
And in any event, the NCAA does not run the college football playoff. What the NCAA may want or may not want has nothing at all to do with what actually happens. If the NCAA somehow tried to mandate equal treatment in the playoff for all conferences the people who actually run the playoff would laugh at them. But of course the NCAA will never do any such thing, because there is nothing that would bring an end to the NCAA faster than the NCAA trying to tell the big time college football schools how they have to run college football.
Joe...Which one is it? Is the NCAA in charge of the sport of college football or not? If they are, as I do believe they are, they need to establish some clear rules if the sport is to continue to exist. ALL teams competing at the highest classification need to be treated equally. If not, why even play the regular season games? The entire season can be completed in a matter of 4-6 weeks depending upon how many teams from the SEC and Big 10 conferences want to participate.
Just form a committee and allow them to select who they want involved.
The NCAA is NOT in charge of college football. The NCAA has given the P4 schools the ability to make their own rules. And the NCAA does not run the college football playoff.
So the real problem here appears to be that you have no idea how college football in 2024 actually works. Which is odd, because it's not like it just changed this season.
Joe...We are going no where with this. I'll end this discussion by offering you the following...
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)governs the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) of college football. The NCAA is a nonprofit organization that regulates student athletics for around 1,100 schools in the United States and Canada.
The FBS is the highest level of competition for college football in the NCAA, and is also known as NCAA Division I. The FBS is made up of 134 schools, all of which have varsity football teams.
Now, I am completely aware that the NCAA doesn't sanction the actual playoffs, BUT they should. It involves the 134 schools that they govern, so they should be involved in establishing the format used and the number of teams that qualify.
They have literally NEVER had anything to do with the college football post season. The day that they tell the schools that they are taking over the playoff is the day that the schools tell the NCAA that they are no longer needed. And the NCAA knows it, which is why the NCAA never has and never will attempt to run the college football playoff.
And once again, the NCAA has essentially given over responsibility for college football at the P4 level back to the schools. They allow those schools, and explicitly NOT the G5 schools, to make their own rules if/when they want.
We are going no where with this because you continue to see college football the way that you wish it was, and I look at it the way that it actually is.
See, that's the problem. You don't seem to understand the difference between opinion and fact. You keep talking about your opinion of how you wish college football was. I keep talking about the facts about how college football actually is.
Those two aren't actually the same thing.
clemson losing hurts the ACC with getting two into the playoffs. I know SMU runs table and loses in championship, they could still be an option but clemson was higher ranked and if the same thing happened, they'd have been much more likely to still make the playoffs..
im not sure i care too much to be honest though. we should be rooting for acc but tough to care too much anymore..
im not sure i care too much to be honest though. we should be rooting for acc but tough to care too much anymore..
